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Posted: 6/8/2009 11:13:09 AM EST
I only caught part of it as I drove back to work from lunch, but it was saying something about a ban on (possibly folding) knives at the behest of the Border Patrol. Anyone catch the whole thing and care to clue me in?
Link Posted: 6/8/2009 11:20:15 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/8/2009 11:28:11 AM EST by Face_N_The_Crowd]
I just saw this about an hour ago on another site and it looks like someone else lifted it from yet a third site so I have no idea if this is correct but it sure looks like it: It also looks like it could cover ANY knife that could be opened with one hand - spring or no spring.

Pulled from another site:

June 4, 2009

Beware! That folding knife in your pocket may turn you into a criminal if the Obama administration gets its way. Although there has been a lot of fear and speculation that the new administration wants to take your guns, the most pressing threat now is actually to your pocket knives. With the changing of the guard at U.S. Customs, that agency has now embarked on redefining "switchblades" under federal law to include a wide variety of one hand opening knives that never were intended to be prohibited. In fact, many of the knives U.S. Customs now seek to prohibit under the Federal Switchblade Law had not even been invented at the time of its enactment! Furthermore, four previous U.S. Customs ruling letters (prior administrations) specifically determined "assisted opening" knives not to be defined as switchblades.

This new proposed U.S. Customs regulation is so broad that thousands of pocket knives will fall under its sweep and millions of knife owners will be affected. The problem is not simply that imports will be banned (which is bad enough), but that the "agency determination" will be used by domestic courts and law enforcement to determine what a "switchblade" is under both federal and state laws. Many states, including New Hampshire, fail to define switchblades and simply rely on the federal definition.

Luckily, the two premiere knife organizations in the US, American Knife and Tool Institute (AKTI) and Kniferights.org, are fighting hard on this issue, but they both need your immediate help. Customs is attempting to jam this new regulation though at record speed.

As stated on the http://www.kniferights.org website:

U.S. Customs has proposed revoking earlier rulings that assisted opening knives are not switchblades. The proposed new rule would not only outlaw assisted opening knives its broad definition could also easily be interpreted to include one-handed opening knives and even most other pocket knives.

Note that customs interpretation of the Federal Switchblade Act forms the basis for national, state and even local law and judicial rulings in many cases. The effect is NOT limited to just imports.



As stated on the http://www.akti.org website:

URGENT NEWS - U.S. Customs Proposal would characterize assisted-openers as switchblade knives and jeopardize all pocket knives. On behalf of the entire sporting knife industry and knife owners across the country, AKTI will be filing an official response to U.S. Customs.

This is the biggest threat to American knife owners in U.S. history. AKTI informs us that this "Customs' proposal will make criminal out of 35.6 million Americans."



AKTI further states:

U.S. Customs proposes to bypass Congress and expand the switchblade definition to include all knives that open with one hand. These include multi-tools, traditional pocket knives, one-hand openers, and assisted-openers.

More than 35.6 million law-abiding Americans now own one-hand-opening knives in one of the above four categories.



The U.S. Customs proposed new rule and the four prior letters they want to overturn can be read in their entirety here: http://www.akti.org/PDFS/U.S.C...msProposedRuling.pdf

AKTI suggests that to register your opposition to the U.S. Customs'plan (19 CFR Part 177) to re-classify assisted openers and all folding knives; address your comments by June 21, 2009, to:

19 CFR Part 177
U.S. Customs and Border Protection
Office of International Trade, Regulations and Rulings
Attention: Intellectual Property and Restricted Merchandise Branch
Mint Annex, 799 Ninth St. N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20229

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Followed by this (which I found here: http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1066113 ):

––––-Forwarded Message––––-
From: Sue Ritter
Sent: May 31, 2009 4:00 PM
To: mailto:members@kniferights.org
Cc: mailto:sritter@kniferights.org
Subject: Proposed U.S Rule Could Make Many Pocketknives Illegal

PROPOSED U.S. RULE WOULD MAKE MANY POCKETKNIVES ILLEGAL


This email is just a heads up to Knife Rights members and supporters about a very critical and important development that jeopardizes your right to own and carry pocket knives. PLEASE DO NOT ACT YET! Word is reaching the street via forums and other means and we want to make sure the true facts are known as there are many inaccurate rumors circulating. Many of the emails we have received are inaccurate or full of hyperbole. Any knee jerk or inappropriate reaction will endanger our cause, not help it. Please wait until your organization has developed appropriate and effective responses in order that you are taken seriously by the relevant authorities. I cannot overemphasize how critical this is, DO NOT WRITE YET, PLEASE!

