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9/19/2017 7:27:10 PM
Posted: 10/19/2003 4:40:38 PM EDT
Angel Shamaya of keepandbeararms.com took exception to a couple of things that Joe Waldron said about him, so Shamaya went on the list and threated to sue both Joe Waldron and Dave Workman.

I called Shamaya a fucking pussy bitch since he can't let his own talking and actions speak for themselves and instead went right to threateneing to sue Workamn and Waldron.

Mike Brown, the owner of the list seems like he is lacking a set of balls since he bootem me from the list.

Oh well.

HAHA!
Link Posted: 10/19/2003 5:07:01 PM EDT
So apperently they are real 1st amendment advocates eh?
Link Posted: 10/19/2003 5:17:04 PM EDT
I don't think your foul language or attitude belongs on this site or anywhere. If you have to resort to vulgarity in a public forum, your intellect and language skill must be low. Grow up and act lik an adult or find another forum to vent your deficient intellect.
Link Posted: 10/19/2003 6:12:09 PM EDT
Ohhh...shit, apparently we have a few visitors who dont believe in the first amendment, oh well, fuck em.
Link Posted: 10/19/2003 10:27:28 PM EDT
That's ok, he is entitled to his opinion.
And he is entitled to express it in any means he wishes.

I can't help but notice that most gun grabbing liberals will resort to the same tired fucking old shit when a person expresses themselves - "Your language, waaa, waaa, waaa".


Originally Posted By PleikuPioneer:
I don't think your foul language or attitude belongs on this site or anywhere. If you have to resort to vulgarity in a public forum, your intellect and language skill must be low. Grow up and act lik an adult or find another forum to vent your deficient intellect.

Link Posted: 10/20/2003 8:32:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/20/2003 9:05:08 AM EDT by CavVet]

Originally Posted By PleikuPioneer:
I don't think your foul language or attitude belongs on this site or anywhere. If you have to resort to vulgarity in a public forum, your intellect and language skill must be low. Grow up and act lik an adult or find another forum to vent your deficient intellect.




And who are you to chastise him for his behavior and question his intellect in this forum? There are moderators here and you are not one of them. Your hall monitor status is expired. He did find another forum, you ran him off. And now all you anal guys over at CCW can go back to your Capital Hill Circle Jerk. BTW, How bout a nice cup of STFU!



LMFAO. I could have warned you about that group. I was edited by Brown a few times in a row a few years ago (OT citing, they never go OT). They seem to have their panties in a bunch over stating your mind in an open and honest manner. You must be according to Hoyle and have their nuts in your mouth at the same time or you are castigated.

I wont piss on their heads and tell them its raining. Fuck 'em. All of them. Boy do I miss Workmans constant begging for people to buy his damn book! [rollingeyes]


[opinion]That said I do have to admit, while they are a bunch of tight assed, stuck up, arrogant, egotistical assholes in the first order, some of them spend a LOT of time and personal resources on RKBA at the Legislative level. Im not 100% sold that is the best thing, but I am sure they are more palatable to the sheep and the leaders rulers than my blunt, no compromise, fact filled diatribe. I guess in the big scheme of things an enemy of my enemy is still my friend.
Link Posted: 10/20/2003 8:05:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CavVet:
Boy do I miss Workmans constant begging for people to buy his damn book! [rollingeyes]



Aint that the truth!
Link Posted: 10/20/2003 8:18:27 PM EDT

Well, the first ammendment isn't really relevant in private forums... but at the same time, I think any forum that doesnt' have extremely lax rules isn't worth participating in.

I once posted a question there, and had some TSA weenie flame me.... assuming I was a terrorist! effing idiot, course they do work for the TSA so what do you expect. (Any TSA employees reading this-- go get another job, you can't be happy violating everyones 4th ammendment rights every day...)

I'm still wary of this forum after seeing the crap that the ak47.nutz moderators perpetrate.

Link Posted: 10/20/2003 8:32:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DonGalt:

Well, the first ammendment isn't really relevant in private forums...



Which is it Don.....The above or below???



Any TSA employees reading this-- go get another job, you can't be happy violating everyones 4th ammendment rights every day...



