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Posted: 9/16/2015 5:45:33 AM EDT
[#1]
I applaud their willingness to back the ct people and provide us with cool toys,but I think they are pushing the limit. That may be all fine and dandy on paper but the second someone gets caught with it , it's going to be a legal nightmare to clean up.
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Posted: 9/16/2015 5:56:07 AM EDT
[#2]
This is good news. I doubt there is much to worry about here. They have it in writing .....prolly.
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Posted: 9/16/2015 6:15:08 AM EDT
[#3]
If one were to purchase one of these and have legal possession of the lower, would it be legal to reconfigure the firearm as a 'standard' AR? Pistol > Rifle is OK, how about AOW > Rifle?
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Posted: 9/16/2015 6:31:44 AM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If one were to purchase one of these and have legal possession of the lower, would it be legal to reconfigure the firearm as a 'standard' AR? Pistol > Rifle is OK, how about AOW > Rifle? |
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Posted: 9/16/2015 6:52:22 AM EDT
[#5]
What about just refitting an existing AR with THAT non-existant "buttstock". Seems to me that's all that is. Is that a typical AR lower??
Rome |
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Posted: 9/16/2015 7:16:26 AM EDT
[#6]
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What about just refitting an existing AR with THAT non-existant "buttstock". Seems to me that's all that is. Is that a typical AR lower?? Rome It doesn't say it uses a standard AR lower. Uppers and mags yes. Maybe they made that buffer tube permanent. Otherwise, we should be able to buy stripped lowers and build into this configuration in any caliber too. |
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Posted: 9/16/2015 7:18:27 AM EDT
[#7]
It's about time, we've been claiming on here that the Aids Cannon was legal for years, well before the new ban.
"Once a rifle, always a rifle" If it is our has ever been a rifle then it would violate the CT AWB. |
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Posted: 9/16/2015 7:24:48 AM EDT
[#8]
This gun might even be one that you could have loaded and accessible while driving (10 round mag) if you read the law closely.
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Posted: 9/16/2015 7:27:16 AM EDT
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It doesn't say it uses a standard AR lower. Uppers and mags yes. Maybe they made that buffer tube permanent. Otherwise, we should be able to buy stripped lowers and build into this configuration in any caliber too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What about just refitting an existing AR with THAT non-existant "buttstock". Seems to me that's all that is. Is that a typical AR lower?? Rome It doesn't say it uses a standard AR lower. Uppers and mags yes. Maybe they made that buffer tube permanent. Otherwise, we should be able to buy stripped lowers and build into this configuration in any caliber too. Indeed. I believe you are correct! |
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Posted: 9/16/2015 7:31:26 AM EDT
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While I applaud the effort to configure a rifle to be CT compliant, I think there are a couple things worth noting, and please correct me if I am wrong.
Sec. 53a-3, (19), defines a "firearm" : means any sawed-off shotgun, machine gun, rifle, shotgun, pistol, revolver or other weapon, whether loaded or unloaded from which a shot may be discharged; 53-202b, (1), defines an "assault weapon" : A) (i) Any selective-fire firearm capable of fully automatic, semiautomatic or burst fire at the option of the user or any of the following specified semiautomatic firearms: If a firearm mean "other weapon", and an assault weapon is a "firearm", under CT law, how can what the Freedom Shoppe is offering be legal? Let alone all the other criteria, fingers under the action, flash hider, forward pistol grip, etc. |
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Posted: 9/16/2015 7:41:37 AM EDT
[#11]
Can someone post pics? I don't have a facebook. Didn't we just have a conversation about this type of firearm the other day?
