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Posted: 9/8/2004 5:11:08 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/8/2004 5:23:15 AM EST by echap]
>
www.mlive.com/newsflash/michigan/index.ssf?/base/news-18/109459076535780.xml&storylist=newsmichigan
>
> State senator proposes Michigan extension of federal assault-weapons
> ban
>
> The Associated Press
> 9/7/2004, 4:52 p.m. ET
>
> LANSING, Mich. (AP) - State lawmakers said Tuesday they will introduce
> legislation to make sure assault-style weapons aren't sold, bought or
> manufactured in Michigan.
>
> Sen. Gilda Jacobs, D-Huntington Woods, said the bill would extend
> protections that are set to disappear next week when the 10-year-old
> federal assault-weapons ban is to expire.
>
> "These weapons are a threat to all Michigan citizens," Jacobs said. "If
> Congress fails to extend the ban, Michigan must take immediate action
> to protect our residents."
>
> In March, congressional Republicans voted down their gun-maker immunity
> bill after the Democrats won an amendment to extend the federal
> assault-weapons ban beyond its expiration. The provisions caused the
> National Rifle Association to withdraw its support for the bill, and
> Senate Republican leaders decided to kill it.
>
> The end of the ban would mean the gun industry could resume making,
> importing and selling 19 types of military-style semiautomatic weapons.
>
> Jacobs held a press conference Tuesday in Oak Park, where she was
> joined by Detroit Police Chief Ella Bully-Cummings, Rep. Bill McConico,
> D-Detroit, and victims of shootings involving assault weapons.
>
> Jacobs said more than 180 law enforcement officials statewide support
> continuing the ban. Ten other states have implemented bans or
> regulations on assault weapons, she said.
>
> Justice Department data shows the proportion of banned assault weapons
> traced to crimes has dropped by 65.8 percent since 1995. In 1995, the
> first year that the ban went into effect, assault weapons represented
> 3.57 percent of all crime guns recovered from crimes. By 2002, assault
> weapons represented only 1.22 percent of the number of guns used in
crimes.
>
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 5:56:19 AM EST
Here is the URL to contact your State Reps:

State Legislature Contact Info
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 6:50:45 AM EST
done
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 7:05:43 AM EST
I wrote everyone that had an email.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 7:25:54 AM EST
done, rat bastards, i hate dems
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 7:31:08 AM EST
Done
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 8:50:26 AM EST
Call the office of Jim Howell, Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee and member of criminal justice committee! He is somewhat for magazine bans but he is swaying right now!!

517-373-0837
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 9:14:15 AM EST
does anyone know the specifics of this bill? Will there be grandfather clauses? forced registration? etc....? I am on the verge on buying a buncha stuff for monday but if MI turns AWB like cali i dont want to have all this stuff suddenly become illegal.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 10:27:13 AM EST
NPR (in Ann Arbor) just said that the legislation was already introduced, but I haven't been able to find it on the website. Still looking though.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 12:16:29 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/8/2004 12:42:34 PM EST by crowboy]
I just heard it on our local news ( Traverse City ) but with no details. Dont the Republicans still control both houses? I mailed my guy and I called Rep Howell's office.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 12:39:28 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/8/2004 12:41:01 PM EST by crowboy]

Originally Posted By Happyshooter:
Call the office of Jim Howell, Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee and member of criminal justice committee! He is somewhat for magazine bans but he is swaying right now!!

517-373-0837


I just got off the phone with Jim Howell's office. His aide told me that as of this afternoon, nothing had been introduced yet and she also said that if it is brought to them it will NOT get out of committe. She also said that No gun laws would be considered this year period. Good news indeed...
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 1:39:54 PM EST

Originally Posted By crowboy:

Originally Posted By Happyshooter:
Call the office of Jim Howell, Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee and member of criminal justice committee! He is somewhat for magazine bans but he is swaying right now!!

517-373-0837


I just got off the phone with Jim Howell's office. His aide told me that as of this afternoon, nothing had been introduced yet and she also said that if it is brought to them it will NOT get out of committe. She also said that No gun laws would be considered this year period. Good news indeed...



That is good news, however my religion forbids me from trusting a politician.

