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Posted: 8/10/2005 11:38:03 AM EDT
From the Times Dispatch today:

Note the bolded section about VA's latest idiot criminal.....

www.timesdispatch.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=RTD/MGArticle/RTD_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1031784350581

"Richmond is armed and dangerous. And we're not just talking about the bad guys.

Since March, there have been at least three fatal shootings of armed suspects by armed victims. In at least two of those cases, Richmond prosecutors say it was in self-defense.

The Richmond commonwealth's attorney's office has concluded that the martial-arts instructor who fatally shot former NFL cornerback Mike Brim during a confrontation last April in South Richmond acted in self-defense.

Prosecutors have also decided that a pizza deliveryman acted in self-defense in March when he fatally shot a teen who attempted to rob him in the Hillside Court neighborhood, also in South Richmond.

Officials said they are awaiting toxicology reports before reaching a conclusion about the fatal shooting of a 14-year-old boy. Police said the boy attempted to rob a 47-year-old man with an unloaded rifle in the East End in June.

"It does appear to us in the commonwealth's attorney's office that a lot of people are armed with weapons," said Deputy Commonwealth's Attorney Learned D. Barry, the city's top homicide prosecutor.

"And because of that, situations like these are becoming more and more prevalent."

Investigators said that Brim, 39, trailed Gary Miles to a house on Pineway Drive from his workplace at the American Karate Center on Huguenot Road on April 19.

A police investigation found that Brim, a former Virginia Union University standout who played eight seasons in the National Football League, opened fire on Miles, shooting at him several times and striking the instructor in one leg. Miles, who was also armed, returned fire, striking Brim in the torso, killing him.

"Based on the fact that the deceased followed Mr. Miles to the scene and fired at him first, we have no choice but to rule it self-defense," Barry said.

"There were multiple rounds from Mr. Brim's gun, and only one from Mr. Miles'."

Law-enforcement sources said they believe Brim's motivation for attacking Miles centered on a woman whom men both knew. The men also knew each other as their children played in the same local AAU basketball program.

In the pizza-delivery case on March 11, an investigation determined that a teenage boy approached the delivery man on the 1800 block of Southlawn Avenue with "a gun or what appeared to be a gun" with the intention to rob him, said Barry.

He said the delivery man fatally shot the teen in self-defense and then stayed at the scene and called police to tell them what had happened.

Prosecutors have not made a determination on the most recent case. On June 12, police said Rodvon Daymetric Brown, 14, attempted to rob a man sitting in a car at 24th Street and Fairmount Avenue with an unloaded .22 caliber rifle.

Brown, according to investigators, had duct-taped an ammunition clip from an assault-style rifle to the barrel of his gun to make it look more menacing. The man in the car responded by firing the .40-caliber handgun that he had in his vehicle, fatally wounding Brown.

"It is clear to us a robbery attempt was being made by an armed juvenile," Barry said. "We're waiting a little bit more for the toxicology to come back before we're sure that it's self-defense or not."

The fact that Brown's rifle was not loaded won't make a difference in the determination of whether he was shot in self-defense, according to officials.

"The victims have no clue if it is a real weapon or loaded weapon or not," Barry said. "And they have to protect themselves."


Contact Jim Nolan at (804) 649-6061 or jnolan@timesdispatch.com"


Link Posted: 8/10/2005 11:49:39 AM EDT
Very interesting - thanks for posting.

I'm a little baffled why a toxicology report would have anything to do with whether an armed robbery justifies self defense or not?! The only reason I can think of is whether or not the victim (i.e. the guy being held up) was under the influence or whether he was buying/selling drugs at the time of the shooting.

Black Fox
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 12:26:29 PM EDT
I'd bet they're wondering if he was drunk. If he had even a bit of alcohol, I imagine that it would drastically affect their decision as to whether to prosecute.

This is sort of a synopsis article of previous news stories, but it does highlight the increasing notice being paid by the local media towards civilian self defense.
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 2:28:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/10/2005 2:28:42 PM EDT by RSF45]

Originally Posted By Poodleshooter:
From the Times Dispatch today:

Note the bolded section about VA's latest idiot criminal.....

www.timesdispatch.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=RTD/MGArticle/RTD_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1031784350581

"Richmond is armed and dangerous. And we're not just talking about the bad guys.

Since March, there have been at least three fatal shootings of armed suspects by armed victims. In at least two of those cases, Richmond prosecutors say it was in self-defense.

The Richmond commonwealth's attorney's office has concluded that the martial-arts instructor who fatally shot former NFL cornerback Mike Brim during a confrontation last April in South Richmond acted in self-defense.

Prosecutors have also decided that a pizza deliveryman acted in self-defense in March when he fatally shot a teen who attempted to rob him in the Hillside Court neighborhood, also in South Richmond.

Officials said they are awaiting toxicology reports before reaching a conclusion about the fatal shooting of a 14-year-old boy. Police said the boy attempted to rob a 47-year-old man with an unloaded rifle in the East End in June.

