So I have lived in PA all of my life.  I am getting married on June 25th.  I will  be moving to my soon to be wife's house which will be in Olean, NY.

I have tried my damnedest to try to get her to move into PA.   Not going to happen anytime soon.  

Vehicle inspection differences.  I have a new truck but I am still wondering what is required in NY to pass inspection.  

How long do I have to change my dirver's license, vehicle registration, plates?

Are there any kinds of of ammo I am not allowed to have?  For example AP?

I know there is the ability of getting a conceal carry permit.  How do I go about it?

So there is a AWB in New York, does that mean I can't bring post ban guns into the state?  Mags too?

Are there any special storage requirements for firearms or ammo?

Anything else you can think of I wouldn't know?

GOD NO! STAY IN PA!!!!

I just escaped from Olean and bought a house in Pa lol good luck in that shit hole city. They do have a kick ass gun and rod club with a 600 yard rifle range and a indoor and out door pistol range dues are 30.00 a year. Post ban rifles are good to go as long as they are NY compliant no bayonet lug no flash hider  and no colasable stocks. Preban 30rnd mags are good to go other than that they must be 10rnd mags.

Well...

Yes we have an AWB...just like the old federal AWB...so an AR can't have a tele stock, a flash hider, or a bayo lug...UNLESS the lower is preban.

ALL magazines (handgun and rifle mags) that are over 10 rounds need to be PREBAN (made before sept 14 1994)...any post ban mags need to be 10 rounds or less.

The worst part...You can't even OWN / POSSESS a handgun in NY without getting a NYS pistol permit first. So you will have to leave your handguns in PA for a year or two while you apply for a license.

Not sure if Cattaraugus County is a "full concealed carry" county or a "restricted target/hunting" pistol license county...So you MAY get a full carry...or you MAY get a target/hunting only permit.

No real laws on firearm/ammo storage, no.

Inspection isn't a big deal here.  If it is new and undamaged you should pass.

AP pistol ammo is generally a no-no.  There is an argument that AP 5.56mm could be illegal because of the existence of AR pistols, but it is a long shot at best, I wouldn't be concerned.

I don't know what county that town is in, but the process, wait times, types and availability vary by county.  Someone from your county will be able to tell you more.  We don't all get CCL's but you will be able to get a license to at least own them.  Some counties may push the process past 18 months with residency requirements and references, you may not bring any handgun into the state before you have that license in your hands.

You can bring post-ban guns if they are compliant with the AWB.  Once you have your license any handgun should be OK unless you have something abnormally large or a post ban ghetto blaster, but any run of the mill current production handgun should be OK.  Semi-auto rifles and shotguns is where you will run into trouble with the AWB.  Also, any post 1994 magazines may not be able to hold more than 10 rounds, pistol or rifle, are illegal.  This means, sell your PMAGs and 11+ pistol mags, don't bring them into the state.

Storage requirements would be imposed on the local level, likely by local fire codes or by the license issuing authority.  Plan to keep your handguns in a safe attached to a permanent structure.  I don't know of anywhere outside of NYC that has ammo volume restrictions.

NY Penal Code 265.00 will give you all you need to know about weapons.

(Also, black powder handguns are OK to own IF and ONLY IF you don't have the means to discharge them, so no caps, powder or balls in the house if you have any to bring with you. )

Ask away if you need any other info.  We're here to help.

Welcome to NY but really I hope you find another way.  I know other posters wonder why we dump on potential immigrants to this state and try to dissuade them in the most graphic terms possible.  Just trying to be good citizens and helping people from making terrible mistakes they will later wind up complaining about on this forum.  We are already here and know how bad it is.  At least Olean is not here in the metro-NYC area.



I see Olean is within spitting distance of PA.  You might be able to find a place in PA to store your toys and visit them whenever you want.



 

I know I will regret living in NY and believe me if there was any way to stay in PA I would.  

My parents will still be living in PA 25 miles away.

CCW could take 18 months!!!  I am used to 15 minutes.   I thought that I would need it before bringing in pistols.  Can I bring in rifles and shotguns before I get a CCW?

Does every pistol I want to bring need to be listed on the CCW?


Thanks for the help.

Not for nothing, but it's pretty sad that I can use my non-res PA permit to carry in PA and other states with reciprocity, but my own NY permit has the goofy "hunting and target" restriction. NY blows.

Add to that you cannot "bring" in your pistols once you have your New York license.  You will need to ship them to an FFL in New York so that they can be transferred to you.  Ain't New York great?



