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Posted: 5/27/2009 10:52:36 AM EST
Link Posted: 5/27/2009 11:38:52 AM EST
very nice .

john
Link Posted: 5/28/2009 12:15:05 AM EST
Really pleased with mine from SF. Functions with everything put through it so far. Got me thinking about designing suitable targets and a course of fire for these Mini ARs, not practical but multi-postion precision shooting (similar to CSR but without any running around) shooting at 50 to 25 yards.
Link Posted: 5/28/2009 12:26:39 AM EST
Originally Posted By RN-Submariner:
Really pleased with mine from SF. Functions with everything put through it so far. Got me thinking about designing suitable targets and a course of fire for these Mini ARs, not practical but multi-postion precision shooting (similar to CSR but without any running around) shooting at 50 to 25 yards.


Sounds interesting..........................they'd probably be ok in a FIBUA type cof though.
Link Posted: 5/28/2009 7:26:40 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/28/2009 7:27:10 AM EST by streetfighter]
Link Posted: 5/28/2009 9:04:43 AM EST
How about this for a first stab at a CoF:

Timed Precision

Distance 50 or 25 yards/meters as available.
Ten individual circular targets, 1 shot on each in 60 secs, scoring 2 MOA = 5pts, 4 MOA = 4pts

Sitting Rapid

Distance 50 or 25 yards/meters as available.
2 Square Targets, 5 shots on each in 25 seconds starting from the standing position, scoring 2 MOA = 5pts, 4 MOA = 4pts

Double Snap

Distance 50 or 25 yards/meters as available.
Starting from the prone position, five individual rectangular targets, short end horizontal, divided into two square 2 MOA segments. Five exposures of 3 Seconds, 2 shots each exposure 1 shot in each segment, each hit scores 5 pts, any target without a hit in each segment scores 0.

Prone Rapid

Distance 50 or 25 yards/meters as available.
2 Square Targets, 5 shots on each in 20 seconds starting from the standing position, scoring 2 MOA = 5pts, 4 MOA = 4pts

Multi Position

Distance 50 or 25 yards/meters as available.
2 shots from each position on a single target scoring 2 MOA = 5pts, 4 MOA = 4pts in 120 seconds starting standing, then squat, kneel, sit and prone.

Standing Snap

25 yards/meters
Five 3 second exposures 2 shots each exposure from standing scoring 2 MOA = 5pts, 4 MOA = 4pts

HPS = 300

Scoring zones might be a bit tight but as the rifles are semi-auto they should be acheivable with a bit of practice and we don't want everyone getting 10 Wash.



Link Posted: 5/28/2009 9:07:47 AM EST
This is another suitable mini semi-auto rifle match as well

Match RI302 – Reflexive Fire

Stage 1

Range:25 yards - Standing
Shots:12 – 1 x Magazine 12 Rounds
Targets:4 x FIG 11 pistol targets
Timing:4 exposures of 4 seconds, minimum interval of 7 seconds

1st exposure engage target 1 with 2 shots in the torso region then 1 shot in the facial scoring area. The 2nd, 3rd and 4th exposure is the same as the 1st exposure on targets 2, 3 and 4. Facial hits are worth five points. Excessive facial hits are worth two points each. A hit inside the facial area is required to receive a score on the target

Scoring: Maximum of 60 points (15 points per target)

Stage 2

Range:25 yards - Standing
Shots:24 – 1 x Magazine of 24 Rounds
Targets:4 x FIG 11 pistol targets
Timing:4 exposures, one each of 7 secs, 6 secs, 5 secs, and 4 secs with a minimum 7 second intervals.

1st exposure engage targets 1, 2, 3, and 4 left to right, placing one shot on each target, return to target 1 for the last two shots, in 7 seconds.
2nd exposure repeat firing sequence of first exposure in 6 seconds.
3rd exposure participants engage targets 2, 3, 4, with two rounds each in 5 seconds.
4th exposure repeat firing sequence of 3rd exposure in 4 seconds.

