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Posted: 5/19/2005 1:53:25 PM EDT
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BILL REQUEST - CODE REVISER'S OFFICE
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BILL REQ. #: I-1857.1/05
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BRIEF DESCRIPTION:
1 AN ACT Relating to reducing the motor vehicle fuel tax rate;
2 amending RCW 82.36.025 and 46.68.090; and creating new sections.
3 BE IT ENACTED BY THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF WASHINGTON:
4 POLICIES AND PURPOSES
5 NEW SECTION. Sec. 1. In 2002 voters overwhelmingly rejected a
6 nine cent per gallon increase to the motor vehicle fuel tax rate.
7 Since that time, politicians have voted to increase the motor vehicle
8 fuel tax rate by fourteen and one-half cents per gallon. This measure
9 would repeal the most recent increase to the motor vehicle fuel tax
10 rate of nine and one-half cents.
11 REPEALING THE 9 AND ONE-HALF CENT INCREASE
12 IN THE MOTOR VEHICLE FUEL TAX RATE
13 Sec. 2. RCW 82.36.025 and 2005 c ... (ESSB 6103) s 101 are each
14 amended to read as follows:
15 (1) A motor vehicle fuel tax rate of twenty-three cents per gallon
16 applies to the sale, distribution, or use of motor vehicle fuel.
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1 (2) Beginning July 1, 2003, an additional and cumulative motor
2 vehicle fuel tax rate of five cents per gallon applies to the sale,
3 distribution, or use of motor vehicle fuel. This subsection (2)
4 expires when the bonds issued for transportation 2003 projects are
5 retired.
6 (((3) Beginning July 1, 2005, an additional and cumulative motor
7 vehicle fuel tax rate of three cents per gallon applies to the sale,
8 distribution, or use of motor vehicle fuel.
9 (4) Beginning July 1, 2006, an additional and cumulative motor
10 vehicle fuel tax rate of three cents per gallon applies to the sale,
11 distribution, or use of motor vehicle fuel.
12 (5) Beginning July 1, 2007, an additional and cumulative motor
13 vehicle fuel tax rate of two cents per gallon applies to the sale,
14 distribution, or use of motor vehicle fuel.
15 (6) Beginning July 1, 2008, an additional and cumulative motor
16 vehicle fuel tax rate of one and one-half cents per gallon applies to
17 the sale, distribution, or use of motor vehicle fuel.))
18 Sec. 3. RCW 46.68.090 and 2005 c ... (ESSB 6103) s 103 are each
19 amended to read as follows:
20 (1) All moneys that have accrued or may accrue to the motor vehicle
21 fund from the motor vehicle fuel tax and special fuel tax shall be
22 first expended for purposes enumerated in (a) and (b) of this
23 subsection. The remaining net tax amount shall be distributed monthly
24 by the state treasurer in accordance with subsections (2) through (7)
25 of this section.
26 (a) For payment of refunds of motor vehicle fuel tax and special
27 fuel tax that has been paid and is refundable as provided by law;
28 (b) For payment of amounts to be expended pursuant to
29 appropriations for the administrative expenses of the offices of state
30 treasurer, state auditor, and the department of licensing of the state
31 of Washington in the administration of the motor vehicle fuel tax and
32 the special fuel tax, which sums shall be distributed monthly.
33 (2) All of the remaining net tax amount collected under RCW
34 82.36.025(1) and 82.38.030(1) shall be distributed as set forth in (a)
35 through (j) of this section.
36 (a) For distribution to the motor vehicle fund an amount equal to
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1 44.387 percent to be expended for highway purposes of the state as
2 defined in RCW 46.68.130;
3 (b) For distribution to the special category C account, hereby
4 created in the motor vehicle fund, an amount equal to 3.2609 percent to
5 be expended for special category C projects. Special category C
6 projects are category C projects that, due to high cost only, will
7 require bond financing to complete construction.
8 The following criteria, listed in order of priority, shall be used
9 in determining which special category C projects have the highest
10 priority:
11 (i) Accident experience;
12 (ii) Fatal accident experience;
13 (iii) Capacity to move people and goods safely and at reasonable
14 speeds without undue congestion; and
15 (iv) Continuity of development of the highway transportation
16 network.
17 Moneys deposited in the special category C account in the motor
18 vehicle fund may be used for payment of debt service on bonds the
19 proceeds of which are used to finance special category C projects under
20 this subsection (2)(b);
21 (c) For distribution to the Puget Sound ferry operations account in
22 the motor vehicle fund an amount equal to 2.3283 percent;
23 (d) For distribution to the Puget Sound capital construction
24 account in the motor vehicle fund an amount equal to 2.3726 percent;
