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Posted: 11/29/2007 10:47:54 AM EDT
Since Packing.org has been down for months, and most of the "Washington State Legal References & Links" do not work, I'm wondering what the CCW laws are in WA/Seattle.

I have a Utah CCW (which is good in WA); am I allowed to carry in a stadium or concert hall?

What about in a bar?

If anyone has a link to the CCW laws, I would greatly appreciate it.
Link Posted: 11/29/2007 10:50:53 AM EDT
Im not sure about the stadium or the concert hall, but your not allowed to carry in a bar sorry. Im thinking its going to be the same for the stadium and concert hall too
Link Posted: 11/29/2007 10:52:42 AM EDT

Originally Posted By FooDog:
Since Packing.org has been down for months, and most of the "Washington State Legal References & Links" do not work, I'm wondering what the CCW laws are in WA/Seattle.

I have a Utah CCW (which is good in WA); am I allowed to carry in a stadium or concert hall?

What about in a bar?

If anyone has a link to the CCW laws, I would greatly appreciate it.


No bar, the major statiums in seattle No, I dont know about concert halls....


Im sure Phil will be around soon...
Link Posted: 11/29/2007 10:53:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/29/2007 11:00:04 AM EDT by CrownAndSeven]

Originally Posted By Irish_11:
Im not sure about the stadium or the concert hall, but your not allowed to carry in a bar sorry. Im thinking its going to be the same for the stadium and concert hall too


I think you can carry at the stadium or concert hall. If you are caught, they might evict you from the property... The only three places I'm aware you are not allowed to carry with a CCW permit are Bars, Schools, and Court houses.

I'm sure Phil will be along with the RCW's...
Link Posted: 11/29/2007 11:22:47 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/29/2007 11:58:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/29/2007 12:04:33 PM EDT by FooDog]

Originally Posted By Phil_in_Seattle:
Gun Related RCWs as compliled my PCR-00

Bar=as defined in 1(d)No



RCW 9.41.300
Weapons prohibited in certain places -- Local laws and ordinances -- Exceptions -- Penalty.

(1) It is unlawful for any person to enter the following places when he or she knowingly possesses or knowingly has under his or her control a weapon:

(a) The restricted access areas of a jail, or of a law enforcement facility, or any place used for the confinement of a person (i) arrested for, charged with, or convicted of an offense, (ii) held for extradition or as a material witness, or (iii) otherwise confined pursuant to an order of a court, except an order under chapter 13.32A or 13.34 RCW. Restricted access areas do not include common areas of egress or ingress open to the general public;

(b) Those areas in any building which are used in connection with court proceedings, including courtrooms, jury rooms, judge's chambers, offices and areas used to conduct court business, waiting areas, and corridors adjacent to areas used in connection with court proceedings. The restricted areas do not include common areas of ingress and egress to the building that is used in connection with court proceedings, when it is possible to protect court areas without restricting ingress and egress to the building. The restricted areas shall be the minimum necessary to fulfill the objective of this subsection (1)(b).

In addition, the local legislative authority shall provide either a stationary locked box sufficient in size for pistols and key to a weapon owner for weapon storage, or shall designate an official to receive weapons for safekeeping, during the owner's visit to restricted areas of the building. The locked box or designated official shall be located within the same building used in connection with court proceedings. The local legislative authority shall be liable for any negligence causing damage to or loss of a weapon either placed in a locked box or left with an official during the owner's visit to restricted areas of the building.

The local judicial authority shall designate and clearly mark those areas where weapons are prohibited, and shall post notices at each entrance to the building of the prohibition against weapons in the restricted areas;

(c) The restricted access areas of a public mental health facility certified by the department of social and health services for inpatient hospital care and state institutions for the care of the mentally ill, excluding those facilities solely for evaluation and treatment. Restricted access areas do not include common areas of egress and ingress open to the general public;

(d) That portion of an establishment classified by the state liquor control board as off-limits to persons under twenty-one years of age; or

(e) The restricted access areas of a commercial service airport designated in the airport security plan approved by the federal transportation security administration, including passenger screening checkpoints at or beyond the point at which a passenger initiates the screening process. These areas do not include airport drives, general parking areas and walkways, and shops and areas of the terminal that are outside the screening checkpoints and that are normally open to unscreened passengers or visitors to the airport. Any restricted access area shall be clearly indicated by prominent signs indicating that firearms and other weapons are prohibited in the area.

