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Posted: 1/31/2011 6:39:41 AM EDT
With the 30rds or under limit in the state.
How do they sale Calico with their 50 rds and 100 rds
magazine in the state?
If they do not sale them now. I'm sure they did a few years back.
If they are illegal, what did the owners do, move?

PITA45
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 7:35:09 AM EDT
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edit:  I have no idea what I'm talking about. NM
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 7:45:20 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/31/2011 8:42:26 AM EDT
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Quoted:
With the 30rds or under limit in the state.
How do they sale Calico with their 50 rds and 100 rds
magazine in the state?


buying and selling or owning a magazine that holds  over 30 rounds isn't illegal.   if it were,  you would not see any mags opening being sold in gun shops, gunshow etc....  so get off the kick that it is illegal to own/have  a mag over 30 rounds. now, loading and putting the mag in the gun is a different matter, except if it's .22.  that  law does not include mags that hold .22 ammo, just centerfire ammo.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 12:35:30 PM EDT
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most people/dealers dont knowits not legal to have a 50rd mag in a (non NFA) gun in OH.


Lets shoot for clarity here please.

For center fire ammunition:

The fact is you can own all the 30, 42, 50, 100 and 120 round magazines your heart desires in Ohio.

The law says that you shall not have more than 31 rounds loaded into said magazine unless associated with a title II weapon.

IF you have 31 loaded or belted rounds or go so far as to have two magazines taped together that total more than 31 rounds associated with a title I weapon then it becomes "dangerous ordnance".

Now only a shit head cop would pop you for this, but considering Ohio cops, well, you'll probably get popped.

The last case I recall was in bedford and the prosecutor was Thomas Longo (of Mafia fame) who used "dangerous ordanance" as a "tack on" charge for some poor bastard that taped two 25 round Uzi mags together. It was plead away and dropped (which was expected), but it is a tool that cops and prosectors use to fuck up your day.

Edited to correct round count.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 3:21:24 PM EDT
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Quoted:



Quoted:

most people/dealers dont knowits not legal to have a 50rd mag in a (non NFA) gun in OH.




Lets shoot for clarity here please.



For center fire ammunition:



The fact is you can own all the 30, 42, 50, 100 and 120 round magazines your heart desires in Ohio.



The law says that you shall not have more than 31 rounds loaded into said magazine unless associated with a title II weapon.



IF you have 31 loaded or belted rounds or go so far as to have two magazines taped together that total more than 31 rounds associated with a title I weapon then it becomes "dangerous ordnance".



Now only a shit head cop would pop you for this, but considering Ohio cops, well, you'll probably get popped.



The last case I recall was in bedford and the prosecutor was Thomas Longo (of Mafia fame) who used "dangerous ordanance" as a "tack on" charge for some poor bastard that taped two 25 round Uzi mags together. It was plead away and dropped (which was expected), but it is a tool that cops and prosectors use to fuck up your day.





What's that supposed to mean?
And to the OP, for what its worth, most LEO's here in Ohio (at least the ones that I know), wouldn't care less how many you had in your mag..let alone know that state law limits it to 31. I've been into guns since I was born, have been an LEO for over 12 years, and until joining ARF and reading the Ohio HTF, I had no idea there was a mag limit. Having said that, though, I wouldn't want to test that.

Link Posted: 1/31/2011 3:30:12 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/31/2011 3:55:59 PM EDT
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The word is SELL.  Why do people have such a difficult time with this???


Thank you.  I really wanted to post this, but thought I'd leave it to the Mod.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 3:58:07 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/31/2011 4:34:12 PM EDT
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Quoted:
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most people/dealers dont knowits not legal to have a 50rd mag in a (non NFA) gun in OH.


Lets shoot for clarity here please.

For center fire ammunition:

The fact is you can own all the 30, 42, 50, 100 and 120 round magazines your heart desires in Ohio.

The law says that you shall not have more than 30 rounds loaded into said magazine unless associated with a title II weapon.

IF you have 31 loaded or belted rounds or go so far as to have two magazines taped together that total more than 30 rounds associated with a title I weapon then it becomes "dangerous ordnance".

Now only a shit head cop would pop you for this, but considering Ohio cops, well, you'll probably get popped.

The last case I recall was in bedford and the prosecutor was Thomas Longo (of Mafia fame) who used "dangerous ordanance" as a "tack on" charge for some poor bastard that taped two 25 round Uzi mags together. It was plead away and dropped (which was expected), but it is a tool that cops and prosectors use to fuck up your day.

Edited to correct round count.



Having 2, 25 or 30 round mags taped together is not illegal. The law reads if you can fire more than 31 rounds without reloading you are in violation.  Mag couplers still require reloading.  The law is also pretty clear in how they use the word "adapting" a weapon to fire more than 31 rounds without reloading.  
I have in the past sold Calico's with the drum attached and Galils with the 35rd mag attached on display in my store.  Attaching the magazines adapted those weapons to fire more than 31rounds.  I will no longer sell a gun with a magazine over 30rds.  I'll sell beta mags, I'll sell 32rd Glock mags, I'll sell 75rd AK drums, but I wont sell them with a gun.  

A local customer a couple years ago was arrested for having a 40rd mag in his AR, which was only loaded with 25rds.   He adapted his gun to fire 40rounds without reloading.  He said it cost him almost $15K to go through the process and win the case to get his guns back.  He won because his AR was a registered SBR.


§ 2923.11. Sec E reads;

(E) "Automatic firearm" means any firearm designed or specially adapted to fire a succession of cartridges with a single function of the trigger. "Automatic firearm" also means any semi-automatic firearm designed or specially adapted to fire more than thirty-one cartridges without reloading, other than a firearm chambering only .22 caliber short, long, or long-rifle cartridges.  

Interpretation is open to the prosecutor and the Judge. Much like in your case with a 40 rd mag in an SBR SHOULD have been OK, it wasn't because of the prosecutors interpretation of the statute. And much like the prosecutor in my case, two magazines taped together can most certainly get you arrested. It may not stick, and in this case, much like your 40 rnd AR mag, it did not.

So no,the law is not "pretty clear", and it does not clearly define "specially adapted" nor does it address semi belt fed weapons, which are wholly "designed" to fire more than 31 rounds without reloading.

Link Posted: 1/31/2011 5:02:56 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/31/2011 5:03:08 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/31/2011 5:11:37 PM EDT
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So no,the law is not "pretty clear", and it does not clearly define "specially adapted" nor does it address semi belt fed weapons, which are wholly "designed" to fire more than 31 rounds without reloading.



A semi auto belt fed, that has more than 31rounds linked is in violation.  A semi auto belt fed with a 250rd belt with only 10rds loaded is in violation.


Show me a determination from the Ohio AG on this and I will step right up to plate and stand corrected, as I have not seen one in print. If it is in the FFL handbook tell me the page so I can go read it. My casual conversation with a couple of Cuyahoga County prosecutors have told me that "specially adapted" and especially "designed" are open to interpretation.
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