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Posted: 9/16/2015 7:59:37 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/16/2015 8:00:26 AM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
While I applaud the effort to configure a rifle to be CT compliant, I think there are a couple things worth noting, and please correct me if I am wrong. Sec. 53a-3, (19), defines a "firearm" : 53-202b, (1), defines an "assault weapon" : If a firearm mean "other weapon", and an assault weapon is a "firearm", under CT law, how can what the Freedom Shoppe is offering be legal? Let alone all the other criteria, fingers under the action, flash hider, forward pistol grip, etc. Quote HistoryQuoted:
While I applaud the effort to configure a rifle to be CT compliant, I think there are a couple things worth noting, and please correct me if I am wrong. Sec. 53a-3, (19), defines a "firearm" : means any sawed-off shotgun, machine gun, rifle, shotgun, pistol, revolver or other weapon, whether loaded or unloaded from which a shot may be discharged; 53-202b, (1), defines an "assault weapon" : A) (i) Any selective-fire firearm capable of fully automatic, semiautomatic or burst fire at the option of the user or any of the following specified semiautomatic firearms: If a firearm mean "other weapon", and an assault weapon is a "firearm", under CT law, how can what the Freedom Shoppe is offering be legal? Let alone all the other criteria, fingers under the action, flash hider, forward pistol grip, etc. Section A that you quoted states " selective fire " which is for machine guns that can also fire in semi-auto. |
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Posted: 9/16/2015 8:08:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
While I applaud the effort to configure a rifle to be CT compliant, I think there are a couple things worth noting, and please correct me if I am wrong. Sec. 53a-3, (19), defines a "firearm" : 53-202b, (1), defines an "assault weapon" : If a firearm mean "other weapon", and an assault weapon is a "firearm", under CT law, how can what the Freedom Shoppe is offering be legal? Let alone all the other criteria, fingers under the action, flash hider, forward pistol grip, etc. Quote HistoryQuoted:
While I applaud the effort to configure a rifle to be CT compliant, I think there are a couple things worth noting, and please correct me if I am wrong. Sec. 53a-3, (19), defines a "firearm" : means any sawed-off shotgun, machine gun, rifle, shotgun, pistol, revolver or other weapon, whether loaded or unloaded from which a shot may be discharged; 53-202b, (1), defines an "assault weapon" : A) (i) Any selective-fire firearm capable of fully automatic, semiautomatic or burst fire at the option of the user or any of the following specified semiautomatic firearms: If a firearm mean "other weapon", and an assault weapon is a "firearm", under CT law, how can what the Freedom Shoppe is offering be legal? Let alone all the other criteria, fingers under the action, flash hider, forward pistol grip, etc. Assault weapon is: 1) a select fire firearm 2) any of the semiautomatic firearms in the banned-by-name list 3) a rifle, pistol, or shotgun with features in the feature list An AIDS cannon that isn't select-fire and isn't banned by name isn't an assault weapon. |
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Posted: 9/16/2015 8:14:07 AM EDT
[#15]
He said it was two years in the making getting all the atf letters on the Facebook page
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Posted: 9/16/2015 8:18:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
While I applaud the effort to configure a rifle to be CT compliant, I think there are a couple things worth noting, and please correct me if I am wrong. Sec. 53a-3, (19), defines a "firearm" : 53-202b, (1), defines an "assault weapon" : If a firearm mean "other weapon", and an assault weapon is a "firearm", under CT law, how can what the Freedom Shoppe is offering be legal? Let alone all the other criteria, fingers under the action, flash hider, forward pistol grip, etc. Quote HistoryQuoted:
While I applaud the effort to configure a rifle to be CT compliant, I think there are a couple things worth noting, and please correct me if I am wrong. Sec. 53a-3, (19), defines a "firearm" : means any sawed-off shotgun, machine gun, rifle, shotgun, pistol, revolver or other weapon, whether loaded or unloaded from which a shot may be discharged; 53-202b, (1), defines an "assault weapon" : A) (i) Any selective-fire firearm capable of fully automatic, semiautomatic or burst fire at the option of the user or any of the following specified semiautomatic firearms: If a firearm mean "other weapon", and an assault weapon is a "firearm", under CT law, how can what the Freedom Shoppe is offering be legal? Let alone all the other criteria, fingers under the action, flash hider, forward pistol grip, etc. Is that firearm "selective fire"? Nope. Its a semiautomatic firearm. As such it is not affected by the language of Sec. 53-202a(1)(A), the old banned by name list. Is it a "semiautomatic centerfire rifle"? Nope, it is not a rifle. As such it is not affected by the language of Sec. 53-202a(1)(B). Is it a "semiautomatic pistol"? Nope, it is not a pistol. As such it is not affected by the language of Sec. 53-202a(1)(C). Because it is not a semiautomatic detachable magazine centerfire rifle, nor a semiautomatic pistol, nor a semiautomatic shotgun it is not subject to the feature bans nor the under 30 inch over all length restriction. https://www.cga.ct.gov/current/pub/chap_950.htm#sec_53a-3 (16) “Rifle” means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed metallic cartridge to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger; .... (18) “Pistol” or “revolver” means any firearm having a barrel less than twelve inches; |
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Posted: 9/16/2015 8:22:08 AM EDT
[#17]
He called it a fm14 receiver, so maybe there is a mod in the buffer area.
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Posted: 9/16/2015 8:25:09 AM EDT
[#18]
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It doesn't say it uses a standard AR lower. Uppers and mags yes. Maybe they made that buffer tube permanent. Otherwise, we should be able to buy stripped lowers and build into this configuration in any caliber too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What about just refitting an existing AR with THAT non-existant "buttstock". Seems to me that's all that is. Is that a typical AR lower?? Rome It doesn't say it uses a standard AR lower. Uppers and mags yes. Maybe they made that buffer tube permanent. Otherwise, we should be able to buy stripped lowers and build into this configuration in any caliber too. This. So I can go get a few Noveske striped lowers now right. |
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Posted: 9/16/2015 8:27:50 AM EDT
[#19]
I humbly stand corrected.
