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Posted: 3/26/2006 4:09:41 PM EDT
Reading about the "Capital Hill MASSACRE" all day long from the news reporters who seem to be overjoyed to sensationalize this situation, my guess is tomorrow, Gregoire is going to be calling for an assault weapons ban even though none were used in the crime. Gerlikowski seem very focused on the fact that the murderer used a pistol grip shotgun, and had bandoleers of ammo, "banana" clips etc. Seems to be a gift for Washington Ceasefire's hopes of disarming us. I hope I'm wrong, but it seems like the liberals in this state will use any excuse to ban firearms they can, nevermind the facts. So what do you all think?
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By the time the next legislative session rolls around this will be old news.
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I'm suprised we havn't heard more on the subject. Surely it will come up again before she succumbs to Dino.
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The Tacoma Mall incident didn't do anything to even come CLOSE to closing the "Gunshow Loophole".....It would seem that one or two people try to get these laws passed, and every year, they find out that there are WAY more people interested in them not passing.....
Lets keep it this way. and work on keeping the nutjobs in prison or California. |
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They started on it right away
releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=62930
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ETA: Fuck I'm gonna piss my pants.....
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I am sure ceasefire and the news media will start polling in the next few days.
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so using there same ''facts" 1/3 of gun deaths in King CO occur outside the home (public places?) 77 percent of homes in Washington are unarmed (victims in waiting) 6 out of seven guns are safely stored locked up in WA state, that other gun is either improperly stored or not needed to be to be locked up for whatever reason (owner home w/ gun and no kids??) |
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Excellent point about reversing their facts and figures, might want to check your math though, your point was too good to have it mis-stated.
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Violence begins between someone's ears, and the choice of weapon, or none at all, does not matter after a decision to harm someone is made.
More people are kiled by vehicles than by guns. Ban and destroy those death machines, every last one of them! (that's called sarcasm, folks) |
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Same shit...different day. It gets old listening to these people.
The thing is they are appealing to a lot of young impressionable people, especially in city settings. People that typically don't have a lot of common sense and that are not lacking in self-induldgence. When I was in high school all I really heard was that guns were evil. And anybody that was pro-gun was "a gun nut" or a "psycho". Contrary to what older, wiser people say when I chat with them...I don't ever recall my teachers professing guns = evil. My personal belief is that it starts in the home. If you teach your kids gun safety, common sense, and respect for others the people attempting to take away our rights would be a tiny, less significant thorn in the ass. -Rob |
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Guess I better get ready to turn my guns in for some Wal Mart gift cards!!
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This mindless drivel has been said for years....
And it continues to sound so stupid. |
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+1 I hate to view anything of this tragic crime as a silver lining, but the timing could not have been more fortuitous in our effort to protect our rights. |
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Maybe we can start a "gun watch." I've seen a website that has been (or at least was) monitoring an "evil" AR-15 with bayonet attached since the AWB ended in 2004, making sure it didn't make any moves to attack people. Maybe we could do the same thing.
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www.assaultweaponwatch.com/ |
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ummmm...duh...blonde moment, thats what I get for trying to quickly log on a work. but hey.... its statistics/polls...not like the anti gun groups don't skew the numbers to suit them |
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ummmm...duh...blonde moment, thats what I get for trying to quickly log on at work.
fixed ....damn I can't seem to get anything right! |
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My favorite "Facts" from ceasefire....
http://www.washingtonceasefire.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=13&Itemid=28
SO, 9 * 365 = 3285 people under the age of 18 die per year in the US.
SO. 2001 - 1997 = 4 years 287/4 = 71.75 average people under the age of 19 died per year in the US. WHICH IS IT? 71.75 or 3285 ? |
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If you can wait I'll get you the accurate numbers after I get home from work and have access to my reference data. |
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Annother good one:
24/7.5 = 3.2 per day 3.2*365 = 1168 So the new number per year is 1168 |
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From the Gun Facts link, on the WA HTF Help & Links page;
(Information may be somewhat dated) |
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Probably easier to read here, and it includes a graph.