Now, on to the issue:

U.S. Customs just about a week ago proposed revoking earlier rulings and years of precedence that assisted opening knives are not switchblades; that, in and of itself is bad enough. However, the proposed new rule would not only outlaw assisted opening knives, its overly broad new interpretation of what is a switchblade (automatic) knife could also easily be interpreted to include all one-handed opening knives and even most other pocket knives. All knife owners could be impacted by this ill-conceived change to existing policy. We will have much more information on the historical issues and the like in coming days as we organize our response.

Please note that Customs' interpretation of the Federal Switchblade Act forms the basis for national, state and even local law and judicial rulings in many cases. The effect is NOT limited to just imports. This would be a devastating blow to our rights and to the entire knife making community. It has the potential to make criminals of millions of law-abiding citizens and put thousands of workers on the street. This is no joke, this is not just hype, and this is the real thing.

Knife Rights, in cooperation with AKTI and the affected knife manufacturers, is formulating a well-reasoned and effective response. We will all be asking for an extension to the ridiculously short 30-day comment period. We anticipate that some extension will be granted, hopefully for a meaningful period. Part of the reason for the extension is to allow us to adequately inform and advise the millions of knife owners who might be affected. PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND JUST YET. This would be extremely counterproductive. We still have plenty of time to do this right and stop this travesty, but we must proceed intelligently and at the correct time with the best possible arguments. DO NOT JUMP THE GUN!

Within the next week we will post a sample letter and talking points for your use. At that time we will ask you to write and MAKE YOUR VOICES HEARD! Please, do not respond earlier, it will be extremely counterproductive.

In the meantime, we are making the full 63 page document available to you to read for yourself. Again, while we understand your frustration, please do not write just yet.
http://www.kniferights.org/U%20S%20Cust ... Knives.pdf

This is the reason why Knife Rights exists; this is why we formed the organization. We didn't know where or how the attack would come, but we knew it was only a matter of time. We are here for you and will keep you informed.

Doug Ritter
mailto:dritter@KnifeRights.org

Have you signed up? Go to: http://www.KnifeRights.org
Protecting your right to own and carry knives and tools


[i]
Link Posted: 6/8/2009 12:58:20 PM EST
Well gee I'll just keep on carrying my GLOCK and Fox Labs and swap out the folder for a fixed blade. How do you like me NOW customs?




Seriously though, this is not the first I've heard of this today, and all I have to say is: fuck that noise.




Link Posted: 6/8/2009 2:19:41 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/8/2009 2:45:40 PM EST by GelFreak91]
. . .
Link Posted: 6/8/2009 2:45:27 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/8/2009 4:07:11 PM EST by GelFreak91]
Knife Rights and individual folding pocket knife owners lack the financial and legal resources and other expertise immediately available to respond appropriately in the initial short comment period. We estimate that it will take at least 45-60 days for our volunteer legal experts and advisors to develop an adequate understanding of the contents of this proposal, the sophisticated legal issues and potential economic issues and write full and unbiased explanations of the potential ramifications, provide answers and counter arguments where applicable to the rationales presented by CBP in support of their Proposal and present facts and draft articles for publication and a full and complete response that is likely to number many tens, if not hundreds of pages. Until this information is available for knife owners to review, they cannot adequately assess the true impact of this complicated ruling, so they cannot therefore adequately comprehend and understand this Proposal in order that they may provide a fully informed response to CBP.


The above statement is proof why a link to the article and pre-generated letter should be posted on everyone's facebook, myspace, twitter, whatever you use.

Lets get the word out about this.


CALL
CBP
Chief Counsel
Alfonso Robles
(202) 344-2990

Policy & Planning
David Pagan (acting)
(202) 344-2700
Link Posted: 6/8/2009 3:04:15 PM EST
So fucked up. They don't want me to carry a pocket knife now, hunh? What the hell is going on in this country?
Link Posted: 6/8/2009 9:29:46 PM EST
So... will there be pre-ban kinves? Should I stock up?

Link Posted: 6/8/2009 11:43:59 PM EST
"when it's time to bury your knives it's time to use them"?
Link Posted: 6/9/2009 4:32:10 AM EST
Originally Posted By GackMan:
Should I stock up?



Yes.
Link Posted: 6/9/2009 5:42:03 AM EST
Should I stock up?



THIS every time with every thing... BHO and the crew will wanna take it all away eventually. It's well past time to start stocking up...

Link Posted: 6/9/2009 8:04:56 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/9/2009 8:07:37 PM EST by munkalido]
Originally Posted By FE427TP:
"when it's time to bury your knives it's time to use them"?


for the non-pussy, THIS!!
Link Posted: 6/10/2009 8:46:21 AM EST
nice, so now everyone that stocks up on ammo and rifles is a pussy? who needs enemies...
Link Posted: 6/10/2009 1:45:23 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/10/2009 1:46:06 PM EST by GackMan]
5 years from now you'll be able to buy a rusty SOG with a worn out spring and the tip busted off on a table at a gun show for $300.

