At Cavalier Rifle and Pistol in Montpelier/Oilville, about 30 minutes west of Richmond by way of Rt.33 or I64 West.
Get there around 9am preferably, and you can be out of there around 11am or sooner, although we usually have a guy who makes a mean lunch. Lunch not included in range fees, so just throw him a few bucks .
$8.00 (I believe) per handgun, $2.00 for shotgun side match.
Bring about 100 rounds of handgun (I can almost guarantee it won't take 100 rounds for the course, more likely 50, but you never know), one 25 round box of 12 ga. (no larger shot than #6 birdshot) should do you fine.
Lots of fun. Did I say lots? I mean LOTS!
Feel free to email me at Templar@AR15.com or use the email icon to get me, or call me at work Saturday between 9am-6pm 804-746-0273 and ask for Tim if you have any questions. I can fax directions from work.
Hope to see you guys there.
What a freakin' blast! This was my first ever combat shoot and I held my own. I placed 4 in my handgun class (admittedly WELL behind those who qualified 4th in other classes) and 6th overall for shotgun.
I actually think they mis-classified me for the handgun. They put me in the "Custom Defensive Pistol" class. I run a stock 1911 in .45. If I were in the "Stock Service Pistol" group, I would have placed 7th.
The shotgun round was frustrating. On my first go-around, I scored a 12.5 in the first phase but screwed up and missed a target in the second and had a 28 second stage. The overall was really disappointing. It pissed me off so badly that I paid to shoot it again. This time, I missed two targets in the first phase but recovered enough to score an 18.13. The second phase was a blistering 11.75. Now, combine the better times of each round and that comes to a total of 24.25. The winning time was 24.08.
The whole thing was a blast. I plan on doing this as often as I can get away with.
Well, I had a great time as usual, but my shooting was WAY off. Definitely need to get some more trigger time with the CZ-75B.
I am also proof that you CAN miss with a shotgun. That's what extra ammo is for.
For those of you who missed it this time around, Cavalier has an IDPA match the last Sunday of every month. February's match will have a tactical rifle side match.
Here are some pics from the shoot.
And here I am trying to keep my large ass behind as much cover as I can.
It looks like it was a lot of fun. I will have to definitely give one of these a try one day. The problem for me is finding the time to go.
VA Gunnut, Cavalier has a match the last Sunday of every month, and Black Creek (in Eastern Hanover Co.) has one the second Saturday of every month, and Rivanna Rifle and Pistol (in Charlottesville) also has one ever month, but I can't remember which Saturday.
Lots of opportunities to shoot.
I can only make the Cavalier shoot because I work just about every Saturday.
Templar, I notice that you are wearing what appears to be a duty belt. Is this a specific class in the competition, or is that what you feel comfortable using?
VA Gunnut, I'm the rather large individual in the last picture, wearing the black jacket.
The two guys who are shooting in duty rigs are doing so because under IDPA rules, you must shoot from concealment unless you are law enforcement, then you can shoot with your duty rig.
I'm using a CZ-75B with a Galco Insturctor's belt, Price Western pancake holster, and Galco paddle double mag carrier, not the duty rigs.
Thanks for the info. I guess I should of read the captions a little better.
Looks like a lot of fun....I'm in on the next shoot, wherever that may be....
Templar, do you have directions/dates/times for the next shoots? I'm up in Springfield, but have gun, will travel.
Hey M4. I was at the shoot and will be at the next if I can find somebody to switch shifts with me. It will be on the last Sunday of the month. Templar can give you more details.
Depending on my work schedule, I may be able to carpool with you. I'm in Woodbridge and work in Springfield. Shoot me an e-mail later in the month and we can set it up.
Looks like a lot of fun!
Busy "Honeydoing" that day and didn't get to go. How about meeting up at the next one and getting a ARFCOM team together.
The last Sunday of every month is when Cavalier has it's matches.
I can fax a map to anyone who needs it.
Rivanna Rifle and Pistol also does a great IDPA set up, they are in Charlottesville.
