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Posted: 10/15/2008 5:03:06 PM EST
As soon as this election is over and I find out (No, I won't ask a soul but I am sure I will be told) how they voted I do not think I will want to associate with them again.
The worst part is I don't think they are that stupid, they are just uninformed and refuse to take the time to learn the whole story.
I know this analogy is poor but what the hell.
I am sure not all nazis were hard core anti-semites. I am sure many just pondered the economy and how it had improved under hitler and so supported him. I am sure they listened to the propaganda and believed enough of it to sway their beliefs.
I see the thing today. Propaganda from the media is the big factor, blatant lies and coercion from authority figures (unions and certain St. Louis city officials come to mind) have clouded their judgement.
I can't tell you how many time I was told that McCain said this or that and when I looked into it the truth was quite the opposite. Just a few words or an out of context quote and off they went. When I look into it and show them what was really said they go off in a huff somehow pissed that I corrected them. I personally would rather know the truth than a convenient lie but I guess I am an exception.
I really hate feeling this way about some of my long time friends but damn, I just can't condone/forgive what they are about to do.
Link Posted: 10/15/2008 5:19:17 PM EST
move on...............there are more firends on the pool.........
Link Posted: 10/15/2008 5:59:43 PM EST

The worst part is I don't think they are that stupid, they are just uninformed and refuse to take the time to learn the whole story.


Then inform them. I don't know how many hours I've spent helping MY friends that were misguided to "see the light".
Link Posted: 10/15/2008 6:09:52 PM EST

Originally Posted By GaryM:
As soon as this election is over and I find out (No, I won't ask a soul but I am sure I will be told) how they voted I do not think I will want to associate with them again.
The worst part is I don't think they are that stupid, they are just uninformed and refuse to take the time to learn the whole story.
I know this analogy is poor but what the hell.
I am sure not all nazis were hard core anti-semites. I am sure many just pondered the economy and how it had improved under hitler and so supported him. I am sure they listened to the propaganda and believed enough of it to sway their beliefs.
I see the thing today. Propaganda from the media is the big factor, blatant lies and coercion from authority figures (unions and certain St. Louis city officials come to mind) have clouded their judgement.
I can't tell you how many time I was told that McCain said this or that and when I looked into it the truth was quite the opposite. Just a few words or an out of context quote and off they went. When I look into it and show them what was really said they go off in a huff somehow pissed that I corrected them. I personally would rather know the truth than a convenient lie but I guess I am an exception.
I really hate feeling this way about some of my long time friends but damn, I just can't condone/forgive what they are about to do.


YOU and I feel the EXACT same way. HURTS LIKE HELL --- doesn't it??
Link Posted: 10/15/2008 6:23:56 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/15/2008 6:28:27 PM EST by DBAR]
There are too many of us that feel the same way.

I've explained the details many times to people that I know, and I'm still afraid that they are going to vote for the wrong person. They just don't get it. They can't seem to see past the bull shit that obama is selling. They are eating up the quick fix!

Clinton screwed up a lot of shit, and left it for Bush. Now he and the Republicans look bad because it's all getting ugly while his in office. Why can't everyone else see the truth.

I had lunch with Duke the other day, and we discussed just a few of the ramifications that obamas' (socialistic pig) plans will produce. I can tell you that our conclusion was that the out come is very, very, scary. I can only hope that the American People can stop and think for moment, and see the truth.

DBAR

Edit: Just a funny note. I did a spell check on this post, and " obamas' " suggested correction was "ebony".
Link Posted: 10/15/2008 6:45:13 PM EST
Ok lets play the word game!

Open MS Word, Type in Obama, it will say you spelled it wrong so right click and the read the suggestion....
Link Posted: 10/15/2008 6:53:34 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/15/2008 6:55:08 PM EST by DBAR]

Originally Posted By AFSOC:
Ok lets play the word game!

Open MS Word, Type in Obama, it will say you spelled it wrong so right click and the read the suggestion....


Copy and past my post to one of your own. Then do a spell check before you post it, and see what happens. I tried Obama with my version of MS Word, and it really was just gibberish. What did your version come up with?

Remember in my post it was a possessive text. obamas'
Link Posted: 10/15/2008 7:17:54 PM EST
Gary, I'll still be your friend. I'm gonna have to do the same sickening thing you are. It sux and hurts like heck, but I have my morals and beliefs.
Link Posted: 10/15/2008 8:30:27 PM EST
MS Word corrected it to Osama for me.

