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Posted: 10/7/2007 5:22:10 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/7/2007 5:25:20 PM EST by njitmetal]
Hello All,
I am a new member here at AR15.com. I live in the lovely state of NJ (seriously, I love it here, except for the silly gun laws). I would eventually like to get a black rifle for myself. I am however confused as to what is actually legal for me to own in NJ. Can anyone help a noob out and clarify? Maybe even post some links.
I.E. If i buy this:
Kit

and This stripped lower:

Lower

Is that a legal thing for me to own in NJ? sorry if this sounds silly but for cryin out loud I can't even legally own an M1 Carbine!!!

Also, would those links be a good route to go as far as getting a quality rifle goes?
Thanks for the help.

Link Posted: 10/7/2007 5:36:20 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/7/2007 5:42:04 PM EST by njJoniGuy]
Welcome to the Peoples Republik of Noo Joisey, fellow subject!

The stripped lower is good for PRNJ, but that kit is a no-go.
You need one in post-ban configuration (no bayonet lug, no flash hider (muzzle brake is ok but it must be permanently (pin and weld) attached) and the stock must be non-adjustable.
Other than those minor details...

As far as not being able to have an M1Carbine, you can thank Jim Florio for that one. I guess because it is responsible for killing so many Germans, Japanese and North Koreans during its service days and the fact that it's so easily concealable (if you're 7'4" and slide it down your pants leg) makes it an evil weapon that no upstanding citizen subject should own.

btw, you should check out arms-n-ammo before you buy anywhere else. PK90 is a trusted member here in this forum.
Link Posted: 10/7/2007 9:33:50 PM EST
I suggest you stick with the ABCDs, Armalite, Bushmaster, Colt(If you can find one) or DPMS. Rock river is OK. Bullethole in Belleville has several(All NJ legal). Just remember twist rates. A 1 and 7 (1:7) twist rate needs a hearvier grain bulltet. So 55FMJ is no good. You will find all the answers you need on this sight.


Me personally have two bushmasters with 1:9 twist rates.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 2:23:48 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/8/2007 2:25:01 AM EST by WhyTanFox]

Originally Posted By twogun:
A 1 and 7 (1:7) twist rate needs a hearvier grain bulltet.

Strike that; reverse it.

A heavier (actually, longer) bullet requires a faster rifling twist -- such as 1 turn in 7 inches -- but the reverse is not true: while 1:7 is near-optimal for the 62gr USGI M855, it will also work just fine with 55gr M193. It may be too fast of a twist for the lighter varmint rounds (35-45 gr), but the most common ammo you will likely see will be at least 55gr.

-WhyTanFox
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 2:55:42 AM EST
Welcome to ARFCOM! Talon Arms fixed me up with a NJ legal post ban upper. I believe they are an ARFCOM authorized dealer. You can have a complete upper mailed directly to you, no FFL necessary. You can get a receiver from a local gun dealer like PK90. Good luck with your first. It won't be your last! Doc
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 6:59:55 AM EST
Thanks for the info folks. I'm sure there have been extensive bayonettings here in NJ. lol.

i'll look out for parts with those features. now if I went to a range with a gun like you guys described and a cop came and saw it he would say, "nice gun" and not "you're under arrest", right? haha.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 7:19:45 AM EST
ok, another question. are all the stocks that LOOK like the A4 stock adjustable? are there any that have the look of that but not the adjustability so that it is legal but looks sweet? no, looks aren't everything, but i do dig that look quite a bit. Thanks. these black rifles are more confusing than my M1. That's for sure.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 7:28:36 AM EST

Originally Posted By njitmetal:
ok, another question. are all the stocks that LOOK like the A4 stock adjustable? are there any that have the look of that but not the adjustability so that it is legal but looks sweet? no, looks aren't everything, but i do dig that look quite a bit. Thanks. these black rifles are more confusing than my M1. That's for sure.


There are fixed-length CAR stocks. They are generally factory pinned in the full open position. For some guys (and girls) that's just too long. One thing you can do is have your friendly dealer bring in an adjustable length CAR stock for you, custom fit it to you, and permanently pin it at that length before selling it to you. All totally legal in New Jermany.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 8:48:21 AM EST
thanks for the info. time to start browsing and familiarizing myself with parts!
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 11:17:11 AM EST
Bullet Hole is waaaay over priced. Okay to window shop, but I'd buy else where.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 12:59:32 PM EST

Originally Posted By njitmetal:
ok, another question. are all the stocks that LOOK like the A4 stock adjustable? are there any that have the look of that but not the adjustability so that it is legal but looks sweet? no, looks aren't everything, but i do dig that look quite a bit. Thanks. these black rifles are more confusing than my M1. That's for sure.


Check the EE here for a fixed M4 type stock. I see them now and again . What part of the State are you in?
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 3:32:18 PM EST
i'm in Northern NJ. Bergen county more specifically.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 3:42:07 PM EST

Originally Posted By njitmetal:
i'm in Northern NJ. Bergen county more specifically.


No. Haledon - Bates Paterson Rod and Gun, ask for Dave.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 5:06:20 PM EST
I stand corrected.
Link Posted: 10/9/2007 9:29:06 AM EST
Bergen huh...You can try Ramsey Outdoor located on Rte. 17 south...in Ramsey. They are a little pricey but do have a decent selection of AR types.

