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Posted: 1/15/2007 8:59:19 AM EST
Read em and bear in mind that some of this legislation is aimed at Indianapolis specifically and RKBA in general across the state.

www.in.gov/apps/lsa/session/billwatch/billinfo?year=2007&session=1&request=all

This listing includes all proposed legislation for this year. This is a new House with many new Dem Representatives with new leadership in the House and Senate. This means there will be some laws pushed much farther than they have been allowed to go in the past.

SB 0018 -- Handgun sales. "Corrects the law passed last year that included sending a copy of 4473 to Indiana SP"

HB 1200 does the same thing as SB 0018

HB 1011 -- Regulation of firearms during an emergency. "Would bar any and all gov state to local from imposing any added restrictions on the sale, use, possession of firearms."

HB 1089 -- Local regulation of firearms.
Authored by Representative Orentlicher
"Indianapolis/Marion county total and complete exemption from the current state pre-emption. This is one we should in all directions have various reps embrace with amendments to remove the grandfather date currently in statute and maybe give it some teeth. One such tooth would be to include all State Depts including the DNR in the pre-emption."

HB 1090 -- Sale of handguns.
Authored by Representative Orentlicher
"Muddies the water in relation to gunshow vendors. Mandates one handgun a month.

HB 1118 -- Possession of firearms on certain property. "Safe storage of firearms in POV at employers property and for visitors of such."

Also there are several measures concerning Illegal aliens.
Link Posted: 1/15/2007 10:03:31 AM EST
As I understand how communications works when expressing views to legislators an email is worthless.
Faxes may be 100x the value in the email.
A hand written letter less than one page may be worth 100x a fax.
A personal visit to the legislators office may be worth as much or more than a handwritten letter.

The letter I am speaking of is not typed or a copy. Typed and copied may weigh somewhere between a fax and an email.

I mean this only as a guide for meaning full expression. I am sure I am not accurate in these ratings and those who know where to look them up can post them to correct me.

Link Posted: 1/15/2007 1:43:46 PM EST

Originally Posted By txgho1911:
HB 1089 -- Local regulation of firearms.
Authored by Representative Orentlicher
"Indianapolis/Marion county total and complete exemption from the current state pre-emption. This is one we should in all directions have various reps embrace with amendments to remove the grandfather date currently in statute and maybe give it some teeth. "


What are you suggesting here? Isn't this the bill that would allow Marion County to have its own (i.e. more restrictive) firearms laws than allowed under state law? How is giving it "some teeth" a good thing?



Link Posted: 1/15/2007 2:13:09 PM EST
I am thinking of turning this bill on it's ear for something positive. The original author would turn a few shades of purple but I do not see any other end for it. Except to kill it in committee.
Link Posted: 1/16/2007 12:02:07 PM EST
The only activity so far scheduled for firearms related bills are as follows. I will monitor the committee schedules for other events of interests.

AGENDA FOR: Commerce, Public Policy & Interstate Cooperation

MEETING: January 17, 130PM, Room #233

CHAIR: Senator Riegsecker

MEMBERS: Becker R.M., Jackman, Merritt, Steele, Walker, Weatherwax, Howard R.M.M., Breaux, Rogers, Simpson

AGENDA: SB 0018 SB 0180

NOTES: Note: Room change
Link Posted: 1/16/2007 2:03:52 PM EST
I have some time tomorrow tell me how I can help.
Link Posted: 1/16/2007 2:06:44 PM EST

Originally Posted By txgho1911:

CHAIR: Senator Riegsecker


Ah, someone from my neck of the woods.
He's an ok guy, but been there way too long for my taste.
Link Posted: 1/16/2007 3:15:59 PM EST

Originally Posted By txgho1911:
As I understand how communications works when expressing views to legislators an email is worthless.
Faxes may be 100x the value in the email.
A hand written letter less than one page may be worth 100x a fax.
A personal visit to the legislators office may be worth as much or more than a handwritten letter.

The letter I am speaking of is not typed or a copy. Typed and copied may weigh somewhere between a fax and an email.

I mean this only as a guide for meaning full expression. I am sure I am not accurate in these ratings and those who know where to look them up can post them to correct me.



Speaking from personnel experience (in order of impact):

Email to legislator's official government email address: next to worthless

Email to legislator's personal email address: worthwhile if you can get that address

Fax: good if the letter is original meaning you didn't copy it from somewhere else and it is signed, with your address and phone number.

