Quoted: I understand that not everything is going to be in stock all the time but you should at least be able to tell your customer when they should be expecting their order.

Brother, I absolutely agree with you on that. However, the factories that make the gear do not know how to tell us truthfully when they will supply us with their goods. I wish I knew how to forcast otherwise.

I refuse to be the place that will tell you an exact, but untrue answer just to get along to the next thing, just to get you off of my phone and happy for the moment. If we don't know, we don't know -- you will only get a 'generic' answer because it is better than selling you a line. I will not allow my employees who answer the phones to do that.

I also posted a thread in the industry link to see if anyone in there has had the same experience and one person said that "They're an outstanding company to deal with" and this is my reply to him. If that's what you're saying than you must be on of the more fortunate person that has ordered items that they had in stock. As for the rest of the general public if they don't have the item then the tell you that they don't have it. If you ask when they will have it in stock then they give you an undeterimed time that they will have it. Also that it is no fault of their own nor do they take an extra steps to insure that the customer is satisfied. So I think I will have to still to my decision. They next time I need something from online and they are the only person online that has it I will probably just buy it locally even if it is higher in price by like $10 after tax. At least at that point I know that I have was I want and or need and not have to guess if my items are coming in the mail. Like I was saying before this was the first time, only time, and last time I will ever purchase anything from Light Fighter.

I suppose you are going to spam the boards with this type of thread????  Isn't there another one posted elsewhere????

I hate trolls.

Quoted: I don't think he was spamming, merely looking for some Texas hometown feedback as well as feedback from other areas.  Not all of us read the entire board content, just the hometown forum.....ok ok sometimes the EE   www.members.aol.com/blackthree2001/yes.jpg

Wasn't a statement.  Was a question.  I'd like to know if he plans to post the SAME thing in many more places?

He IS trolling.  He is not looking for feedback from anyone.  He has an ax to grind.  Period.

Quoted: I'm not trolling. I originally posted in the hometown forum. Then some one had suggested that I post it in the industry forum as well to see what kind of response I get and that was it.

Any discussion in the other thread that is not within YOUR experience profile is being questioned....

So you ask for our experiences and then dismiss them.

I'd say just leave your experience as a feedback post.  In the proper forum, not hunt for an open discussion/bashing session of a board sponsor.

My one experience with them was marginal, at best, but they made it right -- at the end of the day I got my gear.

If you are so "high speed" that you need your gear YESTERDAY, then LF may not be the shop for you.

Move on with your life.

Quoted: SHIVAN you're one to talk about trolling, spamming, and axe grinding. All you are is just a hypocrite. You're going from one thread to another just looking for something to instigate. You've already told your exprience and your two cent. So why don't you move on?

Really?  Hypocrite?  Interesting.  Please elaborate.

I rarely post the same topic in multiple places.  I might venture that I NEVER do it.  So wouldn't be guilty of spamming.

I don't make posts to simply incite people's reactions, nor do I feign ignorance of a situation to create a discussion, then pounce on the respondents discrediting thier claims.  I may defend MY position but I never do it under false pretense, nor do I voice my opinion SOLELY to illicit a negative reaction.  So I wouldn't really call myself a troll.

I have had quite a few issues with quite a few vendors on the board.  You will rarely see much more than an informational post or informative post regarding the situation, then I move on.  For example, I could have bashed Lightfighter all day long and twice on Sunday for the way they initially handled my order.  Didn't happen.  So I wouldn't say I have an ax to grind with anyone in particular.

Now let's analyze your posts again, shall we?

Asking for board members input on their experiences with a board sponsor.  Once some opinions were given that didn't mesh with your experience you told the posters to check the this thread for counterpoints to their experience.  Creating an argument.  That was preconceived and the ENTIRE purpose of your post{trolling}.  The cause of this thread, and the other one, was poor service from the vendor in question, your only way to "pay back" the favor was to try to find similarly dissatisfied customers.{ax grinding}  Multiple posts of the EXACT same topic in different forum sections is commonly frowned on, unless of utmost importance.  I was questioning if there would be more posts of the same variety -- apparently two forums was enough.

Now you've got my interest, why would I move on?

Quoted: SHIVAN is it my fault that you're probably a 33 year old wanna be solider that is still living with his mommy and daddy? It is also not any fault of mine that being a moderator on this site is what gets you through your day knowing that this is the best that you can accomplish.

I see, we like to engage in personal attacks.  Is the internet the only place in your life that you can "speak up" and feel like you have some power?

I don't recall aspiring to be a bullet magnet, aka professional soldier, nor do I buy a bunch of high speed gear just to be cool.

Yes, being a moderator keeps my hopes up that I might one day be able to drive the ARFCOMM Yugo around the parking lot and maybe I might get to polish EdSr's boots.  The pay is excellent and the benefits are great!!!  Most mods are "volunteered" for duty.....not the other way around.

Quoted: I'm gonna post a few of my thoughts on this subject. 1. I dont think he is bashing LF, simply pointing out a flaw in their ordering system which can be improved(A simple Not in Stock by items they dont ahve in stock). 2. He paid for something for a tactical class, and did not get it in time (Still havnt gotten half of it).Two threads on this topic and I never heard this..... 3. LF responded, with yet another generic answer of (well we cant tell you waht we dont know). See comment #1. 3. I dont think anyone is trolling. He tried point out a flaw in LF's ordering system. And now he's getting bashed, just because he said that about an industries partner? I am done with this thread, I think he's got a good point about LF needs to take a que from Bravo Company or ADCO in listing an item Out of Order. As I said time and again, the gun industries works in a very technology illiterate area of the internet. And LF should take this simply as constructive criticism, and not anything other than that.

Bashed? Oh please.  Has our skin gotten so thin that people can't disagree?

When I placed my order with LF, 98% of the stuff was in stock.  When it came time to run my card, and pack my boxes with stuff, some of that gear had been sold off the shelf.  Like the specific color Camelbak I ordered....

Real time beats any update to a website.  Even if they update the website once a day there may be lag.

When folks have a story to tell, they tell it.  They don't feign like they don't know.  That's childish and a poor attempt at deception.

Just come out with it.....

Quoted: Thats just it Shivan, If you will read, you will see they do not list if the item is in/out of stock...

If you will read, my stuff WAS in stock when I ordered, so if they used the method you described it wouldn't have changed the outcome.  It was in stock the day I used the website to order it.  It was out of stock the next day when they went to package it.  I only know for sure about the Camelbak.

I've come to realize that we are a society of coddled pricks.

Quoted: Quoted: I've come to realize that we are a society of coddled pricks. Can I borrow that?

Surely.