Call anyways!
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 1:41:38 PM EST

Originally Posted By crowboy:

Originally Posted By Happyshooter:
Call the office of Jim Howell, Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee and member of criminal justice committee! He is somewhat for magazine bans but he is swaying right now!!

517-373-0837


I just got off the phone with Jim Howell's office. His aide told me that as of this afternoon, nothing had been introduced yet and she also said that if it is brought to them it will NOT get out of committe. She also said that No gun laws would be considered this year period. Good news indeed...




That's really good news, but I think we should "ALL" take some of these press releases and post them at gun ranges, gun stores to let our population in on the fact that these morons are still trying to take away our right and keep calling our reps. Let them know that if they pursue any gun control laws at all, they'll be commiting political suicide. I would even go so far as to give each of these gun grabbers a "polite, tactful and even tempered" phone call at their home, letting them know that you know what they are up to and that it's your intention to make sure that these kinds of introduced legislation do not become law. Be polite and respectful, but calling them at their homes, may let them know we mean business and we aren't going to take it anymore. Don't make threats, just be respectful and sincere. If you don't want to call from your home or cell number, get a calling card and use that. They don't trace pre-paid calling cards. Again, NO THREATS! Just let them know where you stand.

AND, before you call one of these peoples homes, make sure we don't have any laws making you a felon by calling your legislators home. Anyone or any police offiers out ther know of a law that will put you in jail for just calling the home of a legislator and letting them know you don't agree with their position? They are elected by us, and it would seem to me that when they take their oath of office, they set themselves up for people calling them and wanting to let them know there positions. And I can't say it enough, be polite, tactful and even tempered. Just let them know you are watching what they are doing and do not agree with it at all. A polite, tactful call at their home may just jolt them back into reality. I know Al Gore use to get calls at his house. So why can't we do it?

Link Posted: 9/8/2004 1:47:47 PM EST
Done. Thanks for the heads up.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 2:11:01 PM EST

I just got off the phone with Jim Howell's office. His aide told me that as of this afternoon, nothing had been introduced yet and she also said that if it is brought to them it will NOT get out of committe. She also said that No gun laws would be considered this year period. Good news indeed...


awesome to hear
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 2:51:03 PM EST
Done
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 4:55:34 PM EST
Done. Do it regularly.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 5:36:27 PM EST
Here is the email I sent:

Honorable Senator/Representative XXXXXXX,

I am writing this letter to direct your attention to the current effort by Senator Gilda Jacobs to renew and reauthorize at the state level the failed Clinton era experiment known as the "Assault Weapons" ban. I want to urge you in the strongest terms possible to oppose and defeat any and all efforts to see that the ban lives past its current expiration date.

The usual anti-gun politicians are calling for a needless continuation of the current ban on cosmetic rifle features such as pistol grips, bayonets and grenade launchers (are "drive-by bayonetings" or "rifle-launched grenade killings" really significant crime problems?). Not content with these restrictions, they are also calling for a ban on all self-loading shotguns (a favorite of hunters), all detachable-magazine self-loading rifles (used by most marksmanship competitors), and they seek to require gun manufacturers to submit complete lists of their dealers (a logical first step towards the registration of individual gun owners).

As there has been no statistically significant evidence presented that this ban has had an effect on reducing crime, and as it represents a serious infringement of our Second Amendment freedoms, I urge you to oppose any effort to renew the ban at the state level, as well as any efforts to institute an even more restrictive ban. Additionally, I urge you to oppose any other measures that effectively deny citizens the right to choose which ever means they deem to be appropriate in protecting themselves and their loved ones.

As a lifelong resident and voter in Michigan, your support on a matter like this is important to me. I look forward to your response.

Regards,

XXXXXXXXX X XXXXXXXXXX

Even if your senator is a democrat, remember that many of them in MI are fencesitters. A call and a follow up email could be what keeps them on our side when the time comes (and it's important to squash this stuff NOW).

Consider writing the Senate and House Majority and Minority leaders, as well as the governor.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 7:32:44 PM EST
Heard this this morning and man did it set the tone for the rest of a shitty day! I will be writing emails tonight and calling tomorrow. If this goes through I will either go C&R Class III or move!!!