25 (e) For distribution to the urban arterial trust account in the
26 motor vehicle fund an amount equal to 7.5597 percent;
27 (f) For distribution to the transportation improvement account in
28 the motor vehicle fund an amount equal to 5.6739 percent and expended
29 in accordance with RCW 47.26.086;
30 (g) For distribution to the cities and towns from the motor vehicle
31 fund an amount equal to 10.6961 percent in accordance with RCW
32 46.68.110;
33 (h) For distribution to the counties from the motor vehicle fund an
34 amount equal to 19.2287 percent: (i) Out of which there shall be
35 distributed from time to time, as directed by the department of
36 transportation, those sums as may be necessary to carry out the
37 provisions of RCW 47.56.725; and (ii) less any amounts appropriated to
38 the county road administration board to implement the provisions of RCW
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1 47.56.725(4), with the balance of such county share to be distributed
2 monthly as the same accrues for distribution in accordance with RCW
3 46.68.120;
4 (i) For distribution to the county arterial preservation account,
5 hereby created in the motor vehicle fund an amount equal to 1.9565
6 percent. These funds shall be distributed by the county road
7 administration board to counties in proportions corresponding to the
8 number of paved arterial lane miles in the unincorporated area of each
9 county and shall be used for improvements to sustain the structural,
10 safety, and operational integrity of county arterials. The county road
11 administration board shall adopt reasonable rules and develop policies
12 to implement this program and to assure that a pavement management
13 system is used;
14 (j) For distribution to the rural arterial trust account in the
15 motor vehicle fund an amount equal to 2.5363 percent and expended in
16 accordance with RCW 36.79.020.
17 (3) The remaining net tax amount collected under RCW 82.36.025(2)
18 and 82.38.030(2) shall be distributed to the transportation 2003
19 account (nickel account).
20 (4) The remaining net tax amount collected under RCW ((82.36.025(3)
21 and)) 82.38.030(3) shall be distributed as follows:
22 (a) 8.3333 percent shall be distributed to the incorporated cities
23 and towns of the state in accordance with RCW 46.68.110;
24 (b) 8.3333 percent shall be distributed to counties of the state in
25 accordance with RCW 46.68.120; and
26 (c) The remainder shall be distributed to the transportation
27 partnership account created in RCW 46.68.--- (section 104, chapter ...
28 (ESSB 6103), Laws of 2005).
29 (5) The remaining net tax amount collected under RCW ((82.36.025(4)
30 and)) 82.38.030(4) shall be distributed as follows:
31 (a) 8.3333 percent shall be distributed to the incorporated cities
32 and towns of the state in accordance with RCW 46.68.110;
33 (b) 8.3333 percent shall be distributed to counties of the state in
34 accordance with RCW 46.68.120; and
35 (c) The remainder shall be distributed to the transportation
36 partnership account created in RCW 46.68.--- (section 104, chapter ...
37 (ESSB 6103), Laws of 2005).
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1 (6) The remaining net tax amount collected under RCW ((82.36.025
2 (5) and (6) and)) 82.38.030 (5) and (6) shall be distributed to the
3 transportation partnership account created in RCW 46.68.--- (section
4 104, chapter ... (ESSB 6103), Laws of 2005).
5 (7) Nothing in this section or in RCW 46.68.130 may be construed so
6 as to violate any terms or conditions contained in any highway
7 construction bond issues now or hereafter authorized by statute and
8 whose payment is by such statute pledged to be paid from any excise
9 taxes on motor vehicle fuel and special fuels.
10 MISCELLANEOUS
11 NEW SECTION. Sec. 4. The provisions of this act are to be
12 liberally construed to effectuate the intent, policies, and purposes of
13 this act.
14 NEW SECTION. Sec. 5. If any provision of this act or its
15 application to any person or circumstance is held invalid, the
16 remainder of the act or the application of the provision to other
17 persons or circumstances is not affected. If the repeal or reduction
18 of any tax in this act is judicially held to impair any contract in
19 existence as of the effective date of this act, any unused taxing
20 authority shall be repealed as of the effective date of this act and
21 the repeal of pledged revenues shall apply to any other contract,
22 including novation, renewal, or refunding (in the case of bond
23 contract).
24 NEW SECTION. Sec. 6. Part headings used in this act are not part
25 of the law.
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Link Posted: 5/19/2005 1:55:43 PM EDT
You knew it had to be on the way.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 2:01:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Boomer:
You knew it had to be on the way.