And for the record, the correct posessive form for obama, as in barack obama, is: this pig is obama's.

If you use "obamas'", that is the plural posessive form, such as in more than one obama, maybe husband and concubine: that purple house is the obamas'.

That is all.
Link Posted: 10/16/2008 5:49:06 AM EST
Oh cry me a river.

If you value your friendships so little that one vote can end them, go ahead. Each person makes their choice and that choice is private and sacrosanct. I have great friends who have voiced their support for Obama and while I might heckle them for that choice, it affects my friendship in no way.

Hell, my wife, a school teacher, will probably vote for Obama. This saint of a woman, who didn't blink when I walked in the door returning from a gunshow this weekend with a guide gun over a shoulder and two NIB Bulgarian milled AKs places a high value on the candidates views on education. The Republicans frankly have done a piss poor job on education reform. If she votes for Obama, I do not fault her logic.

Your views frankly strike me as unamerican. Our system values free choice and open and frank discussion. Your proposed actions are not unlike the Nazis you reference. You propose to alienate those for whom you care, and those who most likely care for you over one small vote.

To each their own.
Link Posted: 10/16/2008 6:33:07 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/16/2008 6:37:02 AM EST by rbthntr64]
Gary,
I feel the same way. It is a sad day when someones response is "Anythings got to be better than Bush, and it ain't no Republican" That is what one of my friends said. Wake up America, this guy is bad. We will see things under his presidency that has never been seen before. Civil rights will go out the window. And the sad thing, like the Germans, many will just drink the Kool-Aid. Face it, we have become a society of lazy, complacent people who could care less about our liberty and freedom. It's coming and coming fast. I hope all my fellow weaponeers are ready. And chosing to not associate with someone has nothing to do with being a Nazi.
Link Posted: 10/16/2008 6:33:44 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/16/2008 6:34:58 AM EST by eric10mm]
Link Posted: 10/16/2008 6:58:39 AM EST
Everyone one has the right to vote how they please and these people are the ones who paid for that right.



You who think like that are the ones who are p!ss poor friends. The only ill feelings I have are towards those who do not vote at all and then complain about the results of an election.
Link Posted: 10/16/2008 7:25:37 AM EST

Originally Posted By Roaster72:
Oh cry me a river.

If you value your friendships so little that one vote can end them, go ahead. Each person makes their choice and that choice is private and sacrosanct. I have great friends who have voiced their support for Obama and while I might heckle them for that choice, it affects my friendship in no way.

Hell, my wife, a school teacher, will probably vote for Obama. This saint of a woman, who didn't blink when I walked in the door returning from a gunshow this weekend with a guide gun over a shoulder and two NIB Bulgarian milled AKs places a high value on the candidates views on education. The Republicans frankly have done a piss poor job on education reform. If she votes for Obama, I do not fault her logic.

Your views frankly strike me as unamerican. Our system values free choice and open and frank discussion. Your proposed actions are not unlike the Nazis you reference. You propose to alienate those for whom you care, and those who most likely care for you over one small vote.

To each their own.


Wow, where to start?
First it is note a single vote that bothers me. It is what they are voting for.
If I found out a friend of mine was a neo-nazi, a klansman, a earth-firster or a PETA member that would drastically affect my opinion of them. The beliefs of those groups are completely contradictory to mine. I do not wish to associate myself with those type of people. That is my choice, my decision and my right.
I am sure you have some great friends and obviously a fantastic wife even if you don't always agree on things. You can choose to do what you wish with them, that is your choice, not mine. If anything I would defend your right to do as you choose. I may not like you but I do recognize your rights along with your wife's rights just as I recognize my friends right to make their own decisions. That does not mean I have to agree.
Now for me being like a nazi.. wow...
First the nazis did not just walk away from those they didn't like. They threw many of them in camps, the word genocide comes to mind.
In no way do I wish to harm my friends. If anything I hope they live and grow and achieve enlightenment. I wish them the best of everything.I believe my post showed compassion for those different than I am.
If you or anyone else would like to go among these folk as a.. well, I guess missionary is the right word, and try to bring them to understand what the consequences of their actions could/would be then go right ahead. As for me I am tired of it and no longer have the strength to save the world.
Everyone else, thank you for your support and understanding. I fiugred there might be a few others that felt the same way.
Eric, I am not exactly ex-communicating them. I will still be friendly to them and talk to them when ever I see them but I will not go out of my way to do things with them. I will be much more reserved when we do get together and I am afraid I will not be able to treat them as confidants. I am sure you know what I mean.
Heck, I am sure most of you here that know me understand what I mean and how I feel.
Everyone, lets all have a good day and try to make the best out of whatever comes.
Link Posted: 10/16/2008 7:48:48 AM EST