Link Posted: 9/8/2004 8:36:13 PM EST
One of the guys I work with told me that he heard something about it last night going home. He didn't get any spacifics and the story wasn't repeated. Really made a bad day at work even worse thinking that there was the posability that after living through 10 years of the KGB (Klinton gun Ban) that the state wants to screw us all over again.

I am going to sit down tommorrow and come up with a letter and send it to everyone I can get an address for as well as call them and send E-mails.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 2:24:01 AM EST
Just heard about it on Drew and Mike. I think the sound clip they played was from Granholm. She sounded absolutely apalled that gun legislation would actually sunset.

Looks like its not over yet for us.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 3:35:46 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/9/2004 3:54:17 AM EST by Feedingcannibal]
E mail sent to Jacobs. Polite, but to the point. I am a one issue voter.

E mails sent to every Senator on the list. Here they are; just copy to your To box in your e mail (highlight text, hit Ctrl + C, put your cursor in your To box and hit Ctrl + V):

SenJBarcia@senate.michigan.gov; SenRBasham@senate.michigan.gov; SenVBernero@senate.michigan.gov; SenPBirkholz@senate.michigan.gov; SenMBishop@senate.michigan.gov; SenLBrater@senate.michigan.gov; SenCBrown@senate.michigan.gov; SenNCassis@senate.michigan.gov; SenDCherry@senate.michigan.gov; SenIClark-Coleman@senate.michigan.gov; SenHansenClarke@senate.michigan.gov; SenACropsey@senate.michigan.gov; SenREmerson@senate.michigan.gov; SenVGarcia@senate.michigan.gov; SenTGeorge@senate.michigan.gov; SenJGilbert@senate.michigan.gov; SenMGoschka@senate.michigan.gov; SenBHammerstrom@senate.michigan.gov; SenBHardiman@senate.michigan.gov; SenRJelinek@senate.michigan.gov; SenSJohnson@senate.michigan.gov; SenWKuipers@senate.michigan.gov; SenBLeland@senate.michigan.gov; SenMMcManus@senate.michigan.gov; SenDOlshove@senate.michigan.gov; SenBPatterson@senate.michigan.gov; SenMPrusi@senate.michigan.gov; SenASanborn@senate.michigan.gov; SenMSchauer@senate.michigan.gov; SenMScott@senate.michigan.gov; SenKSikkema@senate.michigan.gov; SenTStamas@senate.michigan.gov; SenMSwitalski@senate.michigan.gov; SenBThomas@senate.michigan.gov; SenLToy@senate.michigan.gov; SenGVanWoerkom@senate.michigan.gov; SenGJacobs@senate.michigan.gov; SenJAllen@senate.michigan.gov
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 4:00:45 AM EST

Originally Posted By Feedingcannibal:
E mail sent to Jacobs. Polite, but to the point. I am a one issue voter.

E mails sent to every Senator on the list. Here they are; just copy to your To box in your e mail (highlight text, hit Ctrl + C, put your cursor in your To box and hit Ctrl + V):

SenJBarcia@senate.michigan.gov; SenRBasham@senate.michigan.gov; SenVBernero@senate.michigan.gov; SenPBirkholz@senate.michigan.gov; SenMBishop@senate.michigan.gov; SenLBrater@senate.michigan.gov; SenCBrown@senate.michigan.gov; SenNCassis@senate.michigan.gov; SenDCherry@senate.michigan.gov; SenIClark-Coleman@senate.michigan.gov; SenHansenClarke@senate.michigan.gov; SenACropsey@senate.michigan.gov; SenREmerson@senate.michigan.gov; SenVGarcia@senate.michigan.gov; SenTGeorge@senate.michigan.gov; SenJGilbert@senate.michigan.gov; SenMGoschka@senate.michigan.gov; SenBHammerstrom@senate.michigan.gov; SenBHardiman@senate.michigan.gov; SenRJelinek@senate.michigan.gov; SenSJohnson@senate.michigan.gov; SenWKuipers@senate.michigan.gov; SenBLeland@senate.michigan.gov; SenMMcManus@senate.michigan.gov; SenDOlshove@senate.michigan.gov; SenBPatterson@senate.michigan.gov; SenMPrusi@senate.michigan.gov; SenASanborn@senate.michigan.gov; SenMSchauer@senate.michigan.gov; SenMScott@senate.michigan.gov; SenKSikkema@senate.michigan.gov; SenTStamas@senate.michigan.gov; SenMSwitalski@senate.michigan.gov; SenBThomas@senate.michigan.gov; SenLToy@senate.michigan.gov; SenGVanWoerkom@senate.michigan.gov; SenGJacobs@senate.michigan.gov; SenJAllen@senate.michigan.gov




