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Posted: 9/7/2017 9:27:23 PM EDT
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my fear is that all a convention will get us is socialism hard coded into the Constitution and gun rights explicitly denied
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Posted: 9/7/2017 9:51:24 PM EDT
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my fear is that all a convention will get us is socialism hard coded into the Constitution and gun rights explicitly denied |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 6:22:17 AM EDT
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Like the SAFE Act? lol People also forget that the state constitution is subservient to the U.S. Constitution. They can put an anti-Second Amendment in the state constitution but if SCOTUS finally releases a strong pro-Second Amendment ruling, a state constitutional prohibition would be null and void. |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 7:40:37 AM EDT
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LOL People also forget that the state constitution is subservient to the U.S. Constitution. They can put an anti-Second Amendment in the state constitution but if SCOTUS finally releases a strong pro-Second Amendment ruling, a state constitutional prohibition would be null and void. |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 12:43:56 PM EDT
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3 delegates are selected from each of the 63 state senate districts (32D to 31R) and 15 elected statewide (likely all D). If someone has time they can overlay the state senate district with 2016 election results to get an idea of the type of delegates that may be send and possible breakdown.
http://www.nypirg.org/goodgov/concon/con_con_merged_final.pdf |
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Posted: 9/10/2017 2:20:59 AM EDT
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Nothing good can come of a con con. You guys think we are magically going to get gun rights here? Why circle the drain? |
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Posted: 9/10/2017 2:22:30 AM EDT
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my fear is that all a convention will get us is socialism hard coded into the Constitution and gun rights explicitly denied NOW IS THE TIME |
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Posted: 9/10/2017 8:43:14 AM EDT
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It's too late in our decline to work. I fear an armed revolution and civil war is in our future.
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Posted: 9/11/2017 12:43:53 AM EDT
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Republicans run the table now. It's now or never. We have socialism now and it's outside the scope of constitutional framework yet the judiciary goes along with it. NOW IS THE TIME |
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Posted: 9/11/2017 1:21:15 AM EDT
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3 delegates are selected from each of the 63 state senate districts (32D to 31R) and 15 elected statewide (likely all D). If someone has time they can overlay the state senate district with 2016 election results to get an idea of the type of delegates that may be send and possible breakdown. http://www.nypirg.org/goodgov/concon/con_con_merged_final.pdf |
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Posted: 9/11/2017 10:44:25 AM EDT
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I fear an armed revolution and civil war is in our future. |
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Posted: 9/11/2017 11:00:59 AM EDT
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Given that all but 3 or 4 counties upstate passed anti safe act resolutions it seems like a pro 2a result has a decent chance. From a 2a perspective things can't get much worse. If Cuomo tries to raid the pension funds maybe that will be enough to finally get rid of him at the ballot box. Using a con con to "finish us off" is silly at the state level, they don't need it and as long as the scotus refuses to hear 2a cases they have nothing to worry about. |
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Posted: 9/15/2017 2:04:40 PM EDT
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I think a lot of that would hinge on supporters of any amendments actually getting out to vote yes on them if they made it to the ballot. Gun owners couldn't even get out and vote against Cuomo in the last election, I don't hold much more hope for them getting out to vote on an amendment. But I don't disagree that there is potential. That's why I don't understand why the state gun groups haven't been more involved with a plan. I haven't heard anything official from NYSRPA or SCOPE. |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 10:13:00 AM EDT
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and who's to say they don't make a non-vote on an amendment a yes, just like they are doing to actually hold the con con??? |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 2:38:48 PM EDT