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Posted: 9/16/2015 8:41:35 AM EDT
[#20]
So then the question begs, can you use any other upper on that modified lower or is this all a proprietary shooter?
I'm only curious from a technical aspect. Seems to me that ever time someone tries to circumvent the regs the result is a pretty ugly shooter. I think that, for $700+, you'd have to be pretty desperate to want to shoot a neutered AR but I give them credit where it's due. I'll also add that every time this type of discussion comes up, it makes me mad all over again that we're precluded from buying reasonably priced rifles based on the AR rifle. Even in California you can still own them. I would gladly accept the 10 round mag limit if we could continue to build and buy receivers and uppers like before. It's so claustrophobic in this state. I was recently offered a .308 receiver all ready to go and had to say no thank you. What a mess. Rome |
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Posted: 9/16/2015 8:42:36 AM EDT
[#21]
i wonder how long before other shops offer this?
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Posted: 9/16/2015 8:46:21 AM EDT
[#22]
His description says regular uppers. I'll bet the did something to the buffer area as a CYA
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Posted: 9/16/2015 9:14:50 AM EDT
[#23]
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..... FM-14 - CT Legal AR-15 Derivative Available NOW in: .223 / 5.56x45, 300AAC, 5.45x39, 7.62x39. Semi-automatic. Detachable magazine. Takes regular AR mags, AR accessories, AR uppers. From $750! CT Legal! .... A Fuck Malloy - 14, eh? Bravo! Freedom Shoppe deserves a medal! |
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Posted: 9/16/2015 9:21:13 AM EDT
[#24]
In the comments on his FB page, it was asked if 9mm or 308 would be available.....he said yes. Too bad you couldn't SBR it, that would make it into an AW, correct?
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Posted: 9/16/2015 9:22:31 AM EDT
[#25]
Throw a Sig Brace on it and watch heads explode
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Posted: 9/16/2015 9:24:02 AM EDT
[#26]
This must be extremely new because I just did a Google search and came up with zip.
Rome |
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Posted: 9/16/2015 9:24:27 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A Fuck Malloy - 14, eh? Bravo! Freedom Shoppe deserves a medal! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: ..... FM-14 - CT Legal AR-15 Derivative Available NOW in: .223 / 5.56x45, 300AAC, 5.45x39, 7.62x39. Semi-automatic. Detachable magazine. Takes regular AR mags, AR accessories, AR uppers. From $750! CT Legal! .... A Fuck Malloy - 14, eh? Bravo! Freedom Shoppe deserves a medal! |
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Posted: 9/16/2015 9:48:19 AM EDT
[#29]
Never mind.
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Posted: 9/16/2015 9:55:54 AM EDT
[#30]
the question to be asked , is the state actually transferring these?
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Posted: 9/16/2015 10:01:05 AM EDT
[#31]
Looks like he gave the state a chance to challenge,from Facebook thread: |
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Posted: 9/16/2015 10:02:43 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/16/2015 10:13:16 AM EDT
[#33]
How long is the barrel? May be a stupid question, but since it is not a rifle can you have a 12.5" barrel on it without a form1?