I tryied to make a list last night and wouldn't work? Any chance on doing the State Rep list?
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 4:40:11 AM EST

Originally Posted By echap:
>
www.mlive.com/newsflash/michigan/index.ssf?/base/news-18/109459076535780.xml&storylist=newsmichigan
>
snip
>
> "These weapons are a threat to all Michigan citizens," Jacobs said. "If
> Congress fails to extend the ban, Michigan must take immediate action
> to protect our residents."

snip




Not having assault weapons is a threat to me and especially my wife. She is urging me to build her a 16" M4gery for home defense and blasting fun.


We need to make sure we are sending emails, writing, calling, and meeting with our Reps and Senators. The governor signed the dove hunting bill because we wrote her. She will (probably) sign this if it gets to her desk.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 5:19:40 AM EST
My first real response.


You are correct Senator Jacobs has expressed an intent to introduce
legislation similar to what was passed on a federal level regarding the
banning of assault weapons.

As a proud member of the Michigan Council of Responsible Gun Owners I
would be hard pressed to see any movement on the aforementioned
legislation.

Sincerely,
Buzz Thomas

Link Posted: 9/9/2004 5:59:28 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/9/2004 6:03:50 AM EST by klutz347]

Originally Posted By ebgb68:
I tryied to make a list last night and wouldn't work? Any chance on doing the State Rep list?



edwardgaffney@house.mi.gov;kdaniels@house.mi.gov ;ahardman@house.mi.gov ;
repmarywaters@house.mi.gov ;repbillmcconico@house.mi.gov ;marshacheeks@house.mi.gov ;
virgilsmith@house.mi.gov ;almastallworth@house.mi.gov;tupachunter@house.mi.gov ;
treeves@house.mi.gov ;morrishood3rd@house.mi.gov ;stevetobocman@house.mi.gov ;
barbarafarrah@house.mi.gov ;woneil@house.mi.gov ;gworonchak@house.mi.gov ;
jimplakas@house.mi.gov ;dist017@house.mi.gov ;glennanderson@house.mi.gov ;
johnpastor@house.mi.gov ;johnstewart@house.mi.gov ;phillajoy@house.mi.gov ;
hoon-yunghopgood@house.mi.gov ;kathleenlaw@house.mi.gov ;jackbrandenburg@house.mi.gov ;
stevebieda@house.mi.gov ;dwoodward@house.mi.gov ;andymeisner@house.mi.gov ;
lisawojno@house.mi.gov ;clarencephillips@house.mi.gov;srocca@house.mi.gov ;
pgieleghem@house.mi.gov ;danielacciavatti@house.mi.gov ;ldrolet@house.mi.gov ;brendaclack@house.mi.gov ;
paulcondino@house.mi.gov ;repbrianpalmer@house.mi.gov ;aldovagnozzi@house.mi.gov ;
craigderoche@house.mi.gov ;mshulman@house.mi.gov ;shelleytaub@house.mi.gov ;
jpappageorge@house.mi.gov ;frankaccavitti@house.mi.gov ;franamos@house.mi.gov ;
johnstakoe@house.mi.gov ;johngarfield@house.mi.gov ;rujohnson@house.mi.gov ;
joehune@house.mi.gov ;johngleason@house.mi.gov ;jminore@house.mi.gov;
paulazelenko@house.mi.gov ;davidrobertson@house.mi.gov ;gderossett@house.mi.gov ;
chriskolb@house.mi.gov ;rjamnick@house.mi.gov ;mattmilosch@house.mi.gov ;
rrichardville@house.mi.gov ;dspade@house.mi.gov ;brucecaswell@house.mi.gov ;
rickshaffer@house.mi.gov ;alexanderlipsey@house.mi.gov ;jackhoogendyk@house.mi.gov;
mikenofs@house.mi.gov ;lorencewenke@house.mi.gov;cbisbee@house.mi.gov ;
mickeymortimer@house.mi.gov ;chrisward@house.mi.gov ;diannebyrum@house.mi.gov ;
michaelcmurphy@house.mi.gov ;gretchenwhitmer@house.mi.gov ;judyemmons@house.mi.gov ;
stabor@house.mi.gov ;glennsteil@house.mi.gov ;doughart@house.mi.gov ;wmvanreg@house.mi.gov ;
jerrykooiman@house.mi.gov ;representativesak@house.mi.gov ;jvoorhees@house.mi.gov ;
nealnitz@house.mi.gov ;clasata@house.mi.gov ;mmiddaugh@house.mi.gov ;lhager@house.mi.gov ;
johnstahl@house.mi.gov ;sehardt@house.mi.gov ;tommeyer@house.mi.gov ;ljulian@house.mi.gov ;
jkoetje@house.mi.gov ;repgarynewell@house.mi.gov ;fultonsheen@house.mi.gov ;
repbarbvanderveen@house.mi.gov ;billhuizenga@house.mi.gov ;davidfarhat@house.mi.gov ;
jdennis@house.mi.gov ;scotthummel@house.mi.gov ;jhowell@house.mi.gov ;
carlmacwilliams@house.mi.gov ;jrivet@house.mi.gov ;jenniferelkins@house.mi.gov ;
johnmoolenaar@house.mi.gov ;scaul@house.mi.gov ;mpumford@house.mi.gov ;
davidpalsrok@house.mi.gov ;rijohnson@house.mi.gov ;dsheltrown@house.mi.gov ;
howardwalker@house.mi.gov ;matthewgillard@house.mi.gov ;sshackleton@house.mi.gov ;
tomcasperson@house.mi.gov ;stephenadamini@house.mi.gov ;richbrown@house.mi.gov
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 6:21:55 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/9/2004 6:22:53 AM EST by lokt]
Here is the response I got this morning from my state rep