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This doesn't make any sense. Are you saying that every voter who doesn't vote is being counted as a yes? It is expected that many will either miss the ballot question or decide it's too complex and just desiring the status quo, not enter a vote. So in that sense, a non-vote favors the yes crowd. |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 5:40:12 PM EDT
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It's not quite true, but a reduction on the number of supporters necessary to make it pass. For example, let's say there are 100 voters, 26 vote "yes," 24 vote "no," and 50 don't vote... that means the measure passes even though only 26% of the population are actually in support of "yes." It is expected that many will either miss the ballot question or decide it's too complex and just desiring the status quo, not enter a vote. So in that sense, a non-vote favors the yes crowd. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This doesn't make any sense. Are you saying that every voter who doesn't vote is being counted as a yes? It is expected that many will either miss the ballot question or decide it's too complex and just desiring the status quo, not enter a vote. So in that sense, a non-vote favors the yes crowd. ETA: before I get flogged I vote conservative. |
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Posted: 9/21/2017 9:46:47 AM EDT
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It's not quite true, but a reduction on the number of supporters necessary to make it pass. For example, let's say there are 100 voters, 26 vote "yes," 24 vote "no," and 50 don't vote... that means the measure passes even though only 26% of the population are actually in support of "yes." It is expected that many will either miss the ballot question or decide it's too complex and just desiring the status quo, not enter a vote. So in that sense, a non-vote favors the yes crowd.  ) and have also heard on an AM Radio show that if for example 35 vote "yes", 40 vote "no", and the remaining 25 do not vote for or against but instead leave it blank, that those 25 are counted as a "yes" bringing the official tally to 60 "yes" vs. 40 "no"...if voters stay home and abstain completely nothing is then counted
As you said, it's expected that many people will miss it (since they are apparently planning on putting the question on the back of the ballot) I am by no means an expert in the subject, just parroting back what I have read and heard...I still don't know how this can possibly be legal, but as I said I'm hearing it from more than one source and people I talk to are hearing the same... |
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Posted: 9/21/2017 10:09:12 AM EDT
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this is not my understanding at all, I have read in various places online (if it's on the internet it must be true ) and have also heard on an AM Radio show that if for example 35 vote "yes", 40 vote "no", and the remaining 25 do not vote for or against but instead leave it blank, that those 25 are counted as a "yes" bringing the official tally to 60 "yes" vs. 40 "no"...if voters stay home and abstain completely nothing is then counted
As you said, it's expected that many people will miss it (since they are apparently planning on putting the question on the back of the ballot) I am by no means an expert in the subject, just parroting back what I have read and heard...I still don't know how this can possibly be legal, but as I said I'm hearing it from more than one source and people I talk to are hearing the same... |
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Posted: 9/21/2017 12:43:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThe state government is soooooooooo concerned about doing things legally.
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Posted: 9/21/2017 3:57:51 PM EDT
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Quote Historyvery nice, thank you very much...it's comforting to see an actual law quoted while speaking about the ConCon...
and just for the record, FaceBook was not one of my sources, haha... ARFCOM is as close to social media as I get, aside from following various newsfeeds on Twitter |
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Posted: 9/21/2017 7:28:57 PM EDT
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I'm seeing a lot of public union employees freaking out over this & telling everyone to vote no - so I'm thinking the correct vote is yes...
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Posted: 9/22/2017 6:19:06 AM EDT
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I'm seeing a lot of public union employees freaking out over this & telling everyone to vote no - so I'm thinking the correct vote is yes... 
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Posted: 9/23/2017 3:16:46 AM EDT
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I am standing by my earlier statement on the matter. If Cumhole wants it, it can't be good for taxpaying New Yorkers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm seeing a lot of public union employees freaking out over this & telling everyone to vote no - so I'm thinking the correct vote is yes... |
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Posted: 9/23/2017 9:19:43 AM EDT
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I have been beating the drum on the pension issue for along time along with the stability of the state finances.