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I agree, but I dont see this as a tragic crime... I see it as more oxygen for the rest of us... Sorry, But I guess the Asshole part of me is not to upset about a bunch of young adults paying the price for doing illegal drugs, and someone flipping out. Im more upset that the spin is on the firearms, and not the illegal activity that caused it. |
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You're using Assault-Math. You need to just "feel" the numbers... And 9 kids/day vs 3.2 kids/day is explained by 3 of them getting back in line again, 2 or them rose from the dead and 1 was just lying really still. |
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Some more bullshit from our favorite gun control group. Is ceasefire going by the poll that was at 80% against gunshow bans before they yanked the poll?
Deborah Wang; KUOW December 13, 2005 Gun control advocates released a poll Monday saying that the majority of Washington state residents favor more restrictions on the sale of guns at gun shows. They say the poll lends support to legislation that would require background checks for all gun show transactions. |
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I know 10 Doctors...and I can tell you that 9 out of 10 of them actually think that chewing trident in between meals actually kills kittens. |
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You can contact her at [email protected] to ask where she got the information.* *from: www.kuow.org/staff_deb_wang.asp |
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Some comments from Ken"pizza face" Schram
Ken Schram Commentary: Guns DO Kill People March 27, 2006 By Ken Schram SEATTLE - A lunatic in Seattle slaughters six people at a house party. A guy in the Midwest shoots and kills a teenager for walking across his lawn. A minister's wife down South blows the back of her husband's head off while he's sleeping. And yet gun fanatics are outraged that people like me think that too many guns, in the hands of too many people, has created a national crisis. 300,000 kids' charm bracelets are being pulled from stores because one 4-year old died after swallowing a piece of the jewelry. Yet even though there are more than 11,000 people a year murdered by guns here in the U.S., more guns are more easily available then ever before. Spineless, cowardly politicians remain intimidated by the pro-gun lobby even though 75% of the people in this country don't even own a gun. Death is tucked away in too many bedside tables. Death is left to descend on house parties, school hallways and shopping malls because groups like the NRA have sold a bumper-sticker mentality as being a literal interpretation of the 2nd Amendment. Bottom line: Guns DO kill people. And it's time to stop it. Tomorrow, some ideas on how to do that. Want to share your thoughts with Ken Schram? You can e-mail him at [email protected] And be sure to catch Ken Schram and John Carlson on their new radio show, "THE COMMENTATORS." Airing Monday through Friday, from 10 till noon on KOMO 1000, Ken and John will be delving into news of the day offering their own particular brand of insight and perspective - with a healthy dose of irreverence and humor thrown in for good measure. Email This Story | Printer-friendly Version |
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On the 9 children per day claim, if we specify that children are ages 17 to >1 and you use the years 1990 through 2003 the average (not adjusting for leap years) number of deaths for all intents (homicide, unintentional, suicide, legal intervention, undetermined) is 6.38454 if you use the age range of 18 to >1 it changes to 8.96908. For the same age groups but using the years 1997 through 2001 the results change to 4.935890411 and 7.127123288. The last year which data is currently available for is 2003 the numbers for that year would be 3.6 and 5.528767123. In fact In fact except for a small upturn in 2002 (10 more deaths total, from 1433 to 1443, than in the prior year of 2001 in the >1 through 17 age range) the average per day numbers of both age ranges have consistently decreased every year since 1994.
I'm going to go with this claim as referring to Washington State only, but the total for 1997 through 2001 for ages >1 through 18 is 214. for ages >1 through 19 it's 298. All the above data is collected from the CDC. We all knew that they cherry picked their data anyway. |
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Did you send this to here and ask how she got that info from that pole? |
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I'm so sick of people saying that our founding fathers could not have foreseen the modern gun, they sure as hell were more likely to have imagined a semi auto rifle than cell phones and the internet but I never hear the same argument used to curtail free speech.