Black Creek (in eastern Hanover) also does shoot.
Rivanna and Black Creek are on Saturdays, which I can't shoot because of my work schedule.
Yep. Lets try to make the next shoot. I can stop off and pick you up in Woodbridge on the way down, if that works.
Here's Rivanna R&P's website. It has some info and links for other IDPA shoots.
The last Sunday in February (at Cavalier, NOT Rivanna) will have a Tactical Rifle side match.
Shots won't be over 40 yards.
Hope to see you there!
Come on out on the last Suday of each month for IDPA. Here is a link to a Cavalier map and directions.
I'm sure Templar will cook up a good rifle side match stage for February.
Yep and Panzerschreck will do some mighty fine cooking!
I need to put a lot of trigger time in on HK for next month. I was not really used to that uncle mikes I got for use in armed security. I messed with it a little monday and think I have it down. I am also looking forward to this month's rifle sidematch. I will be firing 3 long guns I think. www.mattgowin.com I am currently making sure all 3 work the way I want. Was lots of fun, cant wait till next month.
The last Sunday of February is the 23rd.
I'm going to have a rifle side match this time, with a handgun stage as well.
Lots of fun for everyone.
Will 3 30rounders be enough for the rifle part?
Templar, Is the rifle sidematch restricted to iron sights or are optics OK?
Optics are OK, but a scope with magnification may not be the way to go, this is a short range affair, basically inside 40 yards.
If you have an electronic sight, the sight won't be allowed to be on until you have it in your hands.
I will have my "Dildo AK," my AR, and my G36 all having electronics. The extra speed, in my opinion, outweighs the extra second to turn it on.
Templar, do you know if there is a shoot this Sunday? Too much snow?
The shoot is on rain or shine, there will be some mud, and since you have to shoot from concealment, a jacket isn't any more of a hinderance than it would be in "real life".
Hope to see you guys out there.
Does anybody here shoot at the Rivanna matches? That's right down the road from me. I'd gladly go and embarass myself.
Alright... I'm good to go. I am trying to decide if three rifles is too much or not. The FAL is a must, the M14 would be a blast and I want to see how the scout scope works under pressure and the AR15 just to see if I do any better with a poodle shooter.
I'm leaving out of Woodbridge at 7:30 AM. I can't carpool because I am leaving from there to my girlfriend's house in Richmond. If anybody is interested in a caravan from Northern VA, let me know. We could meet up at the Mobil station at exit 158, Potomac Mills.
I'm going. I'll meet you guys over at the shoot. Driving a red Montero.
Primarily shoot at Cavalier, but get to go to Rivanna IDPA occasionally. Have to work most Saturdays so don't make it that often. Dave White and Phil Ofrias put on a great match. Their back up gun match for January was a lot of fun. Take your time and get good hits. Speed will come. Everyone is pretty friendly so come on out and have a good time.
I really wanted to go and try my G36 out but things sorta got all run together and I didnt make it. This weekend was my girlfriend's 21st birthday and she hardly ever drinks. We had a few last night at her place and didnt get to sleep until late. Considering I have had maybe 6hours of sleep over the last few days I was less than in good health this morning when I woke up to drive to the range. In fact I felt that I shouldnt drive a car due to my consumption the night before much less fire any weapons.
It just so happens that I will be able to make the black creek shoot this month. I was also wondering if there is anywhere else in Va that does rifle competitons. That way I do not have to wait 2 more months to fire my G36, AR15, and AK.
Well, it was cold and gray and the wind blew pretty hard, but we had a pretty good crew show up and still managed to have a blast. The sun did manage to come out later in the day.
I wasn't able to take any pics, I was the Range officer for most of the day and I was too damn cold and busy to take any, but they would have been good.
Virginia M4 and Cliffy109 made it, and we certainly hope that they make this a regular trip. Did miss you Koga.