Dear lokt,
Thank you for writing the office of Representative Hune. Your firearm
rights are respected and supported by Joe. He will not vote for
legislation that erodes those rights and understands your frustration.
Please contact this office anytime we can be of further assistance.
Sincerely,
Daniel Wm Reynolds
Constituent Contact for Joe Hune
State Representative, 47th District





here is the non-response I got from the Senate Democratic (minority) Leader


Thank you for your message to Senate Democratic Leader Bob Emerson.
Your message has been opened and read by a member of Senator Emerson's
staff. This reply is to let you know your message has been received.

If you included a name and street address on your message, and you are
from Senator Emerson's district (the 27th District in Genesee County),
your comments and/or inquiry will be reviewed again, the Senator will be
briefed, and if necessary, you will receive a personalized response.

If you did not include a name or street address, or if you are from
outside the 27th district, you may not receive another response. As a
matter of courtesy, requests for assistance with State government or for
information on legislation will be referred to your local legislator.
Comments or requests regarding Senator Emerson's position on legislative
matters will be forwarded to the Senator and kept on file.

We appreciate your participation in the legislative process and
encourage you to write again. Should you need to contact our office by
phone, you may do so at 800-390-0697, or at 517-373-0142.

Thank you.

Link Posted: 9/9/2004 7:04:47 AM EST
I got the same response from Sen Emerson. I expect the same type of response from my Rep. too.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 11:05:43 AM EST
Thanks for the list!



Originally Posted By klutz347:
I got the same response from Sen Emerson. I expect the same type of response from my Rep. too.

Link Posted: 9/9/2004 11:07:52 AM EST

Originally Posted By Happyshooter:
Call the office of Jim Howell, Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee and member of criminal justice committee! He is somewhat for magazine bans but he is swaying right now!!

517-373-0837



Anyone know the Chairman of the State Senate Judiciary Committee?
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 11:51:17 AM EST
Here's my responce from Susan Tabor.

Dear Rick:

Sen. Jacobs served in the house with me and I know her and her anti-gun antics for what they are. While I respect the Senator and certainly believe she is entitled to her views, she has based her proposal on unfounded facts and misinformation.