Originally Posted By GaryM:

...If I found out a friend of mine was a neo-nazi, a klansman, a earth-firster or a PETA member that would drastically affect my opinion of them. The beliefs of those groups are completely contradictory to mine. I do not wish to associate myself with those type of people...


Comrade GaryM, perhaps you should look in the mirror!
Link Posted: 10/16/2008 9:06:46 AM EST

Originally Posted By Brother_Kane:

Originally Posted By GaryM:

...If I found out a friend of mine was a neo-nazi, a klansman, a earth-firster or a PETA member that would drastically affect my opinion of them. The beliefs of those groups are completely contradictory to mine. I do not wish to associate myself with those type of people...


Comrade GaryM, perhaps you should look in the mirror!



I don't understand. I never said anyone shouldn't be allowed to vote.
I only said that their decision on who to vote for will have an affect on my opinion of them. What in the world is wrong with that?

BTW, give it another 20+ years (I hope) and I will be laying under one of those tombstones.
Link Posted: 10/17/2008 1:06:47 AM EST
I have plenty of friends that do nothing but rant about obama, but I won't cut them off when they vote for him. Mainly because...

A. I'm one of those people that thinks our votes don't mean d!ck. I DO VOTE, I just think it's pointless anymore.

B. I'm very selective about who I allow around me, so what friends I do have are very close and a vote isn't going to ruin the solid friendship I have with them.

To each their own, you're entitled to your opinions/decisions and I'm in no position to judge.
Link Posted: 10/17/2008 3:40:59 AM EST
I will not speak for Gary, but I think I know what he is saying.

This is my view and might parallel Gary's. If someone votes for Obama, to me that is someone voting for a person that could very well push to take away some of my guns. If someone votes for Obama, this could lead to higher taxes than what McCain might get passed. Has anyone be listening to what Obama wants to do? Where is he going to get the money to do all of the wonderful pie in the sky things that he has been stumping his campaign on? Here we have someone who has no military experience. Very little time in any government office compared to McCain.

Sorry getting a wee bit off track. The point is this, how can I remain all lovey dovey with people who will vote away my right to take what ever gun I wish to take to the range, make some noise, try to put a little hole next to the "X" and have my brand of fun? I am not out to take anyone's elses fun away from them. Then just leave me the flock alone and let me have my brand of fun. But no!! These people will vote in such a manner that will infringe on my rights. And if the taxes do increase to pay for this or that endowment that only they will receive benefits, why should I have to smooch up to this assh*les and make nicey with them. Let them make gifts to this or that organization. Do you see any of your liberal anti-gun friends make donations to your local gun range? I can hardly see that. But they will take your money in the form of taxes and give that money to Planned Parent clinics. Fancy name for abortion clinics.

And why is ACORN allow to remain in business? They have proven time and time again to falsify documents by registering dead people to vote.

This flocking country is in a downward spiral and if we do not stand up and put peer pressure to the libs, well gents, see you in the bread lines and cardboard shanty towns soon enough.

Sorry for the rant, but I think a few of you here in MHTF needed it. I think Gary makes a very good point. How many of you are religious? And how many of you that raised your hands would go to an orgy? I hope that the answer is zero. But you would go out and witness to those kind of people, trying to sway them to the light and away from that life style, right? Well I suppose that is what Gary might be saying. Do not associate with them, but try to show them the error of their way. And once that is done, then be their best buds, but not till then.

Max
Link Posted: 10/17/2008 4:53:07 AM EST

Originally Posted By Max-Paul:

This flocking country is in a downward spiral and if we do not stand up and put peer pressure to the libs, well gents, see you in the bread lines and cardboard shanty towns soon enough.

Max


Dude, with a boxcutter, I could make a bitchin' looking cardboard turret to sit on top of my shanty....
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