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Posted: 9/26/2005 8:46:00 PM EDT
Like a SOB!!!
  So, here are my options: (1) not go to LCR shoots, (2) wear ear protection the whole time at the next LCR , or (3) talk you guys into having some consideration as to when the range goes hot and tannerite goes hot .
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Posted: 9/26/2005 8:47:32 PM EDT
[#1]
I think I agree with the last one.... |
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Posted: 9/26/2005 8:48:08 PM EDT
[#2]
I wonder if electronic muffs would work with your hearing aid?
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Posted: 9/26/2005 8:49:38 PM EDT
[#3]
No. My hearing loss is too severe. I've tried them. |
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Posted: 9/26/2005 8:54:01 PM EDT
[#4]
My ears ring pretty bad all the time so I pretty much wear plugs whenever someone is shooting. The smallest bit of gunfire makes my ears REALLY ring now. I won't even shoot a 22 without plugs anymore.
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Posted: 9/26/2005 8:59:46 PM EDT
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Both hearing aid and muffs at the same time, or just muffs? I suppose muffs wouldn't get a good seal around the hearing aid though. |
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Posted: 9/26/2005 9:00:03 PM EDT
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Hey RS, not to change the subject, but a question...
One of my best friends is deaf, and wears hearing aids just for some sound, but they are not really anygood for anything...anyway, I fly Radio Control planes and he wants me to teach him to fly them. The prob is He is going to have to learn to tune the engine and to do that he has to be able to hear it, and also be able to hear it in the sky when it over rev's so he can throttle it down. I have never said anything about it and just keep telling him I will and never get around to it. I think I can Maybe get by with a digital Tachometer but with these little 2-stroke's that is not very reliable. any ideas?...or should I just let him fly planes that only have electric motors?.... Other prob is, I have to be able to talk to him when he is learning to fly them and I dont want him to watch my lips when he should be watching the plane, but I think I may have that prob taken care of with a buddy cord so I can take control from him... 
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Posted: 9/26/2005 9:01:00 PM EDT
[#7]
Here's an IM I was going to send 1GR, but I decided to post it here instead.
Hey 1GR, you know how you were talking about having a no shoot shoot get together? What if we made the shoots more enjoyable by having an hour on hour off range hot and cold? I feel this is as much a social gathering as it is a shoot. I'm not looking for rules, but common courtesy among friends. I have other shooting friends that don't come to the shoots, and we respect each other's ear protection. and we kind of plan how we're gonna do things. I don't see why an LCR should be any different. I feel it would just make it more enjoyable for everybody, except maybe a couple of renegades that wanna shoot whenever the fuck they want to. ETA: IM sent to R-32 so not to hijack my thread.
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Posted: 9/26/2005 9:04:33 PM EDT
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I was talking in the tent and removed my plug to hear what someone said, just as they let off a 5 gallon bottle. My ear rang for weeks. Not fun. Won't happen again.
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Posted: 9/26/2005 9:07:10 PM EDT
[#9]
SEE!!!! Now you all know why I dont come to these thing's!!!
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Posted: 9/26/2005 9:09:46 PM EDT
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Tinnitus is bad, mm'kay? Anyway, I don't what to say for Coyote's problem. I don't really know how his hearing is in each ear, and I seem to recall him wearing a plug in the non-hearing-aid ear everytime I happened to notice (of course, I could have simply only noticed when he had them, and didn't notice when he didn't). |
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Posted: 9/26/2005 9:18:29 PM EDT
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My only problem is the range would be called cold, and not be noticably called hot...
so the muffs would come off and not have time to go back on... especially when someone was a good shot and actually hit the tannarite first time out. 
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Posted: 9/26/2005 9:19:18 PM EDT
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#1. Um .....No #2. Um .....No #3. Sounds like a plan. What would you like to see? Let's explore it more. |
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Posted: 9/26/2005 9:23:32 PM EDT
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Hearing loss is not something to dick around with. How about a blowing a whistle or sounding an air horn when the range goes hot? |
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Posted: 9/26/2005 9:26:34 PM EDT
[#14]
Who the F are you?...You sound like Dr Ruth... 