Scoring: Maximum of 120 points (should be 6 hits per target max 30 points each)
Link Posted: 5/28/2009 9:27:16 AM EST
Looks nice, .22LR is ok for semi-auto over there, correct?
Link Posted: 5/28/2009 9:32:56 AM EST
Correct! It's the only calibre that you are allowed in semi-auto (excluding shotguns)
Link Posted: 5/28/2009 11:18:30 AM EST
Our classic (pistol) terrain-shoot goes over 7-8 stations, each with 4 or 5 targets, some of them move or get exchanged after say 3 seconds, so you have to be a bit tactical about how you shoot them. Distances from 10 to 120 meters. Has to be shot in (typically) 10 seconds (.22) or 12 seconds (.32-.38 /9 mm). You walk between stations and the whole thing including a final speed-shoot (5 targets at approx 25 meters hit them as fast as you can from the Beeeep!) takes around 2,5 hours. excersize and shooting- wonderful combination!
Here's some pictures from the last match: pistol-terrain 23 may 09 -spot the camo!
Soren
Link Posted: 5/28/2009 11:40:46 AM EST
All looks good to me....................but I'm not picky, I just like to shoot.........
Link Posted: 5/28/2009 1:11:54 PM EST
Link Posted: 5/29/2009 3:40:01 AM EST
Originally Posted By Bunnyassassin:
Opinions / suggestions on scope choice for it.... plinking and bunny bashing will be the main fare...


A low variable mag compact optic, something like a 1-4x24 . Ideally an S&B Shortdot or similar, although I believe Optima and Docter also do some very acceptable scopes of this type.

Speaking as a cheapskate I went for an MTC 1-4x24 Mamba. Only downside is it's factory parallax adjusted for 100m, so inside that can get a bit blurry on small targets. Other than that it's fine
Link Posted: 5/29/2009 5:34:38 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/29/2009 5:38:12 AM EST by Wapinschaw_Shooter]
Originally Posted By Bunnyassassin:
Opinions / suggestions on scope choice for it.... plinking and bunny bashing will be the main fare...


Consider a 3-9 x40 variable. If you can stretch to a side focus model it is worth it, as Icarus points out some can can be blurry at higher magnification close up. I have a Bushnell Elite 3200 3 - 9 x 40 on a bolt action .22 and a Leopold equivalent for my .22 M4, there is nothing to choose between them for optical quality although the Bushnell is better at focusing on close up targets at higher magnifications.

Have a look at Airgun BBS Used Optics for Sale there is often a choice of good quality scopes on there.

Edited to add, I would avoid adjustable objective scopes, if you go the adjustable parallax route spend a bit more and get side focus, much more user-friendly.
Link Posted: 5/29/2009 5:53:19 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/29/2009 5:59:38 AM EST by steven_uk]
Nice shooter BA

I like the idea of mini-CSR too ! I currently shoot mini-rifle on a very casual basis, so would welcome another discipline to use the .22 AR.

As for optics, I'd like an S&B shortdot on both my .22AR & my CSR AR....my budget unfortunately doesnt agree....

I've currently got an Eotech 553 on the V22, so may look to add a magnifier or a cheaper 1-4x optic...

ETA - May try my 'spare' ACOG on the V22 if 4x isn't overklill for 25yards...
Link Posted: 5/29/2009 6:16:12 AM EST
Link Posted: 5/29/2009 6:36:53 AM EST
Originally Posted By streetfighter:

Originally Posted By steven_uk:
Nice shooter BA

I like the idea of mini-CSR too ! I currently shoot mini-rifle on a very casual basis, so would welcome another discipline to use the .22 AR.

As for optics, I'd like an S&B shortdot on both my .22AR & my CSR AR....my budget unfortunately doesnt agree....

I've currently got an Eotech 553 on the V22, so may look to add a magnifier or a cheaper 1-4x optic...

ETA - May try my 'spare' ACOG on the V22 if 4x isn't overklill for 25yards...
Then sell the fitty



I'll swap you a Shortdot for the Fifty...............



Link Posted: 5/29/2009 6:48:23 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/29/2009 6:48:45 AM EST by RN-Submariner]
I have two Short Dots: 1.1-4x 20 and a 1.5-6x20























But I don't want Fifty, Sorry

Link Posted: 5/29/2009 6:53:20 AM EST
Originally Posted By steven_uk:
Nice shooter BA

I like the idea of mini-CSR too ! I currently shoot mini-rifle on a very casual basis, so would welcome another discipline to use the .22 AR.

As for optics, I'd like an S&B shortdot on both my .22AR & my CSR AR....my budget unfortunately doesnt agree....

I've currently got an Eotech 553 on the V22, so may look to add a magnifier or a cheaper 1-4x optic...see if you can try both first. Personally I don't like magnifiers on dot sights, which aren't precision sighting systems anyway. They are great for snap/CQB stuff but for precision imho you can't beat a proper optic.