Dont matter, she will find some other way to F- us.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 2:01:44 PM EDT
912......
9 12........
9 1 2...........
9 1/2..............

HEY! thats how much the gas tax was going to be raised by!

Link Posted: 5/19/2005 6:30:13 PM EDT
That's what Kirby Wilbur said on the John Carlson show yesterday.


Originally Posted By PCR-00:
912......
9 12........
9 1 2...........
9 1/2..............

HEY! thats how much the gas tax was going to be raised by!


Link Posted: 5/19/2005 6:35:32 PM EDT
Keep following, your almost inside .
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 9:08:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By STRATIOTES:
Keep following, your almost inside .



If voting it down is a bad move, what is your answer Strat? I can't see many people being for this overall tax rape, and overthrow of Olympia is out for right now, so what do you see as a better option?
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 9:21:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Stickman:

Originally Posted By STRATIOTES:
Keep following, your almost inside .



If voting it down is a bad move, what is your answer Strat? I can't see many people being for this overall tax rape, and overthrow of Olympia is out for right now, so what do you see as a better option?



No one has ever voted themselves out of slavery, the first amendment is the first line of defense but when that is gone there is only the second, I fear people do not grasp that it is indeed time for the second amendment.


While in the war for independence only 3% were under arms at least 30% supported that 3%.

I believe freedom is worth fighting for.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 9:40:47 PM EDT
Is this an Eyeman initiative?
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 10:04:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Justin03R6:
Is this an Eyeman initiative?


no, i heard he previously didn' tthink it would work, this one is done by another group..name escapes me currently-too focused on school
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 12:04:58 AM EDT
STRAT,

50 years ago people said the same thing due to the changes they had seen. 50 years before them, the changes had disgusted those people as well. It goes on and on, and I don't have an answer.

I don't think we are at the point where a revolt needs to start, but I am working on moving farther away from people and getting some land.

Less people equals more freedom, but I know that isn't the answer either.
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 12:26:51 AM EDT
Stickman The point is this is supposed to be a republic, that means all we are doing is enforcing the supreme law.

The heavy work has already been done, all there is left to do is enforce the supreme law of the land.

Your labor is your property, if you can not defend your property and compelled to pay a tax without your consent, that is the definition of slavery, compelled performance/involuntary servitude is unlawful unless as punshment for a crime.

Take away the criminal states power to plunder and it ceases to be tyranical or a threat.

All we have to do is say NO and back each other up !
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 7:48:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By KA3B:
That's what Kirby Wilbur said on the John Carlson show yesterday.


Originally Posted By PCR-00:
912......
9 12........
9 1 2...........
9 1/2..............

HEY! thats how much the gas tax was going to be raised by!





Yea...I can't take credit for that...I heard Kirby say it on Carlson too......
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 8:15:07 AM EDT

Originally Posted By gunnut003:

Originally Posted By Justin03R6:
Is this an Eyeman initiative?


no, i heard he previously didn' tthink it would work, this one is done by another group..name escapes me currently-too focused on school




You mean he couldn't make money off of it
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 8:24:51 AM EDT
Yeah, let's start the revolution. I can hardly wait to see what kind of tyranny the current system is replaced with. Geez, you think we've got it bad now, wait until whatever group with the most force seizes control.
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 8:39:02 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Boomer:
Yeah, let's start the revolution. I can hardly wait to see what kind of tyranny the current system is replaced with. Geez, you think we've got it bad now, wait until whatever group with the most force seizes control.



Would it kill you to be serious for a moment ?

If you can how does enforcing the constitution amount to revolution in your opinion ?

Link Posted: 5/20/2005 9:18:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By STRATIOTES:

Originally Posted By Boomer:
Yeah, let's start the revolution. I can hardly wait to see what kind of tyranny the current system is replaced with. Geez, you think we've got it bad now, wait until whatever group with the most force seizes control.



Would it kill you to be serious for a moment ?

If you can how does enforcing the constitution amount to revolution in your opinion ?




I AM being serious. You're so eager to uncork the revolution/enforce-the-constitution-by-force genie that i don't think you've given much serious thought to the consequences. Basically that whoever/whatever group is able to wield the most power/force gets to interpret the constitution as THEY see fit or worse, scrap it altogether and rule however they want. You're just naively assuming that everyone is going to agree with your opinions.