(2) Cities, towns, counties, and other municipalities may enact laws and ordinances:

(a) Restricting the discharge of firearms in any portion of their respective jurisdictions where there is a reasonable likelihood that humans, domestic animals, or property will be jeopardized. Such laws and ordinances shall not abridge the right of the individual guaranteed by Article I, section 24 of the state Constitution to bear arms in defense of self or others; and

(b) Restricting the possession of firearms in any stadium or convention center, operated by a city, town, county, or other municipality, except that such restrictions shall not apply to:

(i) Any pistol in the possession of a person licensed under RCW 9.41.070 or exempt from the licensing requirement by RCW 9.41.060; or

(ii) Any showing, demonstration, or lecture involving the exhibition of firearms.

(3)(a) Cities, towns, and counties may enact ordinances restricting the areas in their respective jurisdictions in which firearms may be sold, but, except as provided in (b) of this subsection, a business selling firearms may not be treated more restrictively than other businesses located within the same zone. An ordinance requiring the cessation of business within a zone shall not have a shorter grandfather period for businesses selling firearms than for any other businesses within the zone.

(b) Cities, towns, and counties may restrict the location of a business selling firearms to not less than five hundred feet from primary or secondary school grounds, if the business has a storefront, has hours during which it is open for business, and posts advertisements or signs observable to passersby that firearms are available for sale. A business selling firearms that exists as of the date a restriction is enacted under this subsection (3)(b) shall be grandfathered according to existing law.

(4) Violations of local ordinances adopted under subsection (2) of this section must have the same penalty as provided for by state law.

(5) The perimeter of the premises of any specific location covered by subsection (1) of this section shall be posted at reasonable intervals to alert the public as to the existence of any law restricting the possession of firearms on the premises.

(6) Subsection (1) of this section does not apply to:

(a) A person engaged in military activities sponsored by the federal or state governments, while engaged in official duties;

(b) Law enforcement personnel, except that subsection (1)(b) of this section does apply to a law enforcement officer who is present at a courthouse building as a party to an action under chapter 10.14, 10.99, or 26.50 RCW, or an action under Title 26 RCW where any party has alleged the existence of domestic violence as defined in RCW 26.50.010; or

(c) Security personnel while engaged in official duties.

(7) Subsection (1)(a) of this section does not apply to a person licensed pursuant to RCW 9.41.070 who, upon entering the place or facility, directly and promptly proceeds to the administrator of the facility or the administrator's designee and obtains written permission to possess the firearm while on the premises or checks his or her firearm. The person may reclaim the firearms upon leaving but must immediately and directly depart from the place or facility.

(8) Subsection (1)(c) of this section does not apply to any administrator or employee of the facility or to any person who, upon entering the place or facility, directly and promptly proceeds to the administrator of the facility or the administrator's designee and obtains written permission to possess the firearm while on the premises.

(9) Subsection (1)(d) of this section does not apply to the proprietor of the premises or his or her employees while engaged in their employment.

(10) Any person violating subsection (1) of this section is guilty of a gross misdemeanor.

(11) "Weapon" as used in this section means any firearm, explosive as defined in RCW 70.74.010, or instrument or weapon listed in RCW 9.41.250.


Stadiums vary, depending on ownership and lease agreements. Private property owners (even thouse through rent/leasing arrangements) can prohibit firearms but a Local laws or ordinances cannot unless specified under state law.


Husky Stadium=No

Qwest Field (Seahawks)=No

Safeco Field (Mariners)=No

Key Arena=Yes unless it's a school event i.e. graduations

Benaroya Hall=maybe as I haven't looked closely at it but it is owned by the City of Seattle.


Cool... thanks. Going to see Van Halen in concert on Monday.

EDIT: I didn't see where schools are prohibited (even though I know they are).