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Posted: 9/16/2015 10:17:52 AM EDT
[#34]
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How long is the barrel? May be a stupid question, but since it is not a rifle can you have a 12.5" barrel on it without a form1? Think it still needs to be over 30"(?) or is that 26"(?), so it doesn't magically become an AW for OAL. Stupid shit law |
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Posted: 9/16/2015 10:21:58 AM EDT
[#35]
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Think it still needs to be over 30"(?) or is that 26"(?), so it doesn't magically become an AW for OAL. Stupid shit law Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How long is the barrel? May be a stupid question, but since it is not a rifle can you have a 12.5" barrel on it without a form1? Think it still needs to be over 30"(?) or is that 26"(?), so it doesn't magically become an AW for OAL. Stupid shit law Forgot about that, federal is 26" OAL and CT is 30" OAL, IIRC. |
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Posted: 9/16/2015 10:28:27 AM EDT
[#36]
Since its not an ass weapon it only needs to be 26
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Posted: 9/16/2015 10:48:33 AM EDT
[#37]
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Since its not an ass weapon it only needs to be 26 I thought if it was a rifle under 30" OAL that makes it an AW |
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Posted: 9/16/2015 10:53:27 AM EDT
[#38]
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I thought if it was a rifle under 30" OAL that makes it an AW Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Since its not an ass weapon it only needs to be 26 I thought if it was a rifle under 30" OAL that makes it an AW As explained one page back, the 30 inch over all length limit in the CT AWB doesn't applied because its NOT a rifle. The CT AWB 30 inch over all length limit only applies to "semiautomatic, centerfire rifle". |
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Posted: 9/16/2015 10:56:21 AM EDT
[#39]
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As explained one page back, the 30 inch over all length limit in the CT AWB doesn't applied because its NOT a rifle. The CT AWB 30 inch over all length limit only applies to "semiautomatic, centerfire rifle". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Since its not an ass weapon it only needs to be 26 I thought if it was a rifle under 30" OAL that makes it an AW As explained one page back, the 30 inch over all length limit in the CT AWB doesn't applied because its NOT a rifle. The CT AWB 30 inch over all length limit only applies to "semiautomatic, centerfire rifle". I answered my own question and didn't even realize it
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Posted: 9/16/2015 12:18:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This gun might even be one that you could have loaded and accessible while driving (10 round mag) if you read the law closely. I'm getting that vibe too. So great application as a trunk/car gun. Is there a maximum barrel length? This could be a great way to build a modern .308. Issue is finding a Sig brace type device that works well with shooting. 308/distance. There is the brace that look like a tube with a high cheek weld. Maby we can get a manufacturer to come up with one with a folding monopod. To stabilize against big muscular forearms  . |
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Posted: 9/16/2015 12:20:01 PM EDT
[#41]
my feeling is that this will get squashed sooner rather then later .
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Posted: 9/16/2015 12:28:56 PM EDT
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I'm getting that vibe too. So great application as a trunk/car gun. Is there a maximum barrel length? This could be a great way to build a modern .308. Issue is finding a Sig brace type device that works well with shooting. 308/distance. There is the brace that look like a tube with a high cheek weld. Maby we can get a manufacturer to come up with one with a folding monopod. To stabilize against big muscular forearms .
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This gun might even be one that you could have loaded and accessible while driving (10 round mag) if you read the law closely. I'm getting that vibe too. So great application as a trunk/car gun. Is there a maximum barrel length? This could be a great way to build a modern .308. Issue is finding a Sig brace type device that works well with shooting. 308/distance. There is the brace that look like a tube with a high cheek weld. Maby we can get a manufacturer to come up with one with a folding monopod. To stabilize against big muscular forearms .
A .308 with a 12.5" barrel and a Sig brace sounds like a blast to shoot. |
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Posted: 9/16/2015 12:29:39 PM EDT
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A .308 with a 12.5" barrel and a Sig brace sounds like a blast to shoot. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This gun might even be one that you could have loaded and accessible while driving (10 round mag) if you read the law closely. I'm getting that vibe too. So great application as a trunk/car gun. Is there a maximum barrel length? This could be a great way to build a modern .308. Issue is finding a Sig brace type device that works well with shooting. 308/distance. There is the brace that look like a tube with a high cheek weld. Maby we can get a manufacturer to come up with one with a folding monopod. To stabilize against big muscular forearms .
A .308 with a 12.5" barrel and a Sig brace sounds like a blast to shoot. Almost as much of a "blast" as your 12ga (or was that a 16? I can't remember) pistol? 
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Posted: 9/16/2015 12:30:50 PM EDT
[#44]
My 12 inch ar10 makes a nice fire ball. I'm not sure if II would want to shoot it with a SIG brace
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Posted: 9/16/2015 12:34:33 PM EDT
[#45]
The forward grip must stay attached to the gun to keep its classification?
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Posted: 9/16/2015 12:58:08 PM EDT
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The forward grip must stay attached to the gun to keep its classification? The forward grip is an extra feature that doesn't need to be there to not be a rifle, not be a pistol. |
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Posted: 9/16/2015 1:03:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The forward grip is an extra feature that doesn't need to be there to not be a rifle, not be a pistol. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The forward grip must stay attached to the gun to keep its classification? The forward grip is an extra feature that doesn't need to be there to not be a rifle, not be a pistol. Good cuz its gross. |
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Posted: 9/16/2015 1:28:05 PM EDT
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The forward grip must stay attached to the gun to keep its classification? The forward grip is an extra feature that doesn't need to be there to not be a rifle, not be a pistol. Good cuz its gross. The big foam covered dildo hanging off the back end is totally cool though. |
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Posted: 9/16/2015 1:47:56 PM EDT
[#49]
Dildo? Did someone say "dildo"? Is this thread going toward the light?
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Posted: 9/16/2015 1:55:15 PM EDT
[#50]
If he makes the 9mm that takes Glock mags I would buy one
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