The rifle course that I designed got turned into a pistol course as well due to the water logged main range. I think it's amusing that the guy who designed the scenario managed to shoot one of the "no shoot" hostage targets, but I consoled myself that the "no shoot" was either a collaborator, or French .
I did manage to win the rifle side match, with of all things, my Colt SP-1 AR-15 "Mouse Gun". I honestly thought I'd do better with the Springfield Armory SAR-48 FAL Para. Shot the course clean, no misses.
Here are the results of the match. Next month is the Qualifier, so that you can either get ranked in IDPA or increase your existing rank. There won't be time for a side match next month.
Cavalier IDPA 02/23/03
STOCK SERVICE PISTOL TIME SCORE
ANDY SWEENEY 34.79 39.79 1ST EX
T. WHITE 36.10 48.10
JIM TRIBOU (2) 38.16 49.16
WILLIAM VANSICKLE 49.90 51.90 1ST MM
HERMAN GIBSON 48.94 52.44
ERIC JENS 41.59 55.59
CHARLES HOLLOWAY 48.20 57.20 1ST SS
JIM TRIBOU 45.89 58.39
GUY LILLY (2) 50.11 59.11
JAMES BALDWIN (2) 45.31 67.31
BRIAN PRENDERGAST 52.73 67.73
RON CARTER 56.30 69.80
DAVE MARTIN 42.83 71.83
STUART PHILIPS 60.63 73.63
JAMES BALDWIN 46.67 73.67
BRIAN PRENDERGAST 53.60 74.10
JEREMY SAYLES (2) 63.74 74.74
GUY LILLY 55.51 75.01
STAN BLAIR 50.97 76.97
JEREMY SAYLES 70.81 81.81
STUART PHILIPS (2) 60.00 82.50
CHUCK WILLIAMSON 69.67 83.17
ENHANCED SERVICE PISTOL
SAM EDWARDS 30.74 37.24 1ST EX
LINDSAY DIETRICH 41.22 45.72 1ST MM
RON WHITE 47.39 51.39
JIM WILSON 41.74 51.44 1ST SS
J.P. MURPHY 47.18 54.18
TIM ORROCK 47.63 58.63
TONY ROGERS (2) 55.38 62.88
JEF GODFREY 48.82 67.32
CUSTOM DEFENSIVE PISTOL
TONY ROGERS 42.44 49.94 1ST MM
NEVITT MORTON 38.46 50.96
STEVE CLIFFORD (2) 49.82 58.82
LINDSAY DIETRICH (2) 58.95 59.95
GUY JACKSON 49.42 62.42
MARGO RAINES 58.15 64.15
STUART ASHTON 53.31 65.81
LOUIS ROJAS 59.48 65.98 1ST SS
HON KWAN (2) 60.74 68.24
STEVE CLIFFORD 49.38 68.38
HON KWAN 54.03 71.53
PAUL HUBER 53.91 74.91
STOCK SERVICE REVOLVER
LEE BRANCH 62.48 71.48 1ST SS
KEN ODOR 62.55 72.55 1ST MM
RANDY MCFARLAND 66.29 76.29
RIFLE SIDE MATCH TIME SCORE
TIM ORROCK 23.67 23.67 1ST
T. WHITE 18.49 24.49
SAM EDWARDS 21.05 25.55
ANDY SWEENEY 20.52 27.02
TIM ORROCK (2) 25.55 27.05
TIM ORROCK (3) 26.99 29.49
CHUCK WILLIAMSON 28.28 29.78
WILLIAM VANSICKLE 27.40 30.40
DAVE MARTIN AK47 29.61 30.61
STEVE CLIFFORD (2) 35.35 35.85
STEVE CLIFFORD (3) 26.51 36.01
STEVE CLIFFORD 27.13 40.13
HERMAN GIBSON 32.18 40.18
JIM TRIBOU 26.97 41.47
WILLIAM VANSICKLE (2) 40.27 43.27
ERIC JENS (2) 38.79 49.29
HON KWAN 29.46 51.96
ERIC JENS 34.23 54.73
JEF GODREY 22.43 54.93
Windy, cold and soggy, what better weather could you ask for? The creek was out of its banks. Sorry about the unmarked detour, it was due to high water. Thanks to all the Safety Officers and the Food Crew who made this match a success in harsh conditions. We had a lot of shooters who are new to the sport. We also had a good showing from the Richmond Police Department. We are glad to have the LE and the new guys experience our IDPA program. Thanks again the crew and all the shooters. Our next match will be a classifier on March 30, 2003. No side match is scheduled for March. T. White CAVP IDPA Match Director TWIDPA@AOL.COM 804-553-1179 RULES NOTE: Be sure to “pie the corner” and not expose yourself to unneutralized targets while using cover.