"It does appear to us in the commonwealth's attorney's office that a lot of people are armed with weapons," said Deputy Commonwealth's Attorney Learned D. Barry, the city's top homicide prosecutor.

"And because of that, situations like these are becoming more and more prevalent."

Investigators said that Brim, 39, trailed Gary Miles to a house on Pineway Drive from his workplace at the American Karate Center on Huguenot Road on April 19.

A police investigation found that Brim, a former Virginia Union University standout who played eight seasons in the National Football League, opened fire on Miles, shooting at him several times and striking the instructor in one leg. Miles, who was also armed, returned fire, striking Brim in the torso, killing him.

"Based on the fact that the deceased followed Mr. Miles to the scene and fired at him first, we have no choice but to rule it self-defense," Barry said.

"There were multiple rounds from Mr. Brim's gun, and only one from Mr. Miles'."

Law-enforcement sources said they believe Brim's motivation for attacking Miles centered on a woman whom men both knew. The men also knew each other as their children played in the same local AAU basketball program.

In the pizza-delivery case on March 11, an investigation determined that a teenage boy approached the delivery man on the 1800 block of Southlawn Avenue with "a gun or what appeared to be a gun" with the intention to rob him, said Barry.

He said the delivery man fatally shot the teen in self-defense and then stayed at the scene and called police to tell them what had happened.

Prosecutors have not made a determination on the most recent case. On June 12, police said Rodvon Daymetric Brown, 14, attempted to rob a man sitting in a car at 24th Street and Fairmount Avenue with an unloaded .22 caliber rifle.

Brown, according to investigators, had duct-taped an ammunition clip from an assault-style rifle to the barrel of his gun to make it look more menacing. The man in the car responded by firing the .40-caliber handgun that he had in his vehicle, fatally wounding Brown.

"It is clear to us a robbery attempt was being made by an armed juvenile," Barry said. "We're waiting a little bit more for the toxicology to come back before we're sure that it's self-defense or not."

The fact that Brown's rifle was not loaded won't make a difference in the determination of whether he was shot in self-defense, according to officials.

"The victims have no clue if it is a real weapon or loaded weapon or not," Barry said. "And they have to protect themselves."


Contact Jim Nolan at (804) 649-6061 or jnolan@timesdispatch.com"





Sounds like the good people of Richmond are tired of being victimized.
Good for them.
The ONLY place for a hardened criminal is IN THE GROUND.
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 3:38:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BlackFox:
Very interesting - thanks for posting.

I'm a little baffled why a toxicology report would have anything to do with whether an armed robbery justifies self defense or not?! The only reason I can think of is whether or not the victim (i.e. the guy being held up) was under the influence or whether he was buying/selling drugs at the time of the shooting.

Black Fox



No kidding! Unless they want to charge the driver with drunk driving. Who knows, if it is an anti-gun prosecutor, you never know what kind of BS they'll throw against the wall to try and make something stick. Still, drunk or not, when a thug comes up to your car with a rifle and tries to rob you, it is a justifiable shooting.
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 4:57:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/10/2005 5:00:05 PM EDT by IceHandLuke]
Richmond is very anti-gun. Up until about two years ago they were taking away the guns of anyone using guns in self defense and holding them for up to a year as evidence in no active case. A guy would pull a gun in a hold up and the victim would gun the scum bag down and the cops would not charge the man but keep his gun anyway for up to one year. Not only that, they would scratch notes into the gun with an awl of the owners name, the date and the sn of the damn gun. It was a joke. Lived here my entire life and its getting ugly. We are in the top 3 cities per cap of high murder rate. People are killing people over shoes and change in your pocket. If you try and fix it they toss the race card. You add more cops and a drug dealer get killed by a cop after shooting a cop they want the cops out. Then a week later someone gets killed over a pair of shoes and they ask where are all the cops.
Link Posted: 8/12/2005 7:55:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/12/2005 7:56:56 AM EDT by dbrowne1]

Originally Posted By IceHandLuke:
Richmond is very anti-gun.



They will sign NFA forms, though, from what I'm told. That's better than Henrico. I lived and worked in the City for a while - never had any problems, but then again, I never had to shoot anyone either.

I suspect the reason they're waiting for tox (on the dead dumbass, not the shooter) is so the medical examiner can finalize and provide his report, which the police need to close the case out officially. The tox is merely a formality, really, because we already know the dumbass died of a .40 to the head, and he could have been high on 13 different drugs and that doesn't change anything.

What is rather annoying is some of the quotes - their choice of words almost make it sound as though there is some moral parity between idiotic teenage thugs and armed law-abiding citizens, and that these "situations" just "happen" - not that they are CAUSED by criminals. What I see here is the same sort of shit that has been going on for years in Richmond (i.e., robbing, shooting, and general thugging) but now the good guys are shooting back. Sounds good to me.
Link Posted: 8/12/2005 11:20:27 AM EDT

Originally Posted By dbrowne1:
What I see here is the same sort of shit that has been going on for years in Richmond... but now the good guys are shooting back. Sounds good to me.



I love it! Couldn't agree more.
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