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Posted: 9/24/2017 4:49:21 PM EDT
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I'm seeing a lot of public union employees freaking out over this & telling everyone to vote no - so I'm thinking the correct vote is yes... Anything the unions are vehemently opposed is exceedingly likely to be better for taxpayers.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/26/2017 11:31:30 AM EDT
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This. Anything the unions are vehemently opposed is exceedingly likely to be better for taxpayers.https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/176224/Union-cartoon1-316090.JPG |
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Posted: 9/26/2017 8:33:57 PM EDT
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But that changes when Coumo is in the equation. So.... given the choice, I'm siding AGAINST Coumo, as we all should. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This. Anything the unions are vehemently opposed is exceedingly likely to be better for taxpayers.https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/176224/Union-cartoon1-316090.JPG |
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Posted: 9/26/2017 8:47:51 PM EDT
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If Prince Andy (aka Cumhole)
Wants this, somehow someway we (NY Gun enthusiasts) are going to get Fucked, Guaranteed! |
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Posted: 9/26/2017 9:53:18 PM EDT
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If Prince Andy (aka Cumhole) Wants this, somehow someway we (NY Gun enthusiasts) are going to get Fucked, Guaranteed! |
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Posted: 10/1/2017 6:35:08 AM EDT
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NYSRPA is saying to vote no. |
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Posted: 10/1/2017 12:49:16 PM EDT
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Let's put it this way, Cuomo wants every blank vote to count as a yes... THAT is how bad he wants this. Anything he wants that badly cannot be good for us! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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NYSRPA is saying to vote no. |
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Posted: 10/3/2017 8:30:41 PM EDT
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Cuomo wants it, that's all I need to know.
NO |
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Posted: 10/3/2017 10:15:05 PM EDT
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Generally speaking a non vore is just that, but it lowers the number of "yes" votes required to get it done. If oit of 100 ballots, 25 say "yes", 24 vote "no", and 51 don't vote, the measure passes. |
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Posted: 10/6/2017 7:03:02 AM EDT
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I went to one of the sessions on the Con con and came away thinking NO! The last one they had in the late 60's was a cluster **** and this one would be infinatley worse I'm afraid because politicians can double dip as a representitive!
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Posted: 10/15/2017 4:36:56 PM EDT
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I believe the Teamster vote is the source of the failure to vote = yes vote rumors. Different animal:
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/retired-new-york-teamsters-pension-payouts-shrink-30-article-1.3494073 |
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Posted: 10/18/2017 7:00:40 AM EDT
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Cuomo wants it, that's all I need to know. NO Como announces support for it, = The right will vote against it Start talking about Public Employees Pensions = The Unions will vote against it Wonder if it's not all fear mongering to prevent measures that could affect real change, such as term limits, and recall provisions. |
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Posted: 10/18/2017 11:16:09 AM EDT
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I wonder if that's not half the ploy. Como announces support for it, = The right will vote against it Start talking about Public Employees Pensions = The Unions will vote against it Wonder if it's not all fear mongering to prevent measures that could affect real change, such as term limits, and recall provisions. |
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Posted: 10/18/2017 11:42:20 AM EDT
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Makes sense. In all reality, how much worse could it be? Maybe upstate would have a voice and become more autonomous. |
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Posted: 10/18/2017 9:30:10 PM EDT
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I'm tempted to vote "Yes" because of all the "Vote No" stickers and signs I see and it's like the fucking liberals are telling me how to think again. Then again, Herr Cuomo says vote yes, so what do I do? Probably vote yes, just because there will never be positive change in this state otherwise, and even if things get worse, maybe it will hasten the circling of the drain until enough people get fed up and leave. Let's face it, the ONLY way this state will ever improve is if NYC is cut off from the rest of the state. It's an incredible longshot but what else are you going to do.