With the Republicans in majority in both the house and the senate, I would be amazed if her legislation ever sees the light of committee.

With the upcoming elections right around the corner, I hope pro-2nd amendment voters will pay attention to the voting record and bills introduced by candidates seeking re-election and meet and ask questions of those who are running for the first time. It is the most important thing we can do as gun-owners who wish to protect our constitutional freedom.

However, I never take anything for granted and I'm pleased that you are bringing this to the attention of your legislators.

thank you for writing.

State Rep. Sue Tabor
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 12:01:56 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/9/2004 12:02:16 PM EST by Happyshooter]


Originally Posted By Happyshooter:
Call the office of Jim Howell, Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee and member of criminal justice committee! He is somewhat for magazine bans but he is swaying right now!!

517-373-0837




I talked to his staff. He is now in favor of the ban going away. He is MCRGO endorsed and NRA "A".

He helped pass CPL reform and the reform to the reform.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 12:50:26 PM EST
Thank gosh we have somebody on our side....

Dear Ed:

I would never support such legislation, and frankly, with the
republicans in majority in both the house and the senate, I would be
amazed if Sen. Gilda Jacob's proposal ever sees the light of day.

However, I never take anything for granted, such as my 2nd amendment
rights, and I am pleased that you are contacting your legislators to
share your views.

thank you.

State Rep. Sue Tabor

Link Posted: 9/9/2004 8:16:22 PM EST

Originally Posted By ebgb68:
Thank gosh we have somebody on our side....



I got this from Rep. Dave Robertson



Dear klutz347,

Please count on my "no" vote on this issue, and any other that
infringies on the 2nd amendment. I will fight the gun grabbers every
chance I can!

Thanks,

Dave Robertson
State Representative




Altho he isn't my Rep., I have known Dave for a few years and he is one of the good ones.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 8:17:04 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/9/2004 8:17:48 PM EST by klutz347]
Oops, double posted.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 8:21:50 PM EST

Originally Posted By Jeepster:

Originally Posted By Happyshooter:
Call the office of Jim Howell, Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee and member of criminal justice committee! He is somewhat for magazine bans but he is swaying right now!!

517-373-0837



Anyone know the Chairman of the State Senate Judiciary Committee?



Here you go.
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 3:40:07 AM EST
Senate bill SB1381

Here's the bill as introduced, they added pump action rifles to the definition of AWs!


http://www.mileg.org/mileg.asp?page=getObject&objName=2004-SB-1381

Link Posted: 9/10/2004 3:55:56 AM EST
This will be a sad day in Mi. You guys better get on this.....


Originally Posted By monkeyman:
Senate bill SB1381

Here's the bill as introduced, they added pump action rifles to the definition of AWs!


http://www.mileg.org/mileg.asp?page=getObject&objName=2004-SB-1381


Link Posted: 9/10/2004 5:17:09 AM EST
Have you read this BS. AW registration, annual re-registration, administrative checks of storage by SP. More than a 2nd ammendement violation here. Violates search rights. F... that!
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 6:14:59 AM EST

Originally Posted By mongo001:
Have you read this BS. AW registration, annual re-registration, administrative checks of storage by SP. More than a 2nd ammendment violation here. Violates search rights. F... that!



Just like the NFA '34. and that was ruled Constitutional.

Best we squish this NOW, folks!
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 7:47:32 AM EST
You know after reading this bill I wonder if they will grandfather your existing rifles? The bill also states the the weapon can only be used on liscensed firing ranges and held on your own personnel property and you are subjected to inspection by state police for compliance. No more kit builds annual registration fees, it also states that you can own the gun but not the magazine this law is rediculas! What is that woman thinking. I called my reps and will call again. This bill could in fact pass in less that two weeks. Call now and call again. One more thing this means no more pit shoots.

Rich
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 9:43:17 AM EST
Considering what we have heard from the responding Senators thus far, I'm not loosing any sleep over this. Doesn't mean I won't keep at it, but I'm not all that worried.