What do YOU think is going to happen should a fighting force show up in Olympia or Washington DC? The gov is just going to cower down and all will be right again? Keep dreaming. The gov WILL use it's forces and agencies to combat any such threat of intimidation/grab for power. So then what? Are you really ready to engage in civil war and start killing fellow Americans? Are you really ready to follow through with your talk and start literally hanging politicians and bureaucrats? And even if you were able to win such a civil war, what then fills the void in government? And what happens when someone else gets pissed about how you are doing things?
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 10:56:22 AM EDT
Do you realize what you just did ?
Admitted enforcing the law the same as revolution where U.S. armed services are used against the sovereign citizens exercising their rights ? and your answer to such tyranny is a initiative ?

Originally Posted By Boomer:
I AM being serious. You're so eager to uncork the revolution/enforce-the-constitution-by-force genie that i don't think you've given much serious thought to the consequences. no different than the force used by the gov insurgents now! Basically that whoever/whatever group is able to wield the most power/force gets to interpret the constitution as THEY see fit or worse,just like now you mean scrap it altogether and rule however they want. You're just naively assuming that everyone is going to agree with your opinions. the law is not opinion

What do YOU think is going to happen should a fighting force show up in Olympia or Washington DC? The gov is just going to cower down and all will be right again? Keep dreaming. in the founding of this nation the british military was used in conjuction with local law enforcement however they could not enforce the kings orders because the citizens resisted the plunder done in the name of pseudo law The gov WILL use it's forces and agencies to combat any such threat of intimidation/grab for power. So then what? Are you really ready to engage in civil war and start killing fellow Americans? they are not fellow Americans they are insurgents Are you really ready to follow through with your talk and start literally hanging politicians and bureaucrats? after being found guilty through due process YES And even if you were able to win such a civil war, what then fills the void in government? And what happens when someone else gets pissed about how you are doing things? We return to the constitutional republic form of government as guaranteed and agreed upon as best form of government mere mortal men can form.



Link Posted: 5/20/2005 10:59:00 AM EDT



Declaration of the Causes and Necessity of Taking Up Arms

1775


A declaration by the representatives of the united colonies of North America, now met in Congress at Philadelphia, setting forth the causes and necessity of their taking up arms.

If it was possible for men, who exercise their reason to believe, that the divine Author of our existence intended a part of the human race to hold an absolute property in, and an unbounded power over others, marked out by his infinite goodness and wisdom, as the objects of a legal domination never rightfully resistible, however severe and oppressive, the inhabitants of these colonies might at least require from the parliament of Great-Britain some evidence, that this dreadful authority over them, has been granted to that body. But a reverance for our Creator, principles of humanity, and the dictates of common sense, must convince all those who reflect upon the subject, that government was instituted to promote the welfare of mankind, and ought to be administered for the attainment of that end. The legislature of Great-Britain, however, stimulated by an inordinate passion for a power not only unjustifiable, but which they know to be peculiarly reprobated by the very constitution of that kingdom, and desparate of success in any mode of contest, where regard should be had to truth, law, or right, have at length, deserting those, attempted to effect their cruel and impolitic purpose of enslaving these colonies by violence, and have thereby rendered it necessary for us to close with their last appeal from reason to arms. Yet, however blinded that assembly may be, by their intemperate rage for unlimited domination, so to sight justice and the opinion of mankind, we esteem ourselves bound by obligations of respect to the rest of the world, to make known the justice of our cause. Our forefathers, inhabitants of the island of Great-Britain, left their native land, to seek on these shores a residence for civil and religious freedom. At the expense of their blood, at the hazard of their fortunes, without the least charge to the country from which they removed, by unceasing labour, and an unconquerable spirit, they effected settlements in the distant and unhospitable wilds of America, then filled with numerous and warlike barbarians.—Societies or governments, vested with perfect legislatures, were formed under charters from the crown, and an harmonious intercourse was established between the colonies and the kingdom from which they derived their origin. The mutual benefits of this union became in a short time so extraordinary, as to excite astonishment. It is universally confessed, that the amazing increase of the wealth, strength, and navigation of the realm, arose from this source; and the minister, who so wisely and successfully directed the measures of Great-Britain in the late war, publicly declared, that these colonies enabled her to triumph over her enemies.—Towards the conclusion of that war, it pleased our sovereign to make a change in his counsels.—From that fatal movement, the affairs of the British empire began to fall into confusion, and gradually sliding from the summit of glorious prosperity, to which they had been advanced by the virtues and abilities of one man, are at length distracted by the convulsions, that now shake it to its deepest foundations.—The new ministry finding the brave foes of Britain, though frequently defeated, yet still contending, took up the unfortunate idea of granting them a hasty peace, and then subduing her faithful friends.