Snail mail: a little better than fax. see above

Phone call: even better

Face to face conversation in public: excellent

Face to face conversation in private and handing the legislator a check made out to his campaign committee: priceless

Link Posted: 1/16/2007 4:14:31 PM EST
Durango,
If you can show up and speak for this measure SB0018 positively or even just call the committee members to ask each in turn for their approval.
I may have previously scheduled work up North in Peru and Logansport so I may not get to attend. I might call myself.
So far on the subject of the 4473 correction I spoke to my Sen P Miller and requested her support. I let her know what it is about and that it corrects the law passed last year. I followed a line Jim Tombs shared that references this bill as consistent with the state constitution.
Everyone who calls remember.
Please as you communicate with the elected folks that sincerity and factual content educates.

Link Posted: 1/17/2007 2:57:55 PM EST
Follows is a response to Jim Tombs request in his letter copied here.
He may in fact be stubborn or deaf but I am taking a swing.
Do you want to make a difference? It's going to take some work from everyone.


If Marion County is allowed full discretion on personal firearms regulation outside of current state law; Indianapolis will be in worse shape crime wise than Washington DC. Currently there is a slight disparity for older regulation not affected by state law due to a grandfather date in 1994. I have discovered less than a year ago that my Indiana Liscence to Carry Handgun was null and void in city parks in Indianapolis. I understand that other localities within the state also maintain those older regulations on city books. Many of these jurisdictions local ordinances are not known statewide and leave the otherwise law abiding individuals in probable jeopardy with a legal system that is growing more confused and incompetent with every electioneering DA.
Instead of giving this or any other locality such breadth of discretion against the law abiding individuals who in many cases have passed numerous background checks in the past. Many careers and vocations as require background checks and not just for the Indiana Handgun Liscense.

Gerald OBrien
317-418-2487


Jim, Is that the kind of material that might sway him?


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Tomes [mailto:jmtomes@pngusa.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:29 PM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: Rep. Orentlicher's phone call

Just a few minutes ago I received a call from Indiana State Representative David Orentlicher (D). The conversation was about his two bills (HB 1089 and HB 1090) that would allow Marion County to circumvent Indiana's preemption law and limit handgun purchases to one per month respectively.

He listened to my argument that gun laws have no effect on crime and research has proven that to be the case. Also, he acknowledge my position that criminals don't buy guns, they steal them and it's only the good people that are burdened with restrictive gun laws.

Rep. Orentlicher asked me how one hand gun per month purchases would inconvenience gun owners. He asked if a person couldn't buy one gun and then wait until the next month a buy another one.

My examples I gave him were if the buyer was wanting to purchase a matched set of guns for his collection or perhaps wanted to get a pair of consecutive serial numbered guns for his kids. I told him that this purchase could be at a gun show where the dealer would not be available after the show. Or if someone from out of state was passing through and wanted to have the guns transfered to their home state it would pose a hardship.

He told me he had not thought about those circumstances. I could tell in the way he said that, that he had not thought along those lines.

I told him that our group the 2nd Amendment Patriots will support
anyone on crime control but we take a hard stand against gun control.
He asked me it I could send him some ideas on how to target the crime problems in our state.

I don't know what effect we can have on him, but we'll never know if we don't try. At least he called and that's a first step.

I have some ideas I'd like to share with him on going after crime and leaving the guns and good people alone. But before I do that I'd like for all of you to give me your personal perspective on what to send Rep. Orentlicher.

I hope that the Indiana state legislators who are on this e-mail list will lend their advice on this as well and that if they get time during the session they can pull Rep. Orentlicher over to the side and help stir him in the right direction, too.

One of our faithful defenders for gun owners, Indiana State Representative Jackie Walorski, who is a shooter herself with a clear understanding of gun rights,just called as I'm writing this letter. She is on the Public Policy Committee. She said she will be keeping a close watch on any anti gun legislation, including Rep. Vernon Smith's HB 1298 requiring a gun safety course before receiving a handgun license, waiting 7 days before a gun transfer can take place and prohibits more than two handguns per month.

I noticed that his HB 1298 is listed as being withdrawn prior to first reading. I don't know but I'd bet that was posted because I bet he meant that to read /one/ handgun per month instead of two.

Vernon Smith is a nut case that we have had to deal with for years and I'm told by a /very /reliable source that Orentlicher is cut from the same cloth.

Still if you want to hold your position as a gun owner and not be pushed back I suggest you jump on.

I'll wait a couple of days for any replies before I e-mail Rep.
Orentlicher with our suggestions. Send me what you have.

Thanks,

--
Jim and Margie
2nd Amendment Patriots
STAY UNITED
www.2ndamendmentpatriots.org


Link Posted: 1/30/2007 2:22:24 PM EST
DNR administrative rule changes.
The following is from email most recently from Joe V.

Below is an excerpt from Chuck Bjork's announcement for the bowling pin shoot at MCFG (which some of you already received from me). I thought it was important enough to break it out and re-send it in case some of you do not read your e-mail to the bottom.