Link Posted: 11/29/2007 12:10:13 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/29/2007 12:13:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/29/2007 12:13:36 PM EDT by Phil_in_Seattle]
Link Posted: 11/29/2007 12:13:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FooDog:

Cool... thanks. Going to see Van Halen in concert on Monday.




I seriously doubt they will let you into VH with any heat. They pat you down pretty good and don't even let knives in. My bet is on the back of your ticket it will say something about no weapons or something. The stadium may not prohibit it but the concert promoter can.
Link Posted: 11/29/2007 12:56:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Phil_in_Seattle:
Key Arena you may have to explain about the Utah CCW/CPL/CHL

WA Attorney General Link



Concealed Weapon Reciprocity

Washington concealed pistol licenses will be recognized in the following states, and concealed weapons licenses issued in the listed states will be recognized in Washington State, so long as the handgun is carried in accordance with Washington law.

North Carolina
Mississippi
Ohio
OklahomaLouisiana
Utah
Michigan

NOTE: Handguns must be carried in accordance with the law of the state you are visiting. Be sure to check the laws of the other state before traveling there with your handgun.




www.bci.utah.gov/CFP/CFPFAQ/FAQOther.html

Per Utah, Washington and Utah have reciprocity agreement.
Link Posted: 11/29/2007 1:03:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/29/2007 1:04:53 PM EDT by Phil_in_Seattle]
Link Posted: 11/29/2007 1:21:37 PM EDT
Back of the ticket says:

"Under certain facility rules, certain items may not be brought into the premises, including w/o limitation, alcohol, drugs, controlled substances, cameras, recording devices, bundles and containers."

No where does it say weapons or firearms.

So can I CCW in Key Arena or is prohibited?

Link Posted: 11/29/2007 1:30:28 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/29/2007 1:45:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Phil_in_Seattle:
Legally you are fine but as always be prepared to educate the unknowing.


Thanks Phil.

2whiskeyP, do they pat you down when entering Key Arena or do they simply search bags/purses?


Link Posted: 11/29/2007 3:06:18 PM EDT
Foo Dog as in VRC-50?
Link Posted: 11/29/2007 3:21:34 PM EDT
I've carried in a few of the concert halls in Seattle (5th ave and Paramount)
Link Posted: 11/29/2007 4:46:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PCR-00:
I've carried in a few of the concert halls in Seattle (5th ave and Paramount)


I was wondering about if I should worry tomorrow, but I guess this answers my question.
Link Posted: 11/29/2007 6:00:21 PM EDT
You'll probably get wanded at the Van Halen concert.
Link Posted: 11/29/2007 6:27:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By sixgunsblazing:
You'll probably get wanded at the Van Halen concert.


My bet is that the weapon does not make it into the concert.
Link Posted: 11/29/2007 6:59:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By R-32:
My bet is that the weapon does not make it into the concert.


I'm with the asshole on this one.
Link Posted: 11/30/2007 1:05:18 AM EDT
Does a rock concert=a music festival?
ISTR it does not, but...
(Carry banned at music festivals per RCW.)
Link Posted: 11/30/2007 5:49:11 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DW_Drang:
Does a rock concert=a music festival?
ISTR it does not, but...
(Carry banned at music festivals per RCW.)


In a thread full of links and text, you out of nowhere drop this little jewel?
Link Posted: 11/30/2007 7:48:20 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/30/2007 2:37:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By KA3B:
Foo Dog as in VRC-50?


No.... I wish.
Link Posted: 12/1/2007 1:20:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 1GUNRUNNER:

Originally Posted By DW_Drang:
Does a rock concert=a music festival?
ISTR it does not, but...
(Carry banned at music festivals per RCW.)


In a thread full of links and text, you out of nowhere drop this little jewel?
Link Posted: 12/2/2007 11:01:16 PM EDT
Last night, the wife and I went to the Trans-Siberian Orchestra concert at Key Arena.
Unless you CCW in a purse or some other bag, you're good to go.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 4:35:41 AM EDT
So, GMHips, would this be how a person owns page 2?
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