These colonies were judged to be in such a state, as to present victories without bloodshed, and all the easy emoluments of statuteable plunder.—The uninterrupted tenor of their peaceable and respectful behaviour from the beginning of colonization, their dutiful, zealous, and useful services during the war, though so recently and amply acknowledged in the most honourable manner by his majesty, by the late king, and by parliament, could not save them from the meditated innovations.—Parliament was influenced to adopt the pernicious project, and assuming a new power over them, have in the course of eleven years, given such decisive specimens of the spirit and consequences attending this power, as to leave no doubt concerning the effects of acquiescence under it. They have undertaken to give and grant our money without our consent, though we have ever exercised an exclusive right to dispose of our own property; statutes have been passed for extending the jurisdiction of courts of admiralty and vice-admiralty beyond their ancient limits; for depriving us of the accustomed and inestimable privilege of trial by jury, in cases affecting both life and property; for suspending the legislature of one of the colonies; for interdicting all commerce to the capital of another; and for altering fundamentally the form of government established by charter, and secured by acts of its own legislature solemnly confirmed by the crown; for exempting the "murderers" of colonists from legal trial, and in effect, from punishment; for erecting in a neighbouring province, acquired by the joint arms of Great-Britain and America, a despotism dangerous to our very existence; and for quartering soldiers upon the colonists in time of profound peace. It has also been resolved in parliament, that colonists charged with committing certain offences, shall be transported to England to be tried. But why should we enumerate our injuries in detail? By one statute it is declared, that parliament can "of right make laws to bind us in all cases whatsoever." What is to defend us against so enormous, so unlimited a power? Not a single man of those who assume it, is chosen by us; or is subject to our control or influence; but, on the contrary, they are all of them exempt from the operation of such laws, and an American revenue, if not diverted from the ostensible purposes for which it is raised, would actually lighten their own burdens in proportion, as they increase ours. We saw the misery to which such despotism would reduce us. We for ten years incessantly and ineffectually besieged the throne as supplicants; we reasoned, we remonstrated with parliament, in the most mild and decent language.

Administration sensible that we should regard these oppressive measures as freemen ought to do, sent over fleets and armies to enforce them. The indignation of the Americans was roused, it is true; but it was the indignation of a virtuous, loyal, and affectionate people. A Congress of delegates from the United Colonies was assembled at Philadelphia, on the fifth day of last September. We resolved again to offer an humble and dutiful petition to the King, and also addressed our fellow-subjects of Great-Britain. We have pursued every temperate, every respectful measure; we have even proceeded to break off our commercial intercourse with our fellow-subjects, as the last peaceable admonition, that our attachment to no nation upon earth should supplant our attachment to liberty.—This, we flattered ourselves, was the ultimate step of the controversy: but subsequent events have shewn, how vain was this hope of finding moderation in our enemies.

Several threatening expressions against the colonies were inserted in his majesty’s speech; our petition, tho’ we were told it was a decent one, and that his majesty had been pleased to receive it graciously, and to promise laying it before his parliament, was huddled into both houses among a bundle of American papers, and there neglected. The lords and commons in their address, in the month of February, said, that "a rebellion at that time actually existed within the province of Massachusetts-Bay; and that those concerned with it, had been countenanced and encouraged by unlawful combinations and engagements, entered into by his majesty’s subjects in several of the other colonies; and therefore they besought his majesty, that he would take the most effectual measures to inforce due obediance to the laws and authority of the supreme legislature."—Soon after, the commercial intercourse of whole colonies, with foreign countries, and with each other, was cut off by an act of parliament; by another several of them were intirely prohibited from the fisheries in the seas near their coasts, on which they always depended for their sustenance; and large reinforcements of ships and troops were immediately sent over to general Gage.