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Ceasefire didn't run their gunshow poll online, however the PI did and the results were 180 degrees out from Ceasefires poll, which didn't even ask directly about gunshows. |
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I'm sure that someone will someday. |
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Its always interesting to see the outrage at the number of people shot and killed every year. Yet at the same time there is little outrage at the number of people killed by drunk drivers or little done about it. Drive drunk, pay a fine, lose your license, do it again. Drive drunk on a suspended license, pay a fine, maybe spend a few days in jail. Continue to drive drunk on a suspended license, pay a fine, spend a few more days in jail this time. How is that being shot isn't even one of the ten leading casues of death in the country but it gets 99% of the attention.
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And KIRO 7 running the ominous headline tonight at 11:00;
"suspect owned an AR-15 too (while showing his on a table, with a loaded up 3x30 Redimag, which they claim was in his truck with the AR-15, a baseball bat, and a machete), Settle Police say he COULD have killed hundreds"..... Did anybody else see this tonight? Tell me how are we ever going to get a fair shake going up against that? And since when has COULD ever meant jack, and how is a hypothetical able to make the news? And I call BS on the allegation it was in his truck. No way is a sick ass guy bent on killing a house full of people going to pass up a portable ninety rounds in an AR, to reach over it and get a .12ga shotgun. I would like to see the evidence sheet to see where the AR was recovered because I can't get over that one. On many levels. |
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For what it is worth the Bushmaster was registered to him for at least ten years according to the reporter. |
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It's only a matter of time now. |
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Rosenthal is a tool. His "pro-gun" organization is nothing but another Brady bunch outlet.
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....if an idividual is determined to commit a violent crime..... they will do it.... a gun mearly makes it easier for them then trying to use a sword or hammer or ax...... take away the gun, they will find something else....
....just like going to Seattle.... faster in a car then trying to ride a horse....(but then again, why would I want to go to Seattle...)
Because they want to disarm the people. Doing it all at once won't work. They'll take it little by little, one gun at a time. The "sporting use" is hog wash. Next thing you know, we'll be back to owning muzzle loaders ......... And they'll probably make it so that they're not the same caliber too. |
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Still waiting for the elitist media types to need a weapon to defend themselves. then it'll go uncovered. (then again a fair bunch of them probably carry and don't publicize it) They want the guns in the hands of The Law and not us mindless bunch of criminal would be BOOBS. What is that rifle the SWAT teams use anyway? Oh thats right, the rest of us are just would be criminal BOOBS that only care about ourselves and doing harm to others...(Sarcasm at its best.)
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Agreed on keeping it this way but consider who the one or two people are. All you guys who were at the SB hearing on the gun show "loophole" bill last year remember where they sat: In the front of the public space with the other uniforms, and up on the rostrum next to their leader Senator Adam Kline. We got -lucky- there IMO (and thanks to a buncha folks from this forum for showing up), Luke Esser stuck up for us and Marylin Rassmussen backed down in her support, thanks in part to the large number from our side sittingin the audience. But I don't think we should chalk it up to anything other then luck because the support for stopping "terrorists gun bazarrs" amongst those senators was strong. And the thing about all this palather from ceasefire is that it helps them build their base. Sure, this is to far from the election to have the impact they would like, but they are fundraising and recruiting volunteers and ... at the grassroots level less of that is happening on our side, I think. I expect we'll continue to see the gunshow "loophole" bills dropped in the hopper every year, like a drumbeat. We gotta be there when that happens. clawista 92 (bias: I like gun shows so much, I'm a director at one) |
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During the exective session where the Judiciary Committee voted down SB 5343 Kline said "I think I know where the votes are and I understand that this bill may not pass but it's got to come up every year, and we've got to be faced with this every year, until we have a little sense" |
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