As you may know, the DNR made some significant and very positive changes to their regulations in 2006 that have dramatically reduced the state's infringements on our fundamental rights.

In addition to the hunting regulations mentioned below, don't forget that DNR director Kyle Hupfer and the Governor worked together to temporarily suspend DNR regulations that prevented you from carrying your pistol for personal defense while hunting or while on any DNR property like a state park. Those changes are temporary for now, so you should express your opinions about making them permanent to the Natural Resources Commission (as mentioned below).

Please read the excerpt below and act accordingly.
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:24:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Chuck Bjork ***********
Subject: MCFG Bowling Pin Shooting 1.23.07
Finally, the Indiana Department of Natural Resources will hold a public hearing to receive comments on several proposed administrative rule changes.
Proposed rule changes include allowing rifles loaded with pistol cartridges during the deer firearm season. The hearing will be held Tuesday, Feb. 13 at 6 p.m. (EST) at the Garrison Conference Center at Ft. Harrison State Park in Indianapolis.
The proposed deer firearm season rule change language reads: - The rifle cartridge must: (A) have a bullet of three hundred fifty-seven thousandths of an inch (.357) diameter or larger; (B) have a minimum case length of one and sixteen hundredths (1.16) inches; and (C) have a maximum case length of one and six hundred twenty-five thousandths (1.625) inches. This proposed deer hunting rule change language would continue the DNR's long-time position of allowing only short-to-medium range equipment for taking deer. The DNR has often received requests from the public for a rule change allowing some rifles during deer firearm season.
The Natural Resources Commission preliminarily adopted these rule changes, along with several others, in July 2006. The preliminarily adopted rules are available online at: http://www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/about/ Click on "2006 Additional Wildlife Administrative Rule Changes".
Public comments can be submitted by e-mail, written letter, or at the public hearing. Written comments can be sent to: Hearing Officer Natural Resources Commission 402 W. Washington Street, W272 Indianapolis, IN 46204 Comments can also be e-mailed to: jkane@nrc.in.gov Written comments must be received no later than February 15. A copy of the public hearing report will be available at www.IN.gov/nrc prior to final consideration by the Natural Resources Commission. The NRC will likely consider these rule changes for final adoption in March. If approved by the NRC, attorney general and governor, the changes will become effective this summer. The Garrison Conference Center is in Ft. Harrison State Park on the east side of Indianapolis, near the intersection of Post Road and 59th St. Find a map at:
I would personally like to see this rule change, as it would allow hunters to use calibers that are already legal, in firearms that should help them be more accurate. Please take 2 minutes and send an email or letter to the DNR to let them know your feelings on the subject. If you have any questions, let me know.

Link Posted: 2/13/2007 7:57:00 AM EST
[Last Edit: 2/13/2007 8:00:08 AM EST by txgho1911]
Later arrivals in the house. My comments in the more recently submitted bills is in red.

House Bill 1739
2007 Regular Session


DIGEST OF INTRODUCED BILL

Sale of handguns. Removes references concerning the federal national instant criminal background check system (NICS) from the law concerning the sale of handguns. Returns the law concerning the sale of handguns to the form it was in before changes concerning the NICS were made to that law during the 2006 session of the general assembly. Specifies that the form that a person purchasing a handgun must submit to a firearms dealer concerning consent to obtain the person's criminal history information may not include any information related to the handgun.


Current Status:


Representatives Murphy and Reske added as coauthors


This bill reverses ISP in the task of background checks. Adds confusion to the improvements we made last year. Jim T has commented on this earlier.

House Bill 1756
2007 Regular Session


DIGEST OF INTRODUCED BILL

Handgun license renewal. Establishes the criminal history data fund for the purpose of: (1) operating and maintaining the central repository for criminal history data; and (2) establishing, operating, and maintaining an electronic system for the processing of handgun license applications and renewals. Permits money in the fund to be used to establish, operate, and maintain an electronic log to record the sale of ephedrine and pseudoephedrine. Provides that certain handgun license fees will be deposited in the criminal history data fund, and repeals a provision requiring that certain handgun licensing fees be deposited in the general fund.


Current Status:


Authored by Representative Tincher


I have not read this whole piece but it looks like it allows the License Fee to fund the Criminal History database. There may be parts of this that are objectionable but I do not have any problem with ISP firearms div getting the process paid for by the fees charged. The second purpose of this bill to include OTC drug sales records soundly invalidates this as legitimate legislation.

