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Posted: 7/20/2010 8:30:03 AM EST
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 8:38:13 AM EST
[#1]
Pretty much the same as here then ?

Reasonable force etc.

Was not aware of that "requirement to retreat" though.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 12:25:39 PM EST
[#2]
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Pretty much the same as here then ?

Reasonable force etc.

Was not aware of that "requirement to retreat" though.



We also have 'pre-emptive strike'....

Link Posted: 7/20/2010 12:42:52 PM EST
[#3]
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 12:51:34 PM EST
[#4]
Quoted:

Quoted:
Quoted:
Pretty much the same as here then ?

Reasonable force etc.

Was not aware of that "requirement to retreat" though.



We also have 'pre-emptive strike'....

Can you elaborate please

 


Essentially if you have an honestly held belief that you or another are under imminent threat, then you can strike the first blow. You do not have to wait until you are under attack to begin defending yourself or another. There is no duty in law to retreat, although it may be prudent.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 12:52:03 PM EST
[#5]
Quoted:

Quoted:
Quoted:
Pretty much the same as here then ?

Reasonable force etc.

Was not aware of that "requirement to retreat" though.



We also have 'pre-emptive strike'....

Can you elaborate please

 


I believe it is a catered for in law that should you have compelling evidence that you are about to be assaulted, you have the right under law to strike first.

Part of self defense training sets out certain behaviours and circumstances where  you can act in self defence before the assault takes place.

For example...... if somone chucks a whitey, balls their fist, drops their shoulder and looks at you through their eyebrows you can be faily certain that they are about to plant you one.

The other one is if someone breaks into your home at night and you encounter them upstairs in your bedroom it is reasonable to assume that your life may be in danger and you can strike first, ask questions later.

Similarly if someone comes at you with a weapon of some sort and there is clear intent in your mind that they are about to inflict injury upon you, you can act in self defence and deliver a pre-emptive strike.


The problem comes in proving it in a court of law..... and then being able to demonstrate that you delivered only reasonable force after the fact......


I'm probably wrong, but that's what we were taught in the "school of confronting baddies"

Icarus will probably shoot me down in flames..... not literally I hope.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 12:55:07 PM EST
[#6]
Our self defence laws are, despite what press/media would have you believe, actually pretty good. It's the interpretation & application under our skewed judicial system that lets us down.....
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 12:57:13 PM EST
[#7]
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Our self defence laws are, despite what press/media would have you believe, actually pretty good. It's the interpretation & application under our skewed judicial system that lets us down.....


Yep........ abuse of interpretation.


In the UK we often back solid law with ambiguous guidance, cripling framework directives, and political influence.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 12:58:25 PM EST
[#8]
Quoted:
Quoted:

Quoted:
Quoted:
Pretty much the same as here then ?

Reasonable force etc.

Was not aware of that "requirement to retreat" though.



We also have 'pre-emptive strike'....

Can you elaborate please

 


I believe it is a catered for in law that should you have compelling evidence that you are about to be assaulted, you have the right under law to strike first.

Part of self defense training sets out certain behaviours and circumstances where  you can act in self defence before the assault takes place.

For example...... if somone chucks a whitey, balls their fist, drops their shoulder and looks at you through their eyebrows you can be faily certain that they are about to plant you one.

The other one is if someone breaks into your home at night and you encounter them upstairs in your bedroom it is reasonable to assume that your life may be in danger and you can strike first, ask questions later.

Similarly if someone comes at you with a weapon of some sort and there is clear intent in your mind that they are about to inflict injury upon you, you can act in self defence and deliver a pre-emptive strike.


The problem comes in proving it in a court of law..... and then being able to demonstrate that you delivered only reasonable force after the fact......


I'm probably wrong, but that's what we were taught in the "school of confronting baddies"

Icarus will probably shoot me down in flames..... not literally I hope.


Sounds about right..
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 1:00:23 PM EST
[#9]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:

Quoted:
Quoted:
Pretty much the same as here then ?

Reasonable force etc.

Was not aware of that "requirement to retreat" though.



We also have 'pre-emptive strike'....

Can you elaborate please

 


I believe it is a catered for in law that should you have compelling evidence that you are about to be assaulted, you have the right under law to strike first.

Part of self defense training sets out certain behaviours and circumstances where  you can act in self defence before the assault takes place.

For example...... if somone chucks a whitey, balls their fist, drops their shoulder and looks at you through their eyebrows you can be faily certain that they are about to plant you one.

The other one is if someone breaks into your home at night and you encounter them upstairs in your bedroom it is reasonable to assume that your life may be in danger and you can strike first, ask questions later.

Similarly if someone comes at you with a weapon of some sort and there is clear intent in your mind that they are about to inflict injury upon you, you can act in self defence and deliver a pre-emptive strike.


The problem comes in proving it in a court of law..... and then being able to demonstrate that you delivered only reasonable force after the fact......


I'm probably wrong, but that's what we were taught in the "school of confronting baddies"

Icarus will probably shoot me down in flames..... not literally I hope.


Sounds about right..


Wooot

I'm still current.......


No refreshers for me next month..... my mate the copper with a gun says I'm GTG
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 8:49:31 PM EST
[#10]
I,ve always thought that my wife and child WILL come first , over any intruder. I would rather be judged by 12  men, than carried by six.
Link Posted: 7/21/2010 5:14:30 AM EST
[#11]
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I,ve always thought that my wife and child WILL come first , over any intruder. I would rather be judged by 12  men, than carried by six.


Having first made yourself aware of the questions that will be asked post event and the right answers to said questions.

Forewarned is forearmed or something like that.



Mark,

If you want a good example of a pre emptive strike - look at 1.24 on that music vid you uploaded.





Link Posted: 7/21/2010 6:57:46 AM EST
[#12]
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I,ve always thought that my wife and child WILL come first , over any intruder. I would rather be judged by 12  men, than carried by six.


Absoloutely, but you do have to justify your actions and show that they were reasonable in the circumstances, which is where the system gets silly and people can come unstuck.
Link Posted: 7/21/2010 6:20:29 PM EST
[#13]
Sounds like a bunch of BS over there. Maybe you guys need another one of these.....




just like we need another one of our version......


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