Congrats on the win, Templar, kicking booty and taking names. Templar's good course design allowed for dual use with the soggy range. Its always fun shooting rifles up close and personal.
Come on out for the IDPA classifier next month. Its a lot of fun if you've never shot one.
Damn, is there anywhere else that does rifle side matches or do they just do them if there is a request? I am going to be able to make it to black creek for once this month and wondered if they are going to do that one with a rifle or shotgun side match?
What a blast! I was furious at myself for a mental error but it turns out it would not have changed my third place finish in the CDP category (TWO to the body and ONE to the freakin' head!!!).
The rifle side match was great. I discovered a few things such as, optics are everything, rifles jam at the least opportune times and shooting a .308 in the "groove" is better than a .223 without rhythm.
I'll be back next month for the shotgun side match. We'll see if I can leave the mental errors at home this time.
Most rifle matches in central VA seem to be high power matches, more or less bullseye with a rifle.
Action style matches tend to be three gun matches. NRA in fairfax has a few three gun matches per year, usually on months with five Tuesdays. Their competition days are on Tuesdays with sign up in advance for a specific time slot. Lafyette in Yorktown has three gun matches. I believe there are three gun matches in Fredericksburg.
The range owner at Black Creek does not allow action style rifle matches. Andy will occasionally do a shotgun side or main match.
Oh...that's just great! Templar, I can't believe you posted the scores....I sucked!
I found out the hard way that you have to shoot the targets in the right order...duh.
Oh, and then my rifle was doubling on every trigger pull, so my rifle score sucked too!
AARG. Gotta fix that rifle. Good thing there's a show in Richmond this weekend. I need new parts.
Nice job running the shoot, Templar.
Oh...and the no-shoot target WAS French.
Dont like the target stuff as much because that takes the whole point out of the "practical" word. I really wish I coulda made it. I was about ready to walk out the door but things were still spinning... Bah.
Neway, I think I am sending my M4 upper to kurts kustom to get the barrel turned and a A3 compensater in place of that AK break. I am still trying to figure out why there is a baseball sized barrel under neath the forward handguard to begin with.
Templar, give me a yell sometime if you would when you head up to Cavalier. I would like to give my G36 a try at 300meters.
I'm glad everyone had a good time!
T. White is the match director, and his email is listed on the bottom of the scores that I posted. If you have any serious questions, he's the guy to email. I'll answer what I can though.
Virginia M4, don't worry man, no one knows you're "real" name, that's why I posted the scores. The names of the guilty will be changed to protect them....
I shot two 7.62 NATO "Main Battle Rifles" after shooting the Colt AR. My #2 rifle score was with a Springfield Armory SAR-48 Para (FN-FAL) with a 21" barrel, and a Springfield Armory M-1A. All three of my rifles were used with full length barrels and iron sights.
I'm a big believer in iron sights.
My handgun was a CZ-75B carried condition 1, cocked and locked, so I shoot in the Enhanced Service Pistol catagory.
I have been told that the guys shooting .308's were showering the other stage next to us with mud....so I'd like to apologize to anyone who we hit with the stuff. I thought for sure that Cliffy was going to have mud fly back onto the objective lense of his Scout scope on his M-1A.
Next month will be the Classifier, so if anyone needs to qualify and get ranked, this is the time to do it.