 

Your getting married and moving to NY, sorry, there is no helping you, your screwed

+1

The new yorkers are trying to escape the democraps liberal bs and rinos.

Stay in a motel 6 on the PA side, leave the wife in ny

Catt county issues non restricted wait time is around 90 days

Or make you feel terrible by bashing you over the head with our reality.

Call the Cattaraugus county pistol permit clerk regarding moving your pistols. (PM me for more info on that). Her name is Marga and she's very helpful.  I moved here from NEPA and I'm truly regretting it and I grew up here. You are so close to the PA border in Olean. I'd seriously consider staying on the PA side even if your commute is a little farther. I'm not just saying that from a gun owner standpoint either. Catt. county should only take a couple months to go through the pistol permit process which is about as short as you'll get one in WNY. Rifles and shotguns are fine as long as the rifles are AWB compliant. Just be sure to have the ammo in a separate part of the vehicle from the weapon while transporting. I had a gunsmith in PA pin and weld a muzzlebrake on my AR and he also pinned the tele stock for me which I later epoxied over that pin. That's compliant enough for me. I cut the bayo lug off with a dremel and repainted the damage. All of this on a rifle that was 5 months old mind you. Technically you have 30 days to switch over your license and registration/inspection. I know many people who haven't changed that stuff for months. The fees are steep so be prepared especially if you have more than one vehicle. It was around $300 to get both of my vehicles registered here. If you're planning on crossing the border to Canada at any point and you don't have a passport, you may want to look into getting an Enhanced NY driver's license right from the start. It's an extra $30 I think. That will allow you to cross the border and it's a hell of a lot easier and cheaper than getting a passport if you don't already have one. I've heard nothing but bad about Olean inner city. My brother lives on the outskirts and it's not bad. Good Luck!

To quote a GD-ism...

DON'T FO!

Yes. That's the point of the NYS pistol licensing/registration law. You cannot even possess a friends registered handgun for any purpose except under his/her supervision at an authorized target range or authorized pistol competition.



7-a.  Possession and use, at an indoor or outdoor pistol range located

 in or on premises owned or occupied by a duly incorporated  organization

 organized  for  conservation  purposes or to foster proficiency in small

 arms or at a target pistol shooting competition under the auspices of or

 approved by the national rifle association for the  purpose  of  loading

 and  firing  the  same, by a person duly licensed to possess a pistol or

 revolver pursuant to section 400.00 or  400.01  of  this  chapter  of  a

 pistol  or revolver duly so licensed to another person who is present at

 the time.



 

Brother I honestly feel for you.

Usually I prefer not to rip on my home state because I honestly believe that things aren't nearly as bad like to rip on us for. But in your case, coming from right over the border from the promiseland to here. Its gonna suck... hard.

Inspections are a joke, quick walk around, OBD plugin and your off. So just make sure you havent thrown any CEL's recently and if so unplug the battery for a while or whatever your car calls for to do a reset. They may do an emissions sniff to I cant remember. Me and my guy have an 'understanding' back when I was mostly living out of state but kept NY tags. I kept the windows down to deal with the tint, and hung a front plate (wasnt even the correct one) off the bumper with a screw. The fee is a flat rate, 37 I believe, so add a little on top of that if you have stuff that is not good to go like wide tires that don't have bolt on or rolled fender archs, or you pulled out a cat from the exhaust or whatever and its not gonna be a problem.


Motorcycles are due in every year sometime in April no matter when you bought or registered the bike or whatever.

I am not aware of any black tip 5.56 that is even available so that's not a problem.

Be aware of your mags, you need to start looking to trade people for prebans. Arfcommers are usually pretty cool and will sell pre-bans at or near NIB for at or near pmag prices for them.

Then as far as AR's in the future, I'm always on the lookout for good deals on preban lowers, even if it is just gonna sit for a year or two. Once you  have a preban lower your g2g for whatever evil features you would like.

Theres no NFA*. Technically I think AOW is on the books but I've never seen or heard of it. RK or someone smarter than me would know.


Once you secure your permit, you need to read up on the info the give you requiring use of deadly force etc.

Technically... You are able to resond with force if you have a reasonable belief that it is neccssary to protect you or a bystander from imminient use of unlawful physical force against yourself or a third person, unless you are the agressor.

The same is true in regards to deadly force as long as you reasonably believe that deadly physical force against you or a third party is imminent. aka you fear for your life. You cannot respond with deadly force however if you know that 'with complete personal safety' you can avoid the need to use deadly force by retreating or getting away.

