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Posted: 10/30/2009 8:33:26 PM EST
http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/news/store_owner_opens_fire_inside_mall

Store Owner Opens Fire inside Mall
Published : Friday, 30 Oct 2009, 8:54 PM CDT

MESQUITE, Texas - A jewelry store owner opened fire inside a mall after someone stole a ring.

Mesquite police said the incident happened at about 4:45 p.m. Friday in the Classique Jewelry store inside Town East Mall.

The thief allegedly asked to see a ring, grabbed it and ran out the store. Police said the store owner chased him and shot at him inside JC Penney.

The thief got away.

Police said no one was hurt. But the risk the store owner took to protect his property put mall shoppers and employees in danger.

He may face charges for deadly conduct.


Link Posted: 10/31/2009 12:23:22 AM EST
Have to be careful when you pull that trigger.
Link Posted: 10/31/2009 3:35:08 AM EST
Saw that on the news last night. He will probably get a plea deal.
Link Posted: 10/31/2009 4:19:49 AM EST
I'm amazed that shootings aren't a regular occurance at that mall. It's a cesspool.
Link Posted: 10/31/2009 4:34:12 AM EST
That was just plain stupid, apparently the thief did not brandish a weapon. The store owner should not have pulled his gun.
Link Posted: 10/31/2009 4:53:48 AM EST
Originally Posted By DanParker:
I'm amazed that shootings aren't a regular occurance at that mall. It's a cesspool.


I lived there in the 80's. Sure has changed.

Link Posted: 10/31/2009 5:46:13 AM EST
I spent HOURS at that mall from 84-87. I would not go in there now. SS
Link Posted: 10/31/2009 6:18:34 AM EST
Originally Posted By prcharlie:
Originally Posted By DanParker:
I'm amazed that shootings aren't a regular occurance at that mall. It's a cesspool.


I lived there in the 80's. Sure has changed.

Hell, it's change a lot since the mid-90s. My wife used to go there all the time. Now, not a chance.
Link Posted: 10/31/2009 6:19:26 AM EST
Originally Posted By Rifleman55:
That was just plain stupid, apparently the thief did not brandish a weapon. The store owner should not have pulled his gun.


From my understanding, the POS didn't need a weapon. If the owner thought that he was gonna get away, he can use as much force as necessary to stop the BG.

Link Posted: 10/31/2009 7:01:42 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/31/2009 7:01:52 AM EST by DanParker]
Originally Posted By Fuggit:
Originally Posted By Rifleman55:
That was just plain stupid, apparently the thief did not brandish a weapon. The store owner should not have pulled his gun.

From my understanding, the POS didn't need a weapon. If the owner thought that he was gonna get away, he can use as much force as necessary to stop the BG.

I believe the point was not with regard to the legality of the action, but the wisdom of it.
Link Posted: 10/31/2009 7:18:10 AM EST
Raising Arizona anyone?
Link Posted: 10/31/2009 10:10:55 AM EST
Originally Posted By Fuggit:
Originally Posted By Rifleman55:
That was just plain stupid, apparently the thief did not brandish a weapon. The store owner should not have pulled his gun.


From my understanding, the POS didn't need a weapon. If the owner thought that he was gonna get away, he can use as much force as necessary to stop the BG.



This is true. But firing the weapon in a crowded shopping mall is a no go
Link Posted: 10/31/2009 10:18:26 AM EST
Yep that place has changed.
The whole town has....
Grew up there.
I remember in the 70s when there was nothing in the middle of the mall and you could see all the way across the middle.
Also remember in the corners where there are now escelators - used to have 3 big kid playgrounds where the kids could run and play/climb on these big METAL safari animals from elephants, hippos, lions, gorillas, etc.

I am dating myself..

Hell - I remember walking around BIG TOWN MALL back then when it was a BIG TIME MALL ................