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Posted: 9/26/2005 9:27:49 PM EDT
[#15]
Great idea FK!
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Posted: 9/26/2005 9:28:09 PM EDT
[#16]
That would be the logical solution. One blast for a stop. Two blasts for a restart...3 blasts on a horn for hot. I know it sounds like we are being affected by carbinemonoxide poisoning (  ) but hearing protection is a serious topic.
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Posted: 9/26/2005 9:30:18 PM EDT
[#17]
You know we could of used you on Saturday night. 
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Posted: 9/26/2005 9:31:04 PM EDT
[#18]
Gibby's my friend. 
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Posted: 9/26/2005 9:32:09 PM EDT
[#19]
 
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Posted: 9/26/2005 9:33:14 PM EDT
[#20]
These are on the shopping list. I just need to collect more pennies.
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Posted: 9/26/2005 9:49:01 PM EDT
[#21]
Keep talking.
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Posted: 9/26/2005 9:51:05 PM EDT
[#22]
Sorry, I'll try to miss more often 
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Posted: 9/26/2005 10:07:18 PM EDT
[#23]
If you meant Saturday night when Cav & Coyote were bump-firing and went cold long enough for me to place a one liter bottle of Tannerite about 75 yards out then hit it one shot, one kill thanks to Hillary. . . my bad. Another idea could be to move tent / camper city towards where ASG and I had our set-up, because it wasn't too loud that way. Actually, living in such close proximity to the firing line doesn't seem to be a great idea from several safety stand-points. Food for thought from a newly-minted LCRookie. (0nly NASCAR fans will understand the signifigance of yellow) |
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Posted: 9/26/2005 10:09:25 PM EDT
[#24]
I really think 14 hrs of straight shooting is rediculous. I would like to see some organized competitions and structured shooting. Hell I might even shoot then.
The unknown blasts and booms get annoying. The on again off again idea with a horn signalling range status is a good idea. |
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Posted: 9/26/2005 11:19:29 PM EDT
[#25]
For the I.V.'s or the CO poisoning?
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Posted: 9/27/2005 4:31:32 AM EDT
[#26]
+ all 3 |
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Posted: 9/27/2005 6:07:29 AM EDT
[#27]
 Wasnt it you that said, "We need to have a shoot with no shooting", or something like that? We all know you dont care for the shooting, you bitch about it at every shoot, but then go turn music up sky high no matter how many people ask you to turn that off. If you want to have a campout with no shooting, fine, organize one. A shitpile of people come to these to shoot. A lot of us cant shoot where we live, and the catalyst to coming to this is the ability to shoot. To park your rig right by the firing line and then want restrictions is like moving in next to an airport and then bitching about the planes. Rediculous. Tannerite warning? I can see that. Someone bring an airhorn. Problem solved. I think the campers that want farther away from the shooting line can camp further down in the back. In fact I think if we reverse that way we setup camp, with the firepit and general hangout area down in back, cars in the middle, and firing range where it is, it would further seperate the shooting from the socialization, and might be a very good thing. I did notice the range going cold being well called, but not so for range hot. This was done multiple times throughout the weekend and is not a good thing.
+1 I think this last shoot was the best ever, and I really doubt if any future ones can be as good. I really dont care which way this goes, as I really have no future attendance plans at this time. I dont think cancelling or restricting shooting is a good thing though, and can only help to disenfranchise shooters who attend, to shoot. There are forces from all sides at work. The last one was the original shoot all grown up. Once it passes through puberty, it will never be the same again. |
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Posted: 9/27/2005 6:24:38 AM EDT
[#28]
yes and yes |
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Posted: 9/27/2005 6:42:23 AM EDT
[#29]
Whatcha talkin about Willis?
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Posted: 9/27/2005 7:35:12 AM EDT
[#30]
Hey Cav, I know for sure that 1GR meant his no-shoot-shoot purely in humor. He, and some of us others, also have the lucky priveledge of shooting at easier and more frequent oppportunities, so some differences of opinion/perspective will most certainly arise. I know I saw some shooters at LCR who made me look like an anti-gunner, and I spend more time actually shooting my guns than almost every gun-nut I've ever met. I was astounded at the mere volume of gunfire....... doesn't mean I didn't like it though.