IMHO, Airlines, like private forums are private companies. There are, Im sure private airlines that do allow firearms onboard. I have personally been on a jet aircraft in the last 10 years with a firearm. Private plane, private rules.

I do however agree the .gov should not do the screening, BUT they tried letting the lowest bidder do it, and it was a miserable failure!
Link Posted: 10/20/2003 10:25:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By shadows:
Aint that the truth!




Yes, quite tiresome that.

Shadows, what's up with your shadows.com email? I got a bounce from it re. the future CDT.
Link Posted: 10/23/2003 2:46:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/23/2003 2:48:41 PM EDT by DonGalt]
Airlines are private businesses. Let them handle security. Its the only rational path--- remember they have hundreds of millions of dollars sunk into those planes, so if one goes down, they loose that, and another half billion in lawsuits.

The TSA is a government entity-- so when they search people without cause they are violating the constitution.

IF a private airline chose to do it as terms of their busienss, it would not be a violation of the constitution--- and it might actually provide improved security!

Before the TSA "took over" the airline security it was still government done.

The idea that "we tried that" with the airlines having security is false--- its one of the excuses the incompetant government gives for what happened on 9/11 but it is BS, because the airline security was already a federal mandate and the FCC is the agency that created the lowest rung employee last ditch job harassing people industry. With the TSA they just gave it a name created new overhead, and have the same people and the same quality of people and the same lax security as before.

The TSA is a joke-- but more importantly they violate the constitution with impunity, and to see people put up with this is amazing. We have become like the germans who did nothing while the nazis took power...

Let airlines handle it and they will do a good job and provide good security-- and if they don't, they will go under.

The free market always gets the job done. The government never does.
Link Posted: 10/23/2003 3:02:30 PM EDT

I have been catching up on WA-CCW. What workman said is definately sue-worthy. Someone says something like that about me in a credible context, and I'd threaten them with a lawsuit.

Since what workman did is to lie about what Angel said,. then Angel letting "his words speak for him" is kinda silly-- it is a lie about his words that is at issue.
Link Posted: 10/23/2003 3:07:44 PM EDT


I'm shocked to discover that Joe Waldon oppposes the right to keep and bear arms.

WTF? How can gun owners tolerate such opposition?

Getting the supreme court to rule on a clear cut 2A case is the best way to eliminate all these laws that have been piled up on us-- its what the Supreme Court is for in the first place.

We're never going to get it via contressional action. They only make laws, they never repeal them.

And, in the worst case scenario, if the supreme court rules against us, that is good-- cause it might actually wake people up.

One way or another Sliveira is the best thing going. And Waldron opposes it.

A shame, really.
Link Posted: 10/23/2003 3:19:05 PM EDT

Continuing to read this thread...

I'm amazed what pieces of shit Workman, March and Waldron are turning out to be.

They don't like the choice of a case that will actually address the second ammendment (smell like sellouts to you too?) and so they attack Angel PERSONALLY.

They apparently have nothing in the way of logical or rational arguments... just personal attacks.

This has greatly discredited Workman, the SAF, and Jim March to my mind.

I can understand disagreeing about strategy... and I expect the pro-NRA, people to never be purely in support of the RKBA... slow removal of the rights-- so long as hunting rifles are never threatened-- seems to be their way.

But I considered Workman and Waldron to be important figures in Washington State's RKBA movement. Now I see they are men without character?

Sorry, but like Clinton, it doesn't matter if you've done good things or not, you show you are a person without integrity, and I will not be sending your organization money.
Link Posted: 10/23/2003 3:21:51 PM EDT
"I was at the GRPC in question and I was sitting about 10 feet away from
the mic when Angel asked his question. In my recollection he asked,
when is it acceptable to resist an unlawful arrest with force, or
something very close to that.
I respect Joe and Dave, but I think they are dead wrong on this
one. While I am not an unquestioning supporter of Angel I can understand
why he is upset over the accusation."

In other words, Waldron and Workman flat out lied. And Jim March just said nasty things that implied falsehoods.

Link Posted: 10/23/2003 4:47:49 PM EDT
This sucks!
We are only getting a one way view of the conversation.

Mike Brown is a fucking pussy!
Link Posted: 10/23/2003 9:31:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By KA3B:
Mike Brown is a fucking pussy!