There is no duty to retreat if you are in your home and you are not the agressor or you are assisting a LE at his/her request

OR

You reasonably believe that the other person is in the process of committing a kidnapping, violent rape, orcriminal sexual assault.

Force can be used to prevent or stop what you reasonably believe is damage to your property or a person in the course of a burglary.

Deadly force is also allowed in order to prevent the attempted commission of an Arson.

Keep in mind that these are the laws as they are written, I have no idea what would happen if someone used dealdy force to prevent something like a rape or an arson, but I have a very strong feeling it would not work out in the way in which it is described by law. in other words, your probably in deep shit. That goes for the no duty to retreat in the home clause too.  There are only two options which I would consider regardless of the law. Unless I saw someone who was clearly breaking into my house at night, witht a weapon or a burglary tool which can serve as a weapon I would absolutely do my best to put as much distance between us as possible or enough distance where I would be able to articulate that I had no where else to go. In the event that I wake up and see some thug on his way to my daughters bedroom or some such, well then I would make damn sure that I was the only one telling the story of how things went down when it was all said and done.

PLEEEASE don't get married!!!

I've seen some misinformation in this thread regarding NYS Motor Vehicle Inspections, so I'll chime in and set things straight (I'm a licensed motor vehicle inspector).

A NYS Inspection comprises of three parts on all vehicles 25 years old and newer.  Vehicles 26 years old or older are exempt from any and all emissions inspection.

1.  Safety inspection.
2.  Fuel Cap check.
3.  Emissions inspection*

Please understand that number three can vary depending on the year of your vehicle.  I will discuss this in a moment.

First, the safety inspection.  I will list things that will be checked (I might miss some, as I'm doing this on the fly).  Seat belts, horn, wipers, lights, tires, brakes (including lines and hoses), suspension, steering, chassis, fuel leaks, glass, etc.  LOTS of stuff gets checked.

Second is the fuel cap.  Pretty straight forward.  Is it there?  Is it broken? (25 years old and newer only)

Third is the emissions inspection.  This is where things can get tricky.  Vehicles 25 model years old and newer are required to pass some sort of emissions inspection.  Vehicles up to 1995 are subject to a visual emissions inspection of things such as catalyst, EGR, Evap, Air injection, PCV, etc.  OBDII vehicles (1996 and newer) are subject to enhanced emissions inspection.  This inspection consists of the following:

Connect the NYSDMV CVIS to the vehicle's Data Link Connector (DLC).  Does the MIL (malfunction indicator light, or check engine light) illuminate during bulb check?  It must come on when the key is in the run position.  If it does not, it will fail.  Next, the vehicle will be started and the computer will check for two things.  First it will check for current DTC's (diagnostic trouble codes).  If any current codes are present, the vehicle will fail.  Next, it will check to make sure that non-continuous monitors have run.  These include things like catalyst efficiency, heated O2, Evap, EGR, etc.  1996 model year vehicles may have two un-run monitors.  1997 and newer may have one un-run monitor.  Simply clearing codes or disconnecting the battery will do you no good if your MIL is on.  When you do either of those things, the monitors are reset, resulting in an emissions failure.  

Any further NYS Motor Vehicle Inspection questions may be directed to me.  If you'd like the actual inspection regulations, they can be found here:

http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/forms/cr79.pdf

The important stuff starts on page 79.21-1 and ends on page 79.21-13

get an anullment

Not having"pads" left would not cause an E-brake to fail if adjusted properly. More probable, the E-brake was never used previously(E-brake system seized, manual transmission) and the guy parked the car without leaving it in gear. Unless he parked it on an EXTREME grade and the manual clutch system failed to engage properly! The old "use it or lose it"

You guys are bad    LOL...  Why you are still in PA,why don't you check around the shops,shows etc. and look for a preban ( aka old and used to everyone but us ban staters) or two for a decent price. preban mags especially the 20's can still be found cheap.

This is like a man on death row.

That's why they call it the ball and chain

I'm getting out of here ASAP lol, you shouldn't come here

Fortunately, there is hope for you.  I had a friend that lived in PA for years.  His wife made him move back to NY to be closer to family.  That only lasted a year or two, and now they are both back in PA enjoying it.  Hopefully you can convince the wife as well ;)

Interesting. What I meant by disconnecting the battery is that you won't pass if you have the cel illuminated, so if you threw a cel at some point (obviously you need to pull the code) but if it was say for a loose fuel cap or something minor , you need to physically reset the light before the inspection that's all.

couple quick questions if you would since that pdf is huge. Is there a standard depth of tread that is measured and determines the difference between a pass and fail, or is it determined by wear bars?