OLD , and OUT OF MEQUITE -
Link Posted: 10/31/2009 11:25:58 AM EST
Did the bullet ricochet several dozen times?
Link Posted: 10/31/2009 11:47:22 AM EST
Originally Posted By Fuggit:
Originally Posted By Rifleman55:
That was just plain stupid, apparently the thief did not brandish a weapon. The store owner should not have pulled his gun.


From my understanding, the POS didn't need a weapon. If the owner thought that he was gonna get away, he can use as much force as necessary to stop the BG.



Not true
Link Posted: 10/31/2009 12:24:45 PM EST
Originally Posted By WMurderface:
Originally Posted By Fuggit:
Originally Posted By Rifleman55:
That was just plain stupid, apparently the thief did not brandish a weapon. The store owner should not have pulled his gun.


From my understanding, the POS didn't need a weapon. If the owner thought that he was gonna get away, he can use as much force as necessary to stop the BG.



This is true. But firing the weapon in a crowded shopping mall is a no go


No it is not. The suspect committed a theft. You can only use deadly force to prevent theft or consequences of theft at night.


Sec. 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property:

(1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and

(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:

(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or

(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property; and

(3) he reasonably believes that:

(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or

(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.
Link Posted: 10/31/2009 1:00:13 PM EST
Originally Posted By beavo451:
Originally Posted By WMurderface:
Originally Posted By Fuggit:
Originally Posted By Rifleman55:
That was just plain stupid, apparently the thief did not brandish a weapon. The store owner should not have pulled his gun.


From my understanding, the POS didn't need a weapon. If the owner thought that he was gonna get away, he can use as much force as necessary to stop the BG.



This is true. But firing the weapon in a crowded shopping mall is a no go


No it is not. The suspect committed a theft. You can only use deadly force to prevent theft or consequences of theft at night.


Sec. 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property:

(1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and

(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:

(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or

(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property; and

(3) he reasonably believes that:

(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or

(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.


Yeah, but opening fire on someone in a shopping mall for theft is about as reckless as they come. That bullet could have very easily injured or killed someone taking little Suzy to buy new shoes. There are some situations where you need to use your head and file an insurance claim for the stolen object. I guarantee you that if his round had struck someone other than the thief then he'd have MUCH bigger problems than just a stolen ring.

This guy is a moron.
Link Posted: 10/31/2009 1:02:45 PM EST
Originally Posted By DanParker:
I'm amazed that shootings aren't a regular occurance at that mall. It's a cesspool.


No it isn't either.

There are a lot of Mexicans there, but that's about it. They don't have any more crime at that mall than at any other mall in the metroplex, and it's plenty safe to shop there or walk around in the parking lot. I used to live right across the street from that mall and it is fine.
Link Posted: 10/31/2009 3:03:34 PM EST
Originally Posted By motown_steve:
Originally Posted By DanParker:
I'm amazed that shootings aren't a regular occurance at that mall. It's a cesspool.


No it isn't either.

There are a lot of Mexicans there, but that's about it. They don't have any more crime at that mall than at any other mall in the metroplex, and it's plenty safe to shop there or walk around in the parking lot. I used to live right across the street from that mall and it is fine.

Every time I've been by there the past few years there have been multiple squad cars in their reserved parking spots near the entrance. But maybe they were just shopping.
Link Posted: 10/31/2009 5:24:52 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/31/2009 5:47:04 PM EST by Intel]
Originally Posted By DanParker:

Every time I've been by there the past few years there have been multiple squad cars in their reserved parking spots near the entrance. But maybe they were just shopping.


They weren't shopping; MPD maintains a sub-station just to the right of the mall entrance.

Link Posted: 11/1/2009 8:31:47 PM EST
Originally Posted By Intel:
Originally Posted By DanParker:

Every time I've been by there the past few years there have been multiple squad cars in their reserved parking spots near the entrance. But maybe they were just shopping.


They weren't shopping; MPD maintains a sub-station just to the right of the mall entrance.



That pretty much sums it up.

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