Once the AWB is a memory (next week), much of the hulabalu about it will disipate. Just like the CCW shall issue - when it came close to passing, and did indeed pass - all the antis were talking about revoking it and so on. Nothing happened.
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 11:35:24 AM EST
I spoke to Jim Howell himself. He says this is not getting out of his committee if it is sent to the House.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 11:38:21 AM EST
WHAT IN JUPITER'S BALLS IS THIS CRAP!!!??!!

i just found out about this this morning. guess i'll be on the phone next week. WTF are these bozos thinking? isn't MI like 5th for the most gun owners in the US?

excuse me while i dig holes in my back yard.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 1:09:40 PM EST

Originally Posted By thecleaner:
WHAT IN JUPITER'S BALLS IS THIS CRAP!!!??!!

i just found out about this this morning. guess i'll be on the phone next week. WTF are these bozos thinking? isn't MI like 5th for the most gun owners in the US?

excuse me while i dig holes in my back yard.




Well, if you have to dig holes, it's probably too late. Save the time and get other people to call and write, too.
Link Posted: 9/13/2004 11:30:10 AM EST
IT HAS NOW BEEN SUBMITTED! This law is the worst gun control bill that I have ever seen!

1. It is more restrictive than the 1994 AWB, all "post-ban" configurations would be included
2. Registration of Assault Weapons that you already own would be required
3. Annual Renewal of Assault Weapons registration would be required
4. Storage requirements are introduced, and the THE STATE POLICE WOULD BE ALLOWED TO ANNUALLY INSPECT THE STORAGE OF YOUR ASSAULT WEAPON!
5. Penalty for violation is 4 years in prison and a $2,100 fine!

Here is the thread with the text of the bill:

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=274260

Write your Senators and Reps AT LEAST once a week!
Link Posted: 9/13/2004 12:05:28 PM EST
Done, I will keep up with these letters as much as I can. Thanks for the heads up.
Link Posted: 9/13/2004 12:12:43 PM EST
FUCK THAT SHIT!

I kept it short and sweet.
Sent my letter out to all this morning:

Dear Michigan Senators/Representatives,

I am writing in regards to the State "Assault Weapons Ban" as proposed by Senator
Gilda Jacobs. As a lifelong American citizen, Patriot, gun owner and Michigan resident,
I am writing to voice my disapproval in this Un-Constitutional proposed law. I strongly feel that we as Americans have a right to "Keep and Bear Arms" and strongly oppose any legislation that threatens our freedoms.

Regards,
XXXX X XXX
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 11:03:23 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/14/2004 11:04:11 AM EST by motown_steve]
I spoke with someone from Senator Olshove's office this afternoon, regarding SB1381. He said that:

"Senator Olshove is very aware of this bill, and we have recieved alot of correspondence regarding this bill."

I don't know if that is good or bad. The other side could be kicking out their opinion as well!

He also said (paraphrasing):

"Senator Olshove has not yet taken a position on this bill. It is still a virgin bill, and it is currently in the Judiciary committe. He realizes that there is some language in this bill that have negative implications for hunters. The senator is waiting to see if this bill even makes it out of commitee, and what the final language is before taking a position on this bill."

It sounds like Olshove isn't thrilled about all of the terms of this bill, and he might be hoping that is never makes it out of commite. Then again, he may be all for some type of AWB, he just doesn't want to piss off the hunters.

I told whoever it was that I was speaking with that "I would like Senator Olshove to oppose any bills that limit the rights of law abiding Michiganders to keep and bear arms". We'll see what happens I guess.

I thought I lived in a fairly conservative area.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 11:43:39 AM EST
Thank you for writing to share your thoughts about Senator Gilda
Jacobs' proposal to implement a state "Assault Weapons Ban."

Because of the recent expiration of the federal "Assault Weapons
Ban," Senator Jacobs has introduced Senate Bill 1381. The intent of
this bill is to ban all assault weapons in the state of Michigan, which
the bill defines as any semi-automatic pistol or rifle that is able to
accept a magazine with more than 10 rounds and has certain cosmetic
appearances, such as a pistol grip or shoulder stock.

Senate Bill 1381 was recently referred to the Senate Judiciary
Committee, of which Senator Alan Cropsey is chairman. In response to
your letter, I have spoken with Senator Cropsey. Although he has
informed me that it is unlikely the committee will be reviewing this
bill, please know that if I do have the opportunity to vote on the
proposal, I am not inclined to support it.