Lets say you do an inspection and the vehicle fails, is the customer still charged? Is this a shop policy or does the state set that rule.

thanks.

Sorry I haven't posted in here for awhile.  Getting married on Saturday and still have lots to do.

I appreciate all of the help.  

I do have some preban AR's so that's good.  

Does a preban mag need to have a date?  Obviously you can't use P-mags and an example but I know there are UGSI mags that are preban some with dates some without dates.

Same with Glock mags.  How do you really know when they were made unless they have "Restricted to Law enforcement"?

Any knife restrictions?

As for the tread depth question..........2/23" measured in two places at the major tread groove showing the most wear.  This is measured using a tread depth gauge.  Ignore the wear bars.  They're just there to let people know it's about time to buy tires.

As to the charge, yes, you are charged for the full inspection if the vehicle fails.  The shop does not set the rate or rules.  The state does.  However, upon re-inspection you may not end up paying the full charge.  For instance, your car passes the safety inspection, but fails the emissions inspection.  You make the appropriate repairs, and bring your vehicle back with the receipt from the failure, and the only portion of the inspection that is redone is the failed part, and you are only charged for that portion of the inspection.  All fees schedules, etc. are in the PDF I linked.

If you (or anyone else) has any other inspection related questions, feel free to ask.

You got a typo there. SB 2/32". You should also be replacing your tires long before they get down to 2/32" or the dopey wear bars are visible.



My truck failed twice. Once for for ball joints and once for micro cracks on the serpentine belt. The rip-off new car dealer wanted $1800 to replace the lower ball joints and the rip-off tire chain store wanted $130 to replace the belt. Both times there was nothing wrong with either the ball joints or the belt. The re-inspection charge was $10 both times.









 

No date required since most pre mag do not have a date.

It is easy to identify pre vs. post ban glock mags.  You can google up the specifics on that.  Stick with the prebans to be legal.  While no one will probably care, its not worth the downside, a  felony record.

Doh!  Good catch.  You are correct.  That should read 2/32".

How about 1/16"?










 

Or .0625 or 1.5875 mm  or just use a penny. Lincoln's head is 2/32 of an inch from the edge.

BTW, four years later my original ball joints are still fine. I did replace the serpentine belt myself last year for about $30 although it still didn't really need to be replaced.

I didn't have time to do this this morning, as I needed to get to work.........but I thought you might find this interesting.   As per the regulations:

"Steering Linkage.  Reject if:

2. There is any tightness or binding when turning the steering wheel completely to the right or left.  There is excessive wear and/or looseness in any of the following parts:  wheel bearings, upper and lower cross shaft and bushing upper and lower outer pins and bushings, idler arm, center control arms, tie rod ends, drag link ends, steering and pitman arms, gear box mounting, rack and pinion mounting, steering column mounting or steering wheel shaft mounting; the coupler or universal between gear box and steering column is frayed or cracked; the adjustable column lock or latch does not hold the column securely; the steering shock damper displays visible leakage or is missing or broken."

From CR79 page 79.21-5

Note what's missing from that section..........yep.............you guessed it...................BALL JOINTS ;).  Believe it or not, they are NOT an inspection item.

I know, I know..........but the law explicitly states 2/32", so that's what we go by.

Ya I know, don't worry it wasn't my car it was a bike when I first took delivery. got stroked on my way to the dealer for service. If you can believe it, The two times I've managed to get tickets for expired inspection, both times I was going directly to have the inspection done, and both times it was literally the first chance that I physically had to get the car/bike to the inspection short of flat bedding the damn thing. The other time was on my way back to NY from GA where the inspection had long since expired while down south. I managed to get a stopped for an inspection literally within an hour of the car re-entering the state for the first time in 3 years, at the tail end of a 13 hour drive. at the gd damn midtown tunnel ffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu..

I have to give the guy credit though, even though I kept my mouth completely shut, he wrote up the cite even though it was 100 percent obvious from the 600 pounds of crap riding next to me in my little 2 seater as well as my out of state DL  that I obviously wasn't lying about my story, but much more impressive was that he wrote up the whole thing was staring directly at the Hospital placcard that was affixed directly next to inspection sticker which said in very large bold print, the name of the major level one truama hospital that was located about 6 blocks from where we were stopped and the fact that is indicated 'Trauma Team' in huge bold print alongside it.

either very brave or perhaps not very smart or possibly very very dedicated to meeting his monthly 'requirement' as the unofficial toll collector that he was.