Fruitless were all the entreaties, arguments, and eloquence of an illustrious band of the most distinguished peers, and commoners, who nobly and strenuously asserted the justice of our cause, to stay, or even to mitigate the heedless fury with which these accumulated and unexampled outrages were hurried on.—Equally fruitless was the interference of the city of London, of Bristol, and many other respectable towns in our favor. Parliament adopted an insidious manoeuvre calculated to divide us, to establish a perpetual auction of taxations where colony should bid against colony, all of them uninformed what ransom would redeem their lives; and thus to extort from us, at the point of the bayonet, the unknown sums that should be sufficient to gratify, if possible to gratify, ministerial rapacity, with the miserable indulgence left to us of raising, in our own mode, the prescribed tribute. What terms more rigid and humiliating could have been dictated by remorseless victors to conquered enemies? in our circumstances to accept them, would be to deserve them.

Soon after the intelligence of these proceedings arrived on this continent, general Gage, who in the course of the last year had taken possession of the town of Boston, in the province of Massachusetts-Bay, and still occupied it a garrison, on the 19th day of April, sent out from that place a large detachment of his army, who made an unprovoked assault on the inhabitants of the said province, at the town of Lexington, as appears by the affidavits of a great number of persons, some of whom were officers and soldiers of that detachment, murdered eight of the inhabitants, and wounded many others. From thence the troops proceeded in warlike array to the town of Concord, where they set upon another party of the inhabitants of the same province, killing several and wounding more, until compelled to retreat by the country people suddenly assembled to repel this cruel aggression. Hostilities, thus commenced by the British troops, have been since prosecuted by them without regard to faith or reputation.—The inhabitants of Boston being confined within that town by the general their governor, and having, in order to procure their dismission, entered into a treaty with him, it was stipulated that the said inhabitants having deposited their arms with their own magistrate, should have liberty to depart, taking with them their other effects. They accordingly delivered up their arms, but in open violation of honour, in defiance of the obligation of treaties, which even savage nations esteemed sacred, the governor ordered the arms deposited as aforesaid, that they might be preserved for their owners, to be seized by a body of soldiers; detained the greatest part of the inhabitants in the town, and compelled the few who were permitted to retire, to leave their most valuable effects behind.

By this perfidy wives are separated from their husbands, children from their parents, the aged and the sick from their relations and friends, who wish to attend and comfort them; and those who have been used to live in plenty and even elegance, are reduced to deplorable distress.

The general, further emulating his ministerial masters, by a proclamation bearing date on the 12th day of June, after venting the grossest falsehoods and calumnies against the good people of these colonies, proceeds to "declare them all, either by name or description, to be rebels and traitors, to supercede the course of the common law, and instead thereof to publish and order the use and exercise of the law martial."—His troops have butchered our countrymen, have wantonly burnt Charlestown, besides a considerable number of houses in other places; our ships and vessels are seized; the necessary supplies of provisions are intercepted, and he is exerting his utmost power to spread destruction and devastation around him.

We have received certain intelligence, that general Carleton, the governor of Canada, is instigating the people of that province and the Indians to fall upon us; and we have but too much reason to apprehend, that schemes have been formed to excite domestic enemies against us. In brief, a part of these colonies now feel, and all of them are sure of feeling, as far as the vengeance of administration can inflict them, the complicated calamities of fire, sword and famine. We are reduced to the alternative of chusing an unconditional submission to the tyranny of irritated ministers, or resistance by force.—The latter is our choice.—We have counted the cost of this contest, and find nothing so dreadful as voluntary slavery.—Honour, justice, and humanity, forbid us tamely to surrender that freedom which we received from our gallant ancestors, and which our innocent posterity have a right to receive from us. We cannot endure the infamy and guilt of resigning succeeding generations to that wretchedness which inevitably awaits them, if we basely entail hereditary bondage upon them.

Our cause is just. Our union is perfect. Our internal resources are great, and, if necessary, foreign assistance is undoubtedly attainable.—We gratefully acknowledge, as signal instances of the Divine favour towards us, that his Providence would not permit us to be called into this severe controversy, until we were grown up to our present strength, had been previously exercised in warlike operation, and possessed of the means of defending ourselves. With hearts fortified with these animating reflections, we most solemnly, before God and the world, declare, that, exerting the utmost energy of those powers, which our beneficent Creator hath graciously bestowed upon us, the arms we have been compelled by our enemies to assume, we will, in defiance of every hazard, with unabating firmness and perseverence, employ for the preservation of our liberties; being with one mind resolved to die freemen rather than to live slaves.