Again, thank you for writing. If I can be of further assistance in
this or any other matter, please contact my office at any time.

Respectfully yours,

Ken Sikkema
Senate Majority Leader


Thank you for contacting my office regarding Senate Bill 1381, which as
introduced would prohibit in Michigan under certain circumstances the
"manufacture, transfer, or possession of assault weapons, assault weapon
conversion kits, and detachable magazines."

SB 1381 is modeled after federal legislation, the Violent Crime Control
and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, commonly referred to as the Federal
Assault Weapons Ban. The Act, which expired Monday, prohibited the
"manufacture, sale and importation of certain military-style,
semi-automatic assault weapons and ammunition magazines that hold more
than ten rounds." Proponents have argued in favor of renewing the Act
due to its effect in reducing gun violence stemming from reductions in
the number of assault weapons on the street. Opponents of the ban have
argued that the legislation has had no effect on gun violence as it
merely affected cosmetic features of semi-automatic firearms.
Additionally, opponents have noted that fully automatic weapons are
already illegal under federal law and have been for many years.

I declined an opportunity to co-sponsor this legislation, as I am
concerned that it could possibly be misconstrued to affect or possibly
ban numerous legal firearms currently used by sportsmen in the U.P. I
am proud of my record in support of second amendment issues, and will
take your comments into serious consideration should this legislation
come before the full Senate for debate this fall, which is highly
unlikely.

Again, thank you for writing. Please do not hesitate to contact me
further regarding this or any other state issue of your concern if I can
be of assistance.

Sincerely,



MICHAEL A. PRUSI
State Senator
38th District


Thank you for contacting me regarding Senate Bills 1381 and 1382 which would
restrict the use and possession of assault weapons. I appreciate the time you
have taken to contact me.

SB 1381 and 1382, sponsored by Senator Gilda Jacobs, were introduced on
September 9, 2004. The legislation is awaiting consideration before the Senate
Committee on the Judiciary. A hearing on this matter has not been scheduled at
this time. If you would like more information about legislation that has been
introduced in Michigan, please visit www.michiganlegislature.org.

As legislation often changes drastically during the legislative process, I
appreciate your input on this issue. As a lifelong supporter of our
constitutional right to keep and bear arms, you can be assured that I will keep
your comments in mind, should this legislation be passed out of committee and be
brought before me for consideration.

Thank you again for writing. Please do not hesitate to contact me in the future
if I can be of assistance regarding state government.

Best Wishes,

Jason Allen
State Senator
37th District
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 12:17:03 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/14/2004 12:19:22 PM EST by Guntoting_Spartan]
got some good responses, one from the senate majority leader:



Dear Evan:

Thank you for writing to share your thoughts about Senator Gilda Jacobs' proposal to implement a state "Assault Weapons Ban."

Because of the recent expiration of the federal "Assault Weapons Ban," Senator Jacobs has introduced Senate Bill 1381. The intent of this bill is to ban all assault weapons in the state of Michigan, which the bill defines as any semi-automatic pistol or rifle that is able to accept a magazine with more than 10 rounds and has certain cosmetic appearances, such as a pistol grip or shoulder stock.

Senate Bill 1381 was recently referred to the Senate Judiciary Committee, of which Senator Alan Cropsey is chairman. In response to your letter, I have spoken with Senator Cropsey. Although he has informed me that it is unlikely the committee will be reviewing this bill, please know that if I do have the opportunity to vote on the proposal, I am not inclined to support it.

Again, thank you for writing. If I can be of further assistance in this or any other matter, please contact my office at any time.

Respectfully yours,

Ken Sikkema
Senate Majority Leader




Dear Evan:

Thank you for contacting my office with regard to state legislation to ban "assault weapons".

Senator Gilda Jacobs has just introduced Senate Bills 1381 and 1382 to enact a ban on weapons covered under the federal ban that has just expired. Please know that I do not support this legislation and will vote against it, should it come to the House for consideration.
Furthermore, I continue to support law abiding citizens' 2nd amendment right to bear arms.

Again, thank you for contacting me to convey your opposition to this legislation.

Sincerely,


Ed Gaffney
State Representative
1st District




these are good to hear responses
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