How much will a microtech go for?


Here's my fixed blade knife... see, opens with one hand!
Link Posted: 6/10/2009 3:47:54 PM EST
I have a few spring assist Kershaw's, but I do like your point... I need a handful of nice fixed-blades now.
Link Posted: 6/11/2009 3:35:15 PM EST
I just received this from Benchmade.

U.S. Customs Wants To Ban Your Pocket Knife

Dear JACK LEGG,

Benchmade Knife Company, in support with The American Knife and Tool Institute (AKTI) opposes U.S. Customs' attempt to classify assisted-opening knives and all one-hand-opening knives as switchblades.

U.S. Customs proposes to bypass Congress and expand the switchblade definition to include all knives that open with one hand. These include multi-tools, traditional pocket knives, one-hand openers, and assisted-openers.

More than 35 million law-abiding Americans now own one-hand-opening knives in one of the above four categories.

The majority of Americans who carry and use one-hand-openers every day need them for their jobs. They use them to save lives as well as for scores of recreational activities.

If U.S. Customs succeeds, it could lead to effectively banning all folding knives from interstate commerce.

We're asking you to register your opposition to the U.S. Customs' plan (19 CFR Part 177) to re-classify assisted openers and all folding knives.


Please address your comments to arrive at Customs by June 21, 2009.

19 CFR Part 177
U.S. Customs and Border Protection
Office of International Trade, Regulations and Rulings
Attention: Intellectual Property and Restricted Merchandise Branch
Mint Annex, 799 Ninth St. N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20229

Please also express your concerns to your state Senators and representatives.

For more information on this issue, visit:

www.akti.org and www.kniferights.org


Click here for model letters that can be downloaded and personalized with your story:

http://akti.org/legislation/uscustoms.html
or

http://www.kniferights.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=79&Itemid=29


Sincerely,

Team Benchmade
"It's not just a knife... It's a Benchmade"
Link Posted: 6/12/2009 4:27:18 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/17/2009 8:53:47 AM EST by munkalido]
Originally Posted By benjio:
nice, so now everyone that stocks up on ammo and rifles is a pussy? who needs enemies...


No, those that bury their weapons and ammo are pussy's. Those that keep them ready are Patriots. From the smell of your post, I can guess which you are.




ETA: BTW, who said anything about being a pussy for stocking up? No offence but you remind me of an idiot. Or someone who’s reading comprehension is impaired…or both.
Link Posted: 6/12/2009 5:02:16 PM EST
Link Posted: 6/12/2009 7:54:35 PM EST
This reminds me of a story of how a conquered people were forbidden from owning knives by their rulers thousands of years ago...

The story I am thinking of is found in I Samuel 13:19-22:


"Now there was no smith found throughout all the land of Israel: for the Philistines said, 'Lest the Hebrews make them swords or spears.' But all the Israelites went down to the Philistines to sharpen every man his share, and his coulter, and his axe, and his mattock... So it came to pass in the day of battle, that there was neither sword nor spear found in the hand of any of the people..."



Link Posted: 6/14/2009 12:28:27 PM EST
but the knife makers will still be selling to "special" people (LEO, gov, mil) won't they? Just like they do with firearms today.

Maybe if they got together and told the feds "no knives for you" then that might be more effective.

But why would you expect multi-millionaire business owners to give two shits about the common people?
Link Posted: 6/16/2009 4:13:22 PM EST
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, except by the whim of the several states or federal regulators, in a manner prescribed by law."

This is the Second Amendment of our "Living Constitution."

I bet our Founders are so proud.
Link Posted: 6/16/2009 7:06:18 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/16/2009 8:21:55 PM EST by benjio]
Originally Posted By munkalido:
Originally Posted By benjio:
nice, so now everyone that stocks up on ammo and rifles is a pussy? who needs enemies...


No, those that bury their weapons and ammo are pussy's. Those that keep them ready are Patriots. From the smell of your post, I can guess which you are.





hhhhmmmm, so you got a scratch 'n sniff computer, eh? that's cool. like i said, with friends like you, who needs enemies?

seriously, I guess I just don't get some of you guys. If you're joking, then cool, whatever. Why would you be so dogmatic as to jump to the conclusion that i'd bury my guns? And then be an ass about it here of all places. I "stockpile" stuff so I have it when i need it... It's in a safe, not in the dirt.

And as for the spring assist knives, I have one clipped in my pocket anytime i've got pants on...

besides, I don't have anything left to bury, it all fell out of my friend's canoe last week...


AND, just ask the Britons how gun control went, it worked so well people started stabbing each other more so they started banning knives of certain lengths and anything with a point, right...
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