There will be no side match next month. The May side match should be a Tactical Shotgun course.
Thanks again for coming out and I hope everyone keeps coming out and having fun.
Just wanted to remind people that the IDPA Classifier will be held at Cavalier Rifle and Pistol on March 30 of this year, that's the last Sunday in March.
This will give new shooters a chance to get their rank, and older shooters a chance to increase theirs and stop sandbagging their scores.
See you all out there on the 30th!
I am definitely planning on going to this one. I am looking forward to it.
Sounds good. I'll be there and look forward to meeting some local ar15.com folks.
Does anyone else who has never shot in one of these find it itimidating? Or am I the only candy-ass on this board?
No reason to be intimidated, we really do welcome new shooters, it's a lot of fun, and the nervousness is a good thing, think of it as a kind of training.
Seriously, you'll be around a bunch of great people who will go out of their way to help you out.
Haven't been yet, plan on going this month for the first time. Looking forward to going...not really intimidated, but im sure the nerves will start when I'm walking to the firing line.
And if I have a lousy score...well hopefully I can make a few people laugh (including myself) and besides....Templar told me there will be some good food there...so it can't be all bad. he
Nosing around and I found this thread. Out of curiosity, was anyone at this past weekend's Blackwater?
Templar, that looks like Dave White re-loading in one of your pixs.
BTW, just in case anyone's interested, we shoot IDPA every other Wednesday night at The Range in Stafford. I just shoot there but nevertheless, it's a good bunch of folks.
Word is that Phil Strader, who just bought over Shooter's Paradise, is possibly planning to hold IDPA on the respective Wednesdays. In no time, we'll luck out here in NoVA with IDPA every Wednesday night.
i-Shot, that is indeed Dave White in all his glory. Those pics were taken at the January shoot.
Dave was telling me that they are planning their 3 gun match in May at Rivanna, and I'm going to try to get out there.
The great thing about IDPA is that you shoot what you carry, no need for expensive speed rigs and multi thousand dollar race guns, your stock M1911A1, Beretta, Glock, SIG, CZ, Browning, S&W, Ruger, etc. are what you shoot, using real world holsters.
Since there is no prize money, this is all about having a great time with a bunch of great people and hopefully learning from mistakes made on the range instead of when it really counts.
I thought it was Dave. Shot with him at last month's VA Regional Indoors (NCRR) and Dave was the CSO at Blackwater. I sponsored both events and am looking forward to being a sponsor (& shooter) at Dave's Commonwealth Cup.
I need to start getting involve in 3-gun. I know the folks in NC do quite a bit of it, especially Frank Glover's group. I think the 3-gun's gonna be the next IT.
I have to concur with what you're saying about IDPA. Like you, I shoot the CZ75B. Nothing fancy. That's what IDPA is all about. And that's why I support it whole heartedly.
There may be no prize money BUT those door prizes are something to look forward to, eh?
BTW, just in case anyone's interested, I will soon be starting a VA shooter's forum on my site, essentially for everyone to post events they're hosting or in their locality and more.
I'll keep you folks posted.
Well, Templar gave me the final push of encouragement I needed to get my sorry ass out there. See you on Sunday!
BTW, do they give you a walk-through of the course before you shoot it?
They do give a walk through at each stage but they only do it once and you may not be there for all of them. That isn't a big problem though. You can watch other people. I also suggest being a helpful volunteer and walk forward with the scorers to tape up the holes. You will see what you actually need to shoot and pay attention to. I learned a lot by doing this.
VA Gunnut asked me what he needed to bring, and I thought I'd post that here as well.
Try to get out there around 9am or so, or close to it.
I'll try my best to be out there at 9am, and I'll do all I can to help new shooters get signed up.
Everyone (well, most everyone... ) will be very friendly and will help you out as much as you need.
The Classifier is a 90 round course fo fire, so bring two boxes of ammo, and as many magazines as you can, but you need at least three magazines, or three speed loaders.