Lest this declaration should disquiet the minds of our friends and fellow-subjects in any part of the empire, we assure them that we mean not to dissolve that union which has so long and so happily subsisted between us, and which we sincerely wish to see restored.—Necessity has not yet driven us into that desperate measure, or induced us to excite any other nation to war against them.—We have not raised armies with ambitious designs of separating from Great-Britain, and establishing independent states. We fight not for glory or for conquest. We exhibit to mankind the remarkable spectacle of a people attacked by unprovoked enemies, without any imputation or even suspicion of offence. They boast of their privileges and civilization, and yet proffer no milder conditions than servitude or death.

In our own native land, in defence of the freedom that is our birthright, and which we ever enjoyed till the late violation of it—for the protection of our property, acquired solely by the honest industry of our fore-fathers and ourselves, against violence actually offered, we have taken up arms. We shall lay them down when hostilities shall cease on the part of the aggressors, and all danger of their being renewed shall be removed, and not before.

With an humble confidence in the mercies of the supreme and impartial Judge and Ruler of the Universe, we most devoutly implore his divine goodness to protect us happily through this great conflict, to dispose our adversaries to reconciliation on reasonable terms, and thereby to relieve the empire from the calamities of civil war.


Link Posted: 5/20/2005 11:02:52 AM EDT

Originally Posted By STRATIOTES:
Do you realize what you just did ?
Admitted enforcing the law the same as revolution where U.S. armed services are used against the sovereign citizens exercising their rights ? and your answer to such tyranny is a initiative ?

Originally Posted By Boomer:
I AM being serious. You're so eager to uncork the revolution/enforce-the-constitution-by-force genie that i don't think you've given much serious thought to the consequences. no different than the force used by the gov insurgents now! Basically that whoever/whatever group is able to wield the most power/force gets to interpret the constitution as THEY see fit or worse,just like now you mean scrap it altogether and rule however they want. You're just naively assuming that everyone is going to agree with your opinions. the law is not opinion

What do YOU think is going to happen should a fighting force show up in Olympia or Washington DC? The gov is just going to cower down and all will be right again? Keep dreaming. in the founding of this nation the british military was used in conjuction with local law enforcement however they could not enforce the kings orders because the citizens resisted the plunder done in the name of pseudo law The gov WILL use it's forces and agencies to combat any such threat of intimidation/grab for power. So then what? Are you really ready to engage in civil war and start killing fellow Americans? they are not fellow Americans they are insurgents Are you really ready to follow through with your talk and start literally hanging politicians and bureaucrats? after being found guilty through due process YES And even if you were able to win such a civil war, what then fills the void in government? And what happens when someone else gets pissed about how you are doing things? We return to the constitutional republic form of government as guaranteed and agreed upon as best form of government mere mortal men can form.






So now our government is an insurgency?

Link Posted: 5/20/2005 11:04:07 AM EDT
This is much more simple than people think, all that needs to be done is refuse unlawful acts done in the name of the law,many military and police are sick of bullshit too but fear lack of support should they attempt to enforce the oath that they took, what they need is for the sovereign citizen to lead the way, by example, deeds not words.

Link Posted: 5/20/2005 11:07:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/20/2005 11:08:31 AM EDT by STRATIOTES]

Originally Posted By Boomer:

So now our government is an insurgency?







Tyrants are rebels only.
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 11:09:10 AM EDT

Originally Posted By STRATIOTES:

Originally Posted By Boomer:

So now our government is an insurgency?







Tyrants are rebels only.



So what does that say about your band of rebels?
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 11:12:51 AM EDT
Why won't you answer the question?

What do you think is going to happen when a large, armed group marches on Olympia?
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 11:22:55 AM EDT
So, what is the next step with Initiative 912. It's not on the ballot yet right? Do we need to get more signatures?

Whats the next step?
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 11:23:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Boomer:

Tyrants are rebels only.



So what does that say about your band of rebels? Are you really that ignorant you do not recognize classical litterary works and their profound influence during the founding of America ?, the people are not rebels, the people are the government, the representitives can only operate by consent if they behave as they now do contrary to law and consent the representitives are the rebels not the people.
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 11:26:08 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Boomer:
Why won't you answer the question?

What do you think is going to happen when a large, armed group marches on Olympia?



NOT calling for anyone to go anywhere except in the defense of their fellow citizen
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 11:26:57 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 11:31:46 AM EDT

Originally Posted By JAFO:
There are sites out there that do not have the following Conduct Code:



General Guidelines

4.) Posting comments or links in support of illegal activities including, but not limited to, threats against the life of any living person, doing harm to a state or federal official, or advocating the overthrow of the government.



Let us leave the talk of overthrowing the government on those sites that do not have this rule.