House Bill 1397
2007 Regular Session


DIGEST OF INTRODUCED BILL



Firearms in locked vehicles or secure locations. Prohibits the adoption or enforcement of a policy or rule that prohibits or has the effect of prohibiting an individual who has a valid state issued permit to possess a firearm for protection purposes from legally possessing a firearm that is: (1) locked in the individual's motor vehicle while the motor vehicle is in or on the person's property; or (2) stored at a location in or on the person's property that is secure and allows the individual to check the firearm in and out when entering and leaving the person's property. Excepts possession of a firearm: (1) on school property or a school bus; (2) on certain child care and shelter facility property; (3) on penal facility property; and (4) when permitted under federal law. Provides immunity from liability to a person who does not adopt or enforce such a policy or rule. Authorizes a civil action for damages, costs, attorney's fees, and injunctive relief to remedy a violation.


Current Status:


Authored by Representative Ruppel


This is similar to HB1118 and may have better language that includes onsite safe storage facility. Hard to trust with the author who saddle us with 4473 copies to ISP if memory serves correctly. Anyone feel free to correct me.

House Bill 1644
2007 Regular Session


DIGEST OF INTRODUCED BILL

Community corrections employees and firearms. Allows an employee of a community corrections program to carry a firearm or handgun while acting as an employee of a community corrections program if the employee: (1) may legally carry a handgun or firearm; and (2) has successfully completed a certified handgun safety course.


Current Status:


Authored by Representative Goodin


This does not look good as far as including quasi Court or LEO color of law carry without sufficient LEO training in law concerning it’s use.
Other concerns is the shoehorning of a training requirement eventualy for everyone.


Link Posted: 2/13/2007 5:19:22 PM EST
For anyone that doesnt know about the 2nd admendment patrots group they have done TONS for all gun owners getting our rights better in Indiana. Hats off to you all. and Jim ill look for you at the evansville show this weekend prob sat morning. in case you dont reconize me now i talked with you at the ferdand show a couple weeks ago. see you then and keep up the good work from all of us
Link Posted: 2/14/2007 7:46:37 AM EST
I'm not Jim. I don't think he frequents this board.
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 8:07:01 AM EST
Updated roster of bills.

SB 0018 -- Handgun sales. Amended by S. Steele for further correction of current law.
01/29/2007 S Referred to the House
Also 2 other amendments where attempted and failed which would have encorporated a statutory handgun registration. S. BREAUX
Sec. 16. (a) This section applies only to the sale of a handgun by a dealer.
(b) A dealer shall transmit the following information to the state police department by electronic mail or in an electronic format approved by the state police department:
(1) The full name of the purchaser.
(2) The purchaser's current residence address.
(3) The purchaser's date of birth.
(4) The manufacturer or importer of the handgun.
(5) The model of the handgun.
(6) The serial number of the handgun.
(7) The caliber of the handgun.
(8) The name and business address of the dealer.
(c) A dealer shall transmit information required under this section before the last day of the month following the sale.
(d) The state police department may adopt rules to implement this section.
(e) Information transmitted under this section is confidential.".
And:
Sec. 16. (a) This section applies to every transferor.
(b) As used in this section, "transferor" means any person who:
(1) sells;
(2) trades;
(3) rents;
(4) gives; or
(5) otherwise transfers ownership of;
a handgun to another person.
(c) A transferor shall transmit the following information to the state police department by electronic mail or in an electronic format approved by the state police department:
(1) The full name of the purchaser.
(2) The purchaser's current residence address.
(3) The purchaser's date of birth.
(4) The manufacturer or importer of the handgun.
(5) The model of the handgun.
(6) The serial number of the handgun.
(7) The caliber of the handgun.
(8) The name and address of the transferor.
(d) A transferor shall transmit information required under this section before the last day of the month following the sale.
(e) The state police department may adopt rules to implement this section.
(f) Information transmitted under this section is confidential.".


HB 1118 -- Possession of firearms on certain property.
It is Grayed on the website. This bill will never get a hearing.

HB 1011 -- Regulation of firearms during an emergency.
Is grayed out and will never get a hearing in this session.

HB 1200 -- Sale of handguns.
Is grayed out and will never get a hearing in this session. Dup SB 0018

HB 1397 -- Firearms in locked vehicles or secure locations.
Is grayed out and will never get a hearing in this session.

HB 1644 -- Community corrections employees and firearms.
Is grayed out and will never get a hearing in this session. Bad Bill.

HB 1739 -- Sale of handguns.
02/22/2007 H Second reading: ordered engrossed
This fixes the 4473 forwarding to ISP and provides funding of a criminal DB and certain OTC drug sales DB.

HB 1756 -- Handgun license renewal.
Is grayed out and will never get a hearing in this session.
This is a duplicate of HB 1739 with back stepping syntax. Bad Bill.


ALL COMMITTEE SCHEDULES ARE BLANK.
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