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Posted: 4/15/2014 1:44:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/15/2014 2:23:50 PM EDT by DonKey153]
http://m.click2houston.com/news/hpd-man-choked-to-death-after-road-rage-incident-near-texas-medical-center/25492174

According to Detective Jesus Sosa with the Houston Police Department, the driver of the Nissan said, "You'll be sorry you gave me your information. I'm going to find you and kill you and your family."

Witnesses told police the driver of the Nissan pushed the older man.

"The driver of the Nissan started to assault the older driver," said Sosa. "The older driver was so badly beaten he was rushed to the hospital in serious condition,and could physically not talk to officers."

Police said while the older driver was being attacked, his son got out of the truck and tried to defend his father. Officers said there was at least a 100-pound difference between the young man and the driver of the Nissan,but in that moment, detectives say, the younger man jumped on the driver's back and put him in a choke hold.
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Good Choke.
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Originally Posted By RenegadeX:
Good Choke.
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+1
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Originally Posted By RenegadeX:
Good Choke.


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+87
Link Posted: 4/15/2014 2:59:44 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RenegadeX:
Good Choke.
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First Post Nailed It.  

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+1
Link Posted: 4/15/2014 5:05:22 PM EDT
Wow. That is some primal instinct shit right there.
Link Posted: 4/15/2014 5:08:56 PM EDT
how do they know the a threat was issued?

the person that supposedly issued the threat is dead and the person that he issued it to is in serious condition and cannot speak to the police.

maybe the son heard it?
Link Posted: 4/15/2014 5:40:19 PM EDT
Good choke
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Originally Posted By FishinTexasAg05:
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Agree
Link Posted: 4/15/2014 7:16:29 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By boywonder777:
how do they know the a threat was issued?

the person that supposedly issued the threat is dead and the person that he issued it to is in serious condition and cannot speak to the police.

maybe the son heard it?
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One would assume the son heard it or there were other witnesses.
Link Posted: 4/15/2014 7:58:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/15/2014 8:00:34 PM EDT by dcs12345]
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Originally Posted By boywonder777:
how do they know the a threat was issued?

the person that supposedly issued the threat is dead and the person that he issued it to is in serious condition and cannot speak to the police.

maybe the son heard it?
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The beating of his father justifies his actions even more than the verbal threat....  The detective also stated that the son was yelling "call 911" while he was on the attacker's back.  Sounds to me that there must have been a witness.  The event went down in a golf course parking lot, so it doesn't surprise me that someone had to be in the area.
Link Posted: 4/15/2014 8:03:39 PM EDT
That's messed up. I park in that lot quite often when I'm waiting to pick up a passenger in the Med Center....


Oh, and damn good choke.
Link Posted: 4/15/2014 8:50:49 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By dcs12345:

The beating of his father justifies his actions even more than the verbal threat....  The detective also stated that the son was yelling "call 911" while he was on the attacker's back.  Sounds to me that there must have been a witness.  The event went down in a golf course parking lot, so it doesn't surprise me that someone had to be in the area.
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Originally Posted By dcs12345:
Originally Posted By boywonder777:
how do they know the a threat was issued?

the person that supposedly issued the threat is dead and the person that he issued it to is in serious condition and cannot speak to the police.

maybe the son heard it?

The beating of his father justifies his actions even more than the verbal threat....  The detective also stated that the son was yelling "call 911" while he was on the attacker's back.  Sounds to me that there must have been a witness.  The event went down in a golf course parking lot, so it doesn't surprise me that someone had to be in the area.


that does sound like a pretty good thing to claim the other party said if you ended up in an altercation.  especially an altercation where the other party ends up dead.  

the guy who got killed would have had to say that pretty loud for others to hear.

not doubting their story, just playing devils advocate.
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how do they know the a threat was issued?



the person that supposedly issued the threat is dead and the person that he issued it to is in serious condition and cannot speak to the police.



maybe the son heard it?
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If the other guy wanted his story told, he shouldn't have gotten himself killed.



 
Link Posted: 4/15/2014 9:43:30 PM EDT
Son needs to lawyer up.



The level of force seems justified.
Link Posted: 4/16/2014 9:54:02 AM EDT
The dead guy in the Nissan left the scene of the accident.

The Dad & son followed in a Ford until Nissan pulled over to exchange insurance information as required.

Evidently Nissan guy didn't like not having gotten away with hit and run, and then threatened to come kill the Ford folks and then unleashed a beat down on the dad.

Kudos to the Son for trying to save his Dad and doing the right things (shout for help, asking bystanders to call 911, heck having bystanders / witnesses)....

Link Posted: 4/16/2014 10:09:22 AM EDT
I'm glad the son was able to prevail and save his father.  

Adding holes to bad guys requires so much less physical effort.
Link Posted: 4/16/2014 10:28:24 AM EDT
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I'm glad the son was able to prevail and save his father.  

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A rear naked choke doesn't take much effort at all.
Link Posted: 4/16/2014 10:52:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/16/2014 11:19:07 AM EDT by TheGrayMan]
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Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:


Dead man is obviously a biker (Harley decal in the center of the window).  What do you make of the other two stickers?  Anybody recognize them?





http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg286/TGrayman/DerekBrowntruck_zpsb1b668e6.jpg



ETA:  think I've found a picture of the deceased man.  I'm not going to put it up, but he's a fair-sized guy.