You, and some others have laid out some VERY feasable and likable solutions. I like the way your thinkin'. I don't share your pessimism on future shoots, and personally think we can make these things in to whatever we wish. A little organization might continue to improve their flavor, especially using some of your common sense ideas. I also see you as one of the cornerstones of these events, and I know for sure that you are one of the reasons I look forward to the next one. Hope you appreciate that. |
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Posted: 9/27/2005 8:19:56 AM EDT
[#31]
I think Cav's idea of putting the fire pit at the back and staging campers and vehicles as a sound barrier works wonders. I had my tent setup in the back and it was nice.
Thus far......Bring an Air horn and move fire pit to the back are both great ideas. For humor...move the portapotty near the firing line. 
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Posted: 9/27/2005 8:35:13 AM EDT
[#32]
That's was the big problem. I would just like people to express LOUDLY that the range was going hot.
I agree that this shoot was awesome. I would be very disappointed though if you decided not to go anymore. It seems like they keep getting better with the little bit of organization that they have. Like the institution of the tarp and all that. Most of us don't want to be burdened by restrictions, but we have all said safety is the key component to these shoots going off well. There is a thin line between fun and a major injury. I personally only shoot when there are less that five people on the line because I hate being showered with someone elses brass. I'm short so it tense to hit me in the head . But I know that so that is a personal thing, so I wait for the slow times and then I go shoot. I think the point of this thread was that next time we need to pay more attention to CALLING the range HOT, because it wasn't being done every time. |
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Posted: 9/27/2005 8:37:53 AM EDT
[#33]
You are teh ghay.
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Posted: 9/27/2005 8:39:55 AM EDT
[#34]
Park 1Nutgummers truck over the firepit, then use Tannerite on it.
Parking problem and music problem solved. |
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Posted: 9/27/2005 8:43:47 AM EDT
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Yeah what OdT said, I come to the shoots to shoot, and shoot alot with alot of peaple
 socilization is a close second. On the other hand some structure on the fireing line wouldn't be a bad thing, with called on and offs with no room left for doubt about when we're hot and when we're cold (read airhorn). CaVvet, you are one of the most forceful personalities on the board and if you don't show up tho the shoots it just won't be the same who the hell am I going to trade all me shit to? rearanging how the camp is set up with the "living area" more toward the back of the pit and move the fire ring to where we had set up the second firewood pile this time could be a good solution. maybee with the vehicles between the "living area" and the fireing line to blunt the noise. It would also make it easeyer for the ladies to get the ladies room when they are at less the full mental capacity.   .I like the unstructured feel of these shoots now. I think it promotes a more firendly and laid-back atmosphere for all who attend. kinda like a cross between a plinking fest with friends and a gunshow with a free test range. I also agree that if these things get too structured with formal shooting times and areas where the handelling of firearms is permitted w/aranged comps and the like would ruin the feel of these shoots. I can get that over here, by just going to a formal range and frankly I don't think I would attend a shoot with that kind of set-up IMHO it brings out the range nazi in everyone.  If people want to plan their own comps just for fun, then we already have the room and flexability to do that with the current set-up. With a little tweaking of how the camp is set up I think we could make it more comfotable for those who attend LCRs to shoot second and socolize first. 
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Posted: 9/27/2005 8:47:19 AM EDT
[#36]
I think guys that drive an hour + should shoot as much as you like, for some of us that is 90% of our shooting time. I do think that we could have a dedicated "cold Range" during lunch and dinner, maybe no shooting before 9am?
Once again these are ideas, or ramblings, if it get too structured it'll lose it's appeal. |
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Posted: 9/27/2005 8:53:02 AM EDT
[#37]
I thought the official tannerite wake up time is 8am! What the hell are Armed Pilot and myself going to do for a whole hour!? |
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Posted: 9/27/2005 9:03:12 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/27/2005 3:16:39 PM EDT
[#39]
Let's not miss the point here. One of your buddies (with severe hearing loss) is asking for a warning when the range is going hot or that there is going to be a tannerite blast so he can protect what precious little hearing he has left.
