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Posted: 1/26/2009 7:41:17 AM EDT
A question for you folks along the border, the Houston Chronicle ran a story that made it sound like Juarez is a city in near anarchy and Mexico is on the verge of total collapse into a narco/terrorist state......is it really that bad or is this just typical news media BS???
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 7:47:34 AM EDT
I used to live in El Paso and grew up going over the border as a kid. I wouldn't step foot over there now.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 8:47:22 AM EDT
Yes it is!!!
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 9:08:35 AM EDT
i would not go if you paid me, everything you can get there you can get here in the US.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 9:15:28 AM EDT
You don't see tourism commercials for Juarez for a good reason.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 9:15:33 AM EDT
I haven't lost a damn thing over there. Lots of murders and kidnappings. You couldn't drag me over there. That said I know people who go over there to get dental work done and have not had a problem. Personally I would stay away.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 9:23:02 AM EDT
hhmmmm....i need a lot of dental work done....
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 9:30:44 AM EDT
They come and pick you up in El Paso and take you across and bring you back when your done. Supposed to be a lot cheaper and good work.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 9:35:21 AM EDT
Anyone who voted for the One should go as they are safe, in fact I encourage it!

Link Posted: 1/26/2009 9:36:45 AM EDT
I have no plans (or desire) to go, I was just curious if it was really that bad....I grew up in San Angelo and had family in Alpine and El Paso when I was a kid......
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 9:51:55 AM EDT
When reading the news stories about killings, kidnappings, etc., bear in mind that tens of thousands of Americans cross the Juarez bridges into Mexico every day - and only a very, very small percentage of them fail to make it back. Statistically speaking, you're probably at greater risk of dieing of food poisoning from eating Cabrito at a restaurant on the Mexican side...
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 10:56:49 AM EDT
Yes.  One of my battle buddies managed to get his and his other friends ass kicked and lost their wallets.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 11:48:29 AM EDT
I grew up on both sides of the border.

It's just plain dangerous over there these days (yes, it's more so than it was 15+ years ago, though it wasn't 100% safe then either).  It's been a long time since I recommended anyone going across the Texas border to Mexico.

The way I say it is this:  sure you could go over there and nothing bad could happen (this is what will probably happen)... but more than any time in recent history, things could go wrong in a big hurry... in which case you'd be totally fucked, and nobody could do jack shit to help you.  If you think it's worth taking the chance, go for it.  There is a reason why many of those border cities have higher murder rates than big U.S. urban centers like Houston etc.  Situational awareness or being streetwise can help a little, but when the SHTF (and it can in a hurry, trust me on that one) it doesn't matter how much of a badass you think you are (unless you can bust out your wonder woman bracelets and deflect 7.62x39).
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 3:08:22 PM EDT
I believe that pretty much sums it up from one who knows.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 3:16:47 PM EDT
I haven't crossed the border since the late sixties when I was stationed in Del Rio, back then the biggest worry was ending up in a Mexican jail.  Looks like it's a lot closer to a war zone now........sad to see our world going this way.....
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 5:58:30 PM EDT
i would tell anyone i care about not to go across the border for anything.saving a few dollars is not worth losing a life.as far as dental work,at one of our last safety meetings here in the oil patch,our safety man said they do not use proper sterilizing techniques,even re-use tools and equipment. he has heard of people getting hepatitus b,and c,and also hiv virus. it is not worth the chance,stay in the USA.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 6:06:56 PM EDT
I've heard the rumors about the Mexican government possibly collapsing from all the turmoil and considering all the corruption it wouldn't surprise me.  On the radio the other morning I heard one of our Texas congressmen (can't remember his name), that was actually born in Mexico, say he believes it could happen.  He blames it on the drug cartels and then inturn chose to blame it all on Americans and their drug addiction.  Although I think one could blame it on the socialist government where the rich (drug dealers and government officials) get richer while the poor get poorer.  Anyway, I won't go across the border.  I don't even feel that safe going to any of the border towns on this side, but unfortunately I have to due to my job.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 6:13:01 PM EDT
Depends on what part of Mexico you are in.  The northern towns are bad and in major trouble, specifically places like Monterrey and popular border towns.

However in central Mexico I've found that they are just extremely poor.  Everyone is generally nice, the police is somewhat corrupt but crime isn't near as bad in the central area.  Once you drive farther south towards Mexico City you start experiencing more crime.  In the southern most areas of Mexico you have rebel factions that fight the military.  Often police barricades will be setup down there and the only way to pass is to bribe them.

Other then that Mexico is great.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 6:37:02 PM EDT
My only reason for going.

About an hour from my house.

Link Posted: 1/26/2009 7:09:33 PM EDT
There were something like 900 murders in Juarez alone within the last 12 months according to what was put out to us at work. Number seems high to me, I'm just going off what I was told by the boss.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 7:51:36 PM EDT
I go to school with 2 people from there.  They live in El Paso.  Neither will cross the state line anymore because it so bad.  And one of them is as mexican as you can get, and has family over there and they won't go visit them.  When he was home over christmas he said 12 were killed in a hospital when gunmen when in to finish off a wounded drug dealer.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 9:08:25 PM EDT
There were something like 900 murders in Juarez alone within the last 12 months according to what was put out to us at work. Number seems high to me, I'm just going off what I was told by the boss.

To put that in some reasonable perspective:

How many of those 900 murders were American visitors?

How many hundreds of thousands of Americans visited Juarez during that same 12 month period?
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 9:47:16 PM EDT
You can get cheap dental work here, or sometimes even free, at one of the dental schools, and it is all supervised by the teachers or practicing dental doctors.
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