ETA2:  if it's the same guy, he got into a car chase with some guys who burglarized his house a few years ago.



ETA3:  Apparently, the dead man attempted to take off after hitting the other truck... something he'd done before
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Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:


Dead man is obviously a biker (Harley decal in the center of the window).  What do you make of the other two stickers?  Anybody recognize them?





http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg286/TGrayman/DerekBrowntruck_zpsb1b668e6.jpg



ETA:  think I've found a picture of the deceased man.  I'm not going to put it up, but he's a fair-sized guy.



ETA2:  if it's the same guy, he got into a car chase with some guys who burglarized his house a few years ago.



ETA3:  Apparently, the dead man attempted to take off after hitting the other truck... something he'd done before


Apparently this wasn't his first rodeo, only his last.




Brown, who leaves behind a wife and two children, spent four days in
jail and paid a fine in 2009 after being charged with failing to stop
and give information after an accident, according to records.

 
Link Posted: 4/16/2014 12:51:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/16/2014 12:55:13 PM EDT by CopM4]
To choke or not to choke. .....

Happy Ending.....
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Link Posted: 4/16/2014 5:21:01 PM EDT
It is getting to the point these days that you can't even flip a guy off in traffic without someone trying to get out and drag you out of your car. Or they pull a knife or gun on you. People need to chill out.
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Originally Posted By ARNewbieTX:
It is getting to the point these days that you can't even flip a guy off in traffic without someone trying to get out and drag you out of your car. Or they pull a knife or gun on you. People need to chill out.
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Here's a thought.  Stop flipping people off in traffic an you won't have to worry about the potential consequences.
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Originally Posted By ARNewbieTX:
It is getting to the point these days that you can't even flip a guy off in traffic without someone trying to get out and drag you out of your car. Or they pull a knife or gun on you. People need to chill out.
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Play Stupid Games, Win Stupid Prizes.
Link Posted: 4/17/2014 3:22:07 AM EDT
When I took one of my choice classes the instructor stressed NOT to initiate things, ie, flipping people off.

I admit I've done and I've also jumped out of my car over stupid crap but haven't done so lately.
Link Posted: 4/17/2014 3:39:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/17/2014 3:41:11 AM EDT by ElSupremo]
He choked him the fuck out

In aviation there is an appropriate term for this situation.....It's called "wind check"
Link Posted: 4/20/2014 6:43:38 PM EDT
Guy should have tapped out.
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Originally Posted By hkmp5s:
Guy should have tapped out.
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Link Posted: 4/20/2014 8:20:32 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RenegadeX:


Play Stupid Games, Win Stupid Prizes.
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Originally Posted By RenegadeX:
Originally Posted By ARNewbieTX:
It is getting to the point these days that you can't even flip a guy off in traffic without someone trying to get out and drag you out of your car. Or they pull a knife or gun on you. People need to chill out.


Play Stupid Games, Win Stupid Prizes.



...absolute TRUTH
....sometimes the gene pool flushes itself...
Link Posted: 4/23/2014 6:41:23 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ARNewbieTX:
It is getting to the point these days that you can't even flip a guy off in traffic without someone trying to get out and drag you out of your car. Or they pull a knife or gun on you. People need to chill out.
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Guy I worked with when I lived in California was riding to a job site with me one day. I don't remember exactly what happened but the guy flipped off the driver of another car. I asked him to not do that while he was a passenger with me and that if anybody needed to be flipped off I would do it while driving my car or truck.

About two weeks later I went into our office and there was the same guy with a black eye. I asked him wtf happened. He told me that a guy driving a concrete truck cut him off. He got back in front of the guy and flipped him off.

2-3 miles later while at a red light he saw somebody walking up to his car in the side mirror on the drivers door. As he turned to see what was going on the concrete truck driver knocked the shit out of him.

He told me he had learned his lesson.

I know csb.
Link Posted: 4/24/2014 10:07:54 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/24/2014 4:49:37 PM EDT
The only negative I see here is that he didn't suffer more as he met his maker.....
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Originally Posted By safetyoff:
The only negative I see here is that he didn't suffer more as he met his maker.....
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It's not hard to choke someone out, and it doesn't take long before you'll pass out (about 6-8 seconds), but as someone who's been choked out a lot during practice, let me tell you...

It's NOT fun. Even when you see and know it's coming, it still sucks balls.
Link Posted: 4/25/2014 12:08:13 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Hayashi_Killian:

It's not hard to choke someone out, and it doesn't take long before you'll pass out (about 6-8 seconds), but as someone who's been choked out a lot during practice, let me tell you...

It's NOT fun. Even when you see and know it's coming, it still sucks balls.
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Originally Posted By Hayashi_Killian:
Originally Posted By safetyoff:
The only negative I see here is that he didn't suffer more as he met his maker.....

It's not hard to choke someone out, and it doesn't take long before you'll pass out (about 6-8 seconds), but as someone who's been choked out a lot during practice, let me tell you...

It's NOT fun. Even when you see and know it's coming, it still sucks balls.


An old friend of mine would 'hug' you.  Next thing you know, it's about 10 seconds later and you're starting to regain consciousness.  That was one of his ways of saying that he automatically got 'shotgun' in the truck.
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