ETA - May try my 'spare' ACOG on the V22 if 4x isn't overklill for 25yards...
..okay prone but 4x is a lot of wobble at 25yards.............unless you're shooting at barn doors of course....

Link Posted: 5/29/2009 7:33:59 AM EST
Sell the fifty !?!?! Never What's the going rate for a kidney ?
Link Posted: 5/29/2009 8:52:17 AM EST
Originally Posted By steven_uk:
Sell the fifty !?!?! Never What's the going rate for a kidney ?


Yours or someone else's.?...........
Link Posted: 5/29/2009 9:01:18 AM EST
What is an achievable level of accuracy with a semi-auto .22LR relatively slow fire at 50 yards in MOA?

Just working out what size scoring rings to have on my Mini CSR type targets project, targets will be black/grey with an ochre backgound.
Link Posted: 5/29/2009 9:37:25 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/29/2009 9:37:57 AM EST by steven_uk]
Originally Posted By IcarusY625:
Originally Posted By steven_uk:
Sell the fifty !?!?! Never What's the going rate for a kidney ?


Yours or someone else's.?...........


Well, I am going paintballing next week, so I'll have to see.....
Link Posted: 5/29/2009 12:34:15 PM EST
Originally Posted By IcarusY625:
Originally Posted By steven_uk:
Nice shooter BA

I like the idea of mini-CSR too ! I currently shoot mini-rifle on a very casual basis, so would welcome another discipline to use the .22 AR.

As for optics, I'd like an S&B shortdot on both my .22AR & my CSR AR....my budget unfortunately doesnt agree....

I've currently got an Eotech 553 on the V22, so may look to add a magnifier or a cheaper 1-4x optic...see if you can try both first. Personally I don't like magnifiers on dot sights, which aren't precision sighting systems anyway. They are great for snap/CQB stuff but for precision imho you can't beat a proper optic.

ETA - May try my 'spare' ACOG on the V22 if 4x isn't overklill for 25yards...
..okay prone but 4x is a lot of wobble at 25yards.............unless you're shooting at barn doors of course....



Do you ever make it to the CSR matches Steven? Are you anywhere near Gloucestershire? I've got an Eotech X 4 magnifier if you want to try one out before you buy...

Link Posted: 5/29/2009 1:07:29 PM EST
Originally Posted By RN-Submariner:
What is an achievable level of accuracy with a semi-auto .22LR relatively slow fire at 50 yards in MOA?

Just working out what size scoring rings to have on my Mini CSR type targets project, targets will be black/grey with an ochre backgound.


..minute of barn door..........................or you could get your lad to show you
Link Posted: 5/29/2009 2:19:08 PM EST
Link Posted: 5/29/2009 11:05:24 PM EST
Originally Posted By streetfighter:

Originally Posted By RN-Submariner:
What is an achievable level of accuracy with a semi-auto .22LR relatively slow fire at 50 yards in MOA?

Just working out what size scoring rings to have on my Mini CSR type targets project, targets will be black/grey with an ochre backgound.

I would say possibly 3 MOA for starters.

If that's to generous then it can be reduced later


Never having had a .22 based on the AR platform, I have a question..........

In terms of accuracy, is it comparable to a heavy barrelled Ruger 10/22 ?



Link Posted: 5/29/2009 11:23:28 PM EST
at least as good I loved mine it broke my heart to sell it

Nick
Link Posted: 5/30/2009 3:59:21 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/30/2009 4:00:23 AM EST by RN-Submariner]
I would have thought the likes of Spikes Tactical and Tacsol uppers would be as good as a heavey barrelled Ruger, SFs bespoke jobs are probably a lot better and as good as any custom Ruger.
Link Posted: 5/30/2009 7:22:17 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/30/2009 7:22:46 AM EST by Fluffy-Bunny]
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Link Posted: 5/30/2009 7:44:15 AM EST
Originally Posted By Fluffy-Bunny:
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Link Posted: 6/1/2009 10:04:30 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/1/2009 10:05:09 PM EST by timlad07]
Originally Posted By Bunnyassassin:
Opinions / suggestions on scope choice for it.... plinking and bunny bashing will be the main fare...




Looks the Buisness Dave.

as for optics, another reason I got the NXS 2.5-10 X 24 is that I use the 22LR coversion unit
in my Carbine, so the scope serves both puposes.

I would be well up for and willing to travel for some kind of comp for 22 cal AR's
Link Posted: 6/16/2009 9:27:14 AM EST
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