Meltzers in Garfield might have a few AR's in, they used to be very anti-black rifle but have soften their stance a bit...following the money trail. I asked about a AR10T a number of years ago and you would have thought the words, kiddie porn came out of my mouth with the reaction I got.
Link Posted: 10/9/2007 10:47:01 AM EST
lol, WOJO, thats a funny way to put it.
I have never bought a gun from them but Ramsey Outdoor always did strike me as expensive.

Link Posted: 10/9/2007 10:58:15 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/9/2007 10:58:57 AM EST by Wojo]
Are you a degreed tin-knocker from NJIT? I used to go to Rutgers Newark and my wife's grandfather used to teach metal / machinist skills over at NJIT.

On the Ramsey thing, they also have locations in Paramus and Ledgewood, but the original is in Ramsey. I wasn't trying to be goofy with the location. Paramus' gun selection is smaller then the Ramsey locale...the one by my office in Ledgewood is pretty good. As of late all their stores have been slacking on powder and reloading supplies. I gave the general manager my thoughts on the change and then bought all the Varget they sent out west.
Link Posted: 10/9/2007 11:05:30 AM EST


Caso's in Jersey City had two NJ Legal Bushmasters with pinned M4 Stocks last weekend.


FYI

Please be advised that I am very friendly with Frank Caso the owner of the store.



Hope it helps,

Iggyort
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 1:25:15 AM EST

Originally Posted By Lion_Dog:

Originally Posted By njitmetal:
i'm in Northern NJ. Bergen county more specifically.


No. Haledon - Bates Paterson Rod and Gun, ask for Dave.

Try Ricochet in Monvale, If you know what you want. Jim runs a home based business, older gentleman with a great sense of humor and great stories (ex-marine). You will go in for 30 minutes and end up staying for 4 hours (a good thing). I always enjoy going there and learning. He also has good prices.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 4:59:05 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/10/2007 5:03:08 AM EST by njitmetal]
i was checking out the NRA's site to see if i can make sense of some of the laws...

it says that a conspicuous pistol grip is also an "evil" feature. doesn't every AR have that?

ETA: also, it says it has to have a 15 round fixed magazine? how do you reload if it is fixed in place? one at a time through the action? maybe i'm just a dummy but this AR stuff is confusing to a noob. It would help me immensely if I could get my hands on one and actually see this stuff in practice...
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 5:23:59 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/10/2007 5:27:05 AM EST by Wojo]
Don't feel bad, most of the local LEO can't follow the gun laws either. We are lucky enough to have this forum where there is a wealth of knowledge and people will chime in.

You might want to consider joining the Association of NJ Rifle and Pistol Clubs. Most people refer to it as the Cherry Ridge Range. Good group of people and a better group of watch dogs to keep our 2nd Amendment rights. If you're gonna get an AR you'll need someplace nearby to shoot it.

Link Posted: 10/10/2007 7:01:17 AM EST
yeah, i do intend to someday join Cherry Ridge Range.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 7:34:24 AM EST
say, wojo, where are you at in the state? what town?
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 8:58:23 AM EST

Originally Posted By njitmetal:
i was checking out the NRA's site to see if i can make sense of some of the laws...

it says that a conspicuous pistol grip is also an "evil" feature. doesn't every AR have that?

ETA: also, it says it has to have a 15 round fixed magazine? how do you reload if it is fixed in place? one at a time through the action? maybe i'm just a dummy but this AR stuff is confusing to a noob. It would help me immensely if I could get my hands on one and actually see this stuff in practice...


All AR's have a "conspicuous pistol grip". It protrudes from the lower receiver.

Fixed mag means it has to be "permanently altered" to hold no more than 15 rounds. Most take that to mean the body of the mag. can't hold more than 15 rounds. There are no clear guidelines as to what "PERMANENTLY ALTERED" means however.

Below are a pic of two of mine.


Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:11:29 AM EST
IM sent.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 12:20:03 PM EST
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Originally Posted By LUGERMAN:
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Originally Posted By njitmetal:
i was checking out the NRA's site to see if i can make sense of some of the laws...

it says that a conspicuous pistol grip is also an "evil" feature. doesn't every AR have that?

ETA: also, it says it has to have a 15 round fixed magazine? how do you reload if it is fixed in place? one at a time through the action? maybe i'm just a dummy but this AR stuff is confusing to a noob. It would help me immensely if I could get my hands on one and actually see this stuff in practice...


All AR's have a "conspicuous pistol grip". It protrudes from the lower receiver.

Fixed mag means it has to be "permanently altered" to hold no more than 15 rounds. Most take that to mean the body of the mag. can't hold more than 15 rounds. There are no clear guidelines as to what "PERMANENTLY ALTERED" means however.

Below are a pic of two of mine.

www.huntingpictures.net/photo/006457


OK, that top one has the general config that I like, save for the forward hand grip piece. I would rather just a plain hand guard. Thanks for the pic. did you just grind off the bayo lug?

so fixed mag doesn't mean that the magazine is fixed in the rifle itself? thats what i took it to mean (versus being detachable). so if I just buy a 15round mag I'm good to go? thanks everyone! This site is amazing!
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 2:27:08 PM EST
Yes, you can just grind of the stud on the bayonet lug. Bushmaster factory 10 round mag is what is in the picture.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 10:29:06 AM EST
IIRC you are allowed a pistol grip, but none of the following, No telescoping stock, no bayonnet lug, no flasher supressor, no magazines that hold over 15 rounds. I think you are allowed 2 evils but the detachable magazine and the pistol grip eats that up.
Good luck to you. PS Cherry Ridge is nice and basically the only place around to shoot.
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