The holster needs to be something practical, no IPSC race gun holsters, and you should have a magazine carrier that holds two magazines, or two single carriers. If you don't have carriers, don't sweat it too much, you can put the extra magazines in your back pocket, or someone may loan you carrier.
Bring a light jacket, "shoot me first because I'm wearing a photographer's vest and I don't have a camera" vest, or shirt that you can wear over your gun and holster. It doesn't need to be 100% concealed, but as long as you made the effort, that's what is important.
Don't worry about the walk through, we'll make sure you understand the course of fire. Helping paste up targets, as Cliffy suggested, is a great idea too and helps move the match along.
IDPA Website: www.idpa.com
Here is the IDPA Classifier course of fire:
Defensive Pistol Classification Match
String 1 Position #1 Draw and fire 2 shots to the body and 1 to head on T1. 3 shots
String 2 Position #1 Draw and fire 2 shots to the body and 1 to head on T2. 3 shots
String 3 Position #1 Draw and fire 2 shots to the body and 1 to head on T3. 3 shots
String 4 Position #1 Draw and fire 2 shots at each head T1 - T3. 6 shots
String 5 Position #1 Start gun in "WEAK" hand pointed down range at a 45 degree angle, safety may be off, but finger must be out of trigger guard, fire 1 shot at each T1 - T3. 3 shots
String 6 Position #1 The shooter will load three rounds maximum in the handgun and begin standing, facing up-range (back to target). On the start signal, the shooter will turn, draw, and engage targets T1 through T3 with one round each. The shooter will then perform a slide-lock reload and re-engage targets T1 through T3 with one round each. 6 shots
String 7 Position #1 Draw and fire 2 shots at each T1 - T3 "STRONG" hand only. 6 shots
String 1 Position #2 Draw and advance toward targets, fire 2 shots at each T1 - T3 while moving forward (all shots must be fired while moving) there is a forward fault line at the 5 yds line for this string. 6 shots
String 2 Position #3 Draw and retreat from targets, fire 2 shots at each T1 - T3 while retreating (all shots must be fired while moving). 6 shots
String 3 Position #2 (Load 6 rounds MAX. in pistol) Start back to targets, turn and fire 2 shots at each T1 - T3, reload from slidelock and fire 2 shots at each T1 - T3. 12 shots
String 4 Position #2 Draw and fire 2 shots at each T1 - T3 "STRONG" hand only. 6 shots
STAGE-3 20 Yards (Bianchi style barricade and 55 gal. barrel required)
String 1 Position #4 Draw and fire 2 shots at each T1 - T3 from either side of barricade, perform a Tactical Reload -or- a Reload With Retention and fire 2 shots at each T1 - T3 from the opposite side of barricade. 12 shots
String 2 Position #4 Draw and fire 2 shots at each T1 - T3 from either side of barricade, perform a Tactical Reload -or- a Reload With Retention and advance to Position #5, fire 2 shots at each T1 - T3 from around either side of 55 gal. barrel. 12 shots
String 3 Position #5 Draw, kneel and fire 2 shots at each T1 - T3 from around either side of 55 gal. barrel. 6 shots
Start position for all strings EXCEPT Stage One/String 5 is hands naturally at your side.
Classifier - 0001
BREAKDOWN OF CLASSIFICATION SCORES BY DIVISION
98.82 or less Master
98.83 - 120.00 Expert
120.01 - 152.73 Sharpshooter
152.74 - 210.00 Marksman
210.01 or more Novice
89.41 or less Master
89.42 - 108.57 Expert
108.58 - 138.18 Sharpshooter
138.19 - 190.00 Marksman
190.01 or more Novice
91.76 or less Master
91.77 - 111.43 Expert
111.44 - 141.82 Sharpshooter
141.83 - 195.00 Marksman
195.01 or more Novice
102.35 or less Master
102.36 - 124.29 Expert
124.30 - 158.18 Sharpshooter
158.19 - 217.50 Marksman
217.51 or more Novice
Note: This table is for use with .5 second per point down scoring.