That we agree 110% on.

I also, do not want SCOTUS ruling on the 2nd. they will fuck us long time. A fucking we will never recover from.

Remmeber, they dont have to use the legal standard, they have to ponder their interpretation of the law. Big difference.

Also, I am drunk! Ok, not drunk but I have had a few!

BTW..FYMB!
Link Posted: 10/24/2003 8:38:15 AM EDT
Vet- (Can I call you Vet?)

I disagree. IF the Supremes rule against the second ammendment, it will wake people up.

What would you rather-- the rest of your life spent increasingly being portrayed on TV as a terorrist, or would you rather thave this country shake off fabian socialism and get back to its roots?

I understand the risk-- it seems the Supremes have started completely ignoring the constitution in recent years... the 2000 presidential selection (independant of whether you like bush or not, read that ruling- its pathetic) etc.

But what we have now is no ruling by the supremes, allowing the lawmakers to go crazy with the gun grabbing.

If they rule against us, that may inspire people to act. Nothing is going to happen until more people take this issue seriously. IF the supremes rule for us, they provide legal protection for awhile. If they don't, then people will take the issue seriously.
Link Posted: 10/24/2003 8:41:55 AM EDT

I'll catch you up on what happened on WA-CCW:

Apparently offlist Joe and Dave apologized ot Angel. Or maybe they didn't. Angel made peace and left.

I posted that I Joe Waldron had lost my financial support and lost my vote in the next WAC election.

He took this as a "Threat" and flamed me for being anonymous. Funny that... it sounded like he was really pissed that he couldnt' fuck with my WAC membership cause he didn't have my name.

And, of course, I got kicked off the list for disagreeing with Joe Waldron.

I say again-- why is it so many of our "leaders" do not support the RIGHT to keep and bear arms?

Why can Joe Waldron not defend himself, and not be respectible?

When he said that Angel advocated the wholesale killing of cops, he should have gotten booted off of that list. That is unaccpetable. But merely disagreeing with someone... that should be allowed, but is punished.

Why is it there are so many assholes in the gun culture? What causes that? Why can't people agree to disagree or be polite to each other when disagreeing?
Link Posted: 10/24/2003 6:04:08 PM EDT
Hey Cav Vet,
It sounds like we have the same history. If your screen name relates to the 60's. I think his opinion was valid, I think he demeans himself with his choice of language. Don't give me any crap about free speech, I spent 28 yrs and two Nam tours defending our principles of free speech and our way of life. The shock value of word like "Fuck" ended in junior high. If you have a cause and and an agenda pick a venue that will net results and act like a professional or at least a reasonable individual. All gutter language does is discredit yourself and your opinion.
Link Posted: 10/24/2003 6:15:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PleikuPioneer:
Hey Cav Vet,
It sounds like we have the same history. If your screen name relates to the 60's. I think his opinion was valid, I think he demeans himself with his choice of language. Don't give me any crap about free speech, I spent 28 yrs and two Nam tours defending our principles of free speech and our way of life. The shock value of word like "Fuck" ended in junior high. If you have a cause and and an agenda pick a venue that will net results and act like a professional or at least a reasonable individual. All gutter language does is discredit yourself and your opinion.



uh, ok. I will admit it, you lost me.

Link Posted: 10/24/2003 11:54:06 PM EDT
You equate free speach with crap?
Hmmm.....




Originally Posted By PleikuPioneer:
Hey Cav Vet,
It sounds like we have the same history. If your screen name relates to the 60's. I think his opinion was valid, I think he demeans himself with his choice of language. Don't give me any crap about free speech, I spent 28 yrs and two Nam tours defending our principles of free speech and our way of life. The shock value of word like "Fuck" ended in junior high. If you have a cause and and an agenda pick a venue that will net results and act like a professional or at least a reasonable individual. All gutter language does is discredit yourself and your opinion.

Link Posted: 10/25/2003 7:12:42 AM EDT
PleikuPioneer

My combat time in Pleiku tells me that you can stop telling other people how to act and what to say as soon as you get it into your thick head that nobody asked you for your opinion. You may have the right to free speech but that isn't going to get anybody to listen to you. Your "holier than thou" attitude is as immature as anything I have seen here.
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