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Posted: 10/19/2017 8:54:46 AM EDT
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I'm tempted to vote "Yes" because of all the "Vote No" stickers and signs I see and it's like the fucking liberals are telling me how to think again. Then again, Herr Cuomo says vote yes, so what do I do? Probably vote yes, just because there will never be positive change in this state otherwise, and even if things get worse, maybe it will hasten the circling of the drain until enough people get fed up and leave. Let's face it, the ONLY way this state will ever improve is if NYC is cut off from the rest of the state. It's an incredible longshot but what else are you going to do. |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 11:49:21 AM EDT
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I'm tempted to vote "Yes" because of all the "Vote No" stickers and signs I see and it's like the fucking liberals are telling me how to think again. Then again, Herr Cuomo says vote yes, so what do I do? Probably vote yes, just because there will never be positive change in this state otherwise, and even if things get worse, maybe it will hasten the circling of the drain until enough people get fed up and leave. Let's face it, the ONLY way this state will ever improve is if NYC is cut off from the rest of the state. It's an incredible longshot but what else are you going to do. NOTHING GOOD can come of this. NOTHING. As to the rest of your post, I respectfully suggest that thought process is akin to cutting off your own dick as a birth control measure. |
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Posted: 11/4/2017 7:10:09 PM EDT
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I'm voting yes. As noted, the ones opposing so far give me hope it is a good thing. Regardless, no matter what they come up with, the people still have to vote on the work product. If they create an unpalatable set of changes they can be voted down. |
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Posted: 11/4/2017 9:02:49 PM EDT
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Bingo, lets burn this mother down... Pensions for convicted criminals and pederasts, and Albany corruption... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm voting yes. As noted, the ones opposing so far give me hope it is a good thing. Regardless, no matter what they come up with, the people still have to vote on the work product. If they create an unpalatable set of changes they can be voted down. |
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Posted: 11/5/2017 9:46:59 AM EDT
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I pay enough taxes. State and Fed already get 40% of my fucking check. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm voting yes. As noted, the ones opposing so far give me hope it is a good thing. Regardless, no matter what they come up with, the people still have to vote on the work product. If they create an unpalatable set of changes they can be voted down. On a side note dont worry under the current gop tax plan you'll pay more... As you know, residents of states with income taxes are going to take it in the ass under the current Republican plan.... And they will exoand the deficit because they are good small government conservatives. |
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Posted: 11/5/2017 10:08:56 AM EDT
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Whatever propositions were to come from a convention still have to get put on the ballot and approved by the voters. |
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Posted: 11/5/2017 6:10:38 PM EDT
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The New York voters. The same ones who voted for Hilary and keep putting people like Prince Andy and Schumer in office? Those voters? |
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Posted: 11/5/2017 8:24:48 PM EDT
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I'm seeing a lot of public union employees freaking out over this & telling everyone to vote no - so I'm thinking the correct vote is yes... |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 12:47:35 PM EDT
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I wonder if that's not half the ploy. Como announces support for it, = The right will vote against it Start talking about Public Employees Pensions = The Unions will vote against it Wonder if it's not all fear mongering to prevent measures that could affect real change, such as term limits, and recall provisions. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cuomo wants it, that's all I need to know. NO Como announces support for it, = The right will vote against it Start talking about Public Employees Pensions = The Unions will vote against it Wonder if it's not all fear mongering to prevent measures that could affect real change, such as term limits, and recall provisions. |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 12:48:11 PM EDT
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I'm tempted to vote "Yes" because of all the "Vote No" stickers and signs I see and it's like the fucking liberals are telling me how to think again. Then again, Herr Cuomo says vote yes, so what do I do? Probably vote yes, just because there will never be positive change in this state otherwise, and even if things get worse, maybe it will hasten the circling of the drain until enough people get fed up and leave. Let's face it, the ONLY way this state will ever improve is if NYC is cut off from the rest of the state. It's an incredible longshot but what else are you going to do. |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 7:32:26 PM EDT
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consider the pension fund is opened up like a piggy bank,, like cuomo has been jerking off over. raids the pension fund, then taxes get jacked even higher to cover the liability. smart move idiots.
ontop of that.. that huge sum of money starts rolling through liberal hands, they will be giving out free fucking everything to every scumbag in the state. free herion, meth clinics on every corner... every stupid, unimaginable social service program just got funded for DECADES. and think of the new shit they'll think of to spend that cash on... un real. while fireman and police, guys who worked for their pensions get fucked. (understandably, the majority of you guys, this is nightly wet dream for you) - the pension system is solvent and sustainable. police and fire is overfunded at this point, due to proper money handling by a somewhat competent comptroller, and newly installed tiers that require increased member contributions to help shave the cost. this is just 1 single dot on the scope of what they could royally fuck up in this thing is opened up. with the unmeasurable amount of corruption within this states political machine, i couldn't imagine a con con working out in ANYONES favor, let alone blue collar and/or gun owners. |
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