It doesn't sound like a lot to ask. |
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Posted: 9/27/2005 3:39:52 PM EDT
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You are correct, it is not to much to ask. Sammiches, that is alot to ask..............
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Posted: 9/27/2005 3:48:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/27/2005 4:09:42 PM EDT
[#42]
I doubt that anyone would have problems with using an air horn for range hot/cold signaling.
I know that I would not. As far as structuring the range time, well, if someone wants to set up a military style target system behind the berm and let 1Nutgummer sit back there and run the targets up and down and call the hits I would be cool with that. If you guys want to have an "actual" marksmanship contest with targets I am also cool with that. If you want to call a cold range for an hour or two for lunch time I am also cool with that. If you guys want to call an end to range ops at a certain time (like 7pm) for 1Nutgummers tea party then I am cool with that. If I drive for 3+ hours to shoot I damn well am going to shoot. |
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Posted: 9/27/2005 4:49:38 PM EDT
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You give me one of these then go on to agree with my points.  I for the life of me can't understand how (unless they are using something at the plant) you can get so much sand up there. I also can not understand how anyone would have a problem with having say 2-3 one hour cold range periods, some advance notice on blowing off tannerite, and having some competitions or meaningful structured shooting during the day . I guess when you guys stand up and say how you never get to shoot and when I do see you on the line it is running through a mag as fast as you can it makes me wonder. If that's what you want to do great. I shoot because I hunt, when I do shoot it is about something different than how fast I can run the dollars out the end of my rifle. I do enjoy bumping a mag now and again but, 14 hrs of it just makes me Some of the ideas of moving the firepit and camping back is a good idea. If it stays the way it is, you are not gonna see me jump up and take my ball home like others have done or threatened to do. I will still be there. I just hate the thought of missing one of our guys because of the pigheadedness of others. Like I said you guys keep talking about this and bringing up ideas and Cav can continue to drive the price of sandpaper due to the shortage of raw materials. |
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Posted: 9/27/2005 4:57:20 PM EDT
[#44]
Whatever you want Cherry. Just keep bringing that awesome dip  and I'll agree to almost anything you want.
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Posted: 9/27/2005 5:00:57 PM EDT
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1. We were slacking on the announcement of "Range Hot". Hearing aside, what about someone ducked down behind the berm...shouldn't they be allowed to hear it and/or say "HEY, I'm down here!" ?
2. Moving the campfire to the back behind the vehicles sounds awesome...possibly still a bit away from the camping in order to protect THEM from some of the noise from the campfire. Sounds like a fine idea to me! 3. I shoot both for accuracy and I love to bump. Sorry 1Gr, can't follow you on that one. Love to bump. 4. ok, I don't have a 4...but it sounds good to have an even number of points in a conversation/debate. |
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Posted: 9/27/2005 6:58:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/27/2005 7:27:02 PM EDT
[#47]
My good ear is still ringing, my bad one always does. I was caught, like alot of others with
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Posted: 9/27/2005 7:53:05 PM EDT
[#48]
I may have mixed my apples with my oranges, or presented it so it seemed that way. My future plans, or lack thereof, have nothing whatsoever to do with anything contained in this thread.
I think the airhorn is a As for some breaks, I really dont care. I am with Hippy, I shoot when there are few up there. Whether I am bumping, or aimed firing, I dont want to pelt someone or get pelted with brass. The long day (and night) makes it where nobody has to be on the firing line with 20 others. As for Coyotes hearing, I will willingly do whatever it takes for him not to have this problem, or do whatever it takes so he can enjoy himself. But I dont agree that 14 hours a day of shooting is rediculous, I think thats a part of what makes the shoots such a draw. |
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Posted: 9/27/2005 8:56:30 PM EDT
[#49]
Sounds like this can work out for everybody.
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Posted: 9/27/2005 9:08:38 PM EDT
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+1
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