Thank you
Jim



Where is the violation JAFO ? the whole point is the return to the rule of law not overthrow or revolution., are you saying we can not dialogue about the very foundation of our country on a BBS where talk in written text is all that one can do ?
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 11:52:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By STRATIOTES:

Originally Posted By Boomer:
Why won't you answer the question?

What do you think is going to happen when a large, armed group marches on Olympia?



NOT calling for anyone to go anywhere except in the defense of their fellow citizen



So what are you training and going on field excercises for?
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 11:55:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/20/2005 11:56:28 AM EDT by JAFO]
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 12:01:08 PM EDT
Hang in Strat,

Know in your heart of hearts
you are a free man
They can't take that away
from you

I am not afraid to say we are taxed too heavily. E-mails won't make a difference. Letters won't change a thing. Only a public show of solidarity will get their attention. If we protested with one tenth the fervor of homosexual activeists, great things could happen. Where is the outrage?
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 12:44:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/20/2005 12:46:48 PM EDT by STRATIOTES]
I hear ya JAFO and will give it a rest, i have a lot of work to do in the shop but as a parting shot you would do well to remember the recent history of initiatives in washington state where rather than try to swat down every multitudeness new tax the initiative sought to restrict the legislatures ability to tax at will and make it much more difficult to pass another new tax law and raise existing taxes.

The courts tore it up ! so every time the people actually succeed with an initiative they legislature passes another new tax and finds ways to raise existing taxes on things like car tabs despite the people making laws forbidding it, they pass a initiative saying $30 car tabs, they find a way around it and tabs cost more, the people pass another inititive forcing $30 car tabs, they tack on a monorail tax on car tabs and raise the cost of tabs once again, there is a pattern there everyone should be able to recognize.

BTW many more people read than post and Stickman began the dialogue, Boomer just expressed what a lot of other people think but do not post, so by answering him I answer those that may have the question but are too fearful to say anything publically, the long established custom of public discourse in tavern's and drinking establishments died 100 years ago the internet is the last vestige of free speech.

Link Posted: 5/20/2005 12:52:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By STRATIOTES:
they tack on a monorail tax on car tabs and raise the cost of tabs once again



Wait a minute. I thought the monorail and RTA taxes were approved by a majority of the voters in the affected areas. In these particular instances, it sounds like the people ARE being heard and getting what they want.
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 11:05:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By STRATIOTES:
BTW many more people read than post and Stickman began the dialogue,



Actually YOU fucking started this shit.


Originally Posted By STRATIOTES:
Keep following, your almost inside .



I still don't know who you were attacking with this shit, but I didn't respond.

Link Posted: 5/21/2005 11:47:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By KA3B:

Originally Posted By STRATIOTES:
BTW many more people read than post and Stickman began the dialogue,



Actually YOU fucking started this shit.


Originally Posted By STRATIOTES:
Keep following, your almost inside .



I still don't know who you were attacking with this shit, but I didn't respond.




He did not attack anyone...

He may have made a Smart ass comment, but We are all guilty of that one.
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 5:14:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PCR-00:
So, what is the next step with Initiative 912. It's not on the ballot yet right? Do we need to get more signatures?

Whats the next step?



So, what is the next step with Initiative 912. It's not on the ballot yet right? Do we need to get more signatures?

Whats the next step?
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 6:04:07 PM EDT
Sound Politics web page:
www.soundpolitics.com/archives/004417.html

Wa State .gov web site:
Proposed Initatives to the People - 2005
www.secstate.wa.gov/elections/initiatives/people.aspx

No New Gas Tax Initative 912 web site:
nonewgastax.com/

We've been given our ballot number, now we are waiting for the Attorney General's office to write our ballot title. Once that's done, we will print and mail petitions to our supporters IMMEDIATELY.

We only have a few days to collect signatures. Our opponents don't believe we can do it. Let's prove them wrong.





Link Posted: 5/21/2005 8:48:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By KA3B:
Sound Politics web page:
www.soundpolitics.com/archives/004417.html

Wa State .gov web site:
Proposed Initatives to the People - 2005
www.secstate.wa.gov/elections/initiatives/people.aspx

No New Gas Tax Initative 912 web site:
nonewgastax.com/

We've been given our ballot number, now we are waiting for the Attorney General's office to write our ballot title. Once that's done, we will print and mail petitions to our supporters IMMEDIATELY.

We only have a few days to collect signatures. Our opponents don't believe we can do it. Let's prove them wrong.








Thanks
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