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Link Posted: 3/27/2014 2:11:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: full-mann] [#1]
Looks like the wife will be getting her way, and a move to MI is now on the radar.

This was the only real roadblock that I had.
Link Posted: 3/27/2014 2:36:53 PM EDT
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So i can now have a truck gun then? if i have to also register it with MSP as a pistol, does that mean i can keep it in my car as a truck gun?
Link Posted: 3/27/2014 2:55:06 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By SlopShot:
So i can now have a truck gun then? if i have to also register it with MSP as a pistol, does that mean i can keep it in my car as a truck gun?
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It is only registered as a pistol if the OAL is less than 26". If you have an approved SBR that is less than 26" OAL and you registered it as a pistol, then yes you can carry it as a truck gun.
Link Posted: 3/27/2014 3:05:45 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By rjbergen:

It is only registered as a pistol if the OAL is less than 26". If you have an approved SBR that is less than 26" OAL and you registered it as a pistol, then yes you can carry it as a truck gun.
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Originally Posted By rjbergen:
Originally Posted By SlopShot:
So i can now have a truck gun then? if i have to also register it with MSP as a pistol, does that mean i can keep it in my car as a truck gun?

It is only registered as a pistol if the OAL is less than 26". If you have an approved SBR that is less than 26" OAL and you registered it as a pistol, then yes you can carry it as a truck gun.

Well i guess i have to make sure it under 26" then!
Link Posted: 3/27/2014 3:21:09 PM EDT
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WOW!!!! HE SIGNED IT!!! GREAT JOB EVERYONE THAT HAD A HAND IN THIS!!!!
Just received:
Thank you for contacting Governor Rick Snyder’s Office regarding SB 610. This legislation, sponsored by state Sen. Mike Green, allows for the manufacture, possession or transfer of short-barreled shotguns or rifles in compliance with federal law. An owner must also keep the federal registration for the firearm and present the registration to law enforcement when requested during transport. Governor Snyder has signed this legislation and it is now Public Act 63 of 2014.

We appreciate you taking the time to voice your concerns about this issue.

Thank you, again, for contacting Governor Rick Snyder’s Office. If I can ever be of assistance with any state government related issue in the future please do not hesitate to contact me directly.

Sincerely,
Ryan Studley
Constituent Services Division
Executive Office of the Governor, Rick Snyder
O: 517-335-7858
Link Posted: 3/27/2014 3:29:18 PM EDT
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Holy smokes !  

A huge thanks to all of those that spent time and energy on this.

Link Posted: 3/27/2014 4:07:01 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By dclark77:
Holy smokes !  

A huge thanks to all of those that spent time and energy on this.

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+1

Link Posted: 3/27/2014 4:57:13 PM EDT
[#8]
Great news! Another thanks to everyone who made this happen.
Link Posted: 3/27/2014 5:36:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: greco] [#9]
Well, I'll be broke for a while now.  GREAT JOB EVERYONE.   Yahoooeee!


Link Posted: 3/27/2014 5:43:41 PM EDT
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So does this mean that it is ok to start submitting form 1's and 4's right now? Or do we have to wait for something else to happen?
Link Posted: 3/27/2014 5:57:59 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/27/2014 6:10:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: sbye] [#12]
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Originally Posted By coctailer:

It's over.

Get your credit card out and shop till ya drop.
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Originally Posted By sbye:
So does this mean that it is ok to start submitting form 1's and 4's right now? Or do we have to wait for something else to happen?

It's over.

Get your credit card out and shop till ya drop.


That is good and bad news Looks like I will be broke for a while.

Another question...

I have some suppressors... If i just bought a new house, that is a couple miles down the road from my old house, do I have to file a Form 5630.7 with the ATF before I can start submitting Form 1's?
Link Posted: 3/27/2014 6:18:11 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/27/2014 6:35:47 PM EDT
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Just e-filed my form 1
Link Posted: 3/27/2014 6:42:56 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/27/2014 6:50:05 PM EDT
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Just e-filed my form 1
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Should I add my lower receiver to my trust before I submit my form 1?
Link Posted: 3/27/2014 6:59:20 PM EDT
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I need a tutorial, lol. Barney style please
Link Posted: 3/27/2014 7:10:09 PM EDT
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whoo hoo!  thanks to all those who worked on this and called and bugged the law makers and those who voted Snyder!!!!
Link Posted: 3/27/2014 7:32:22 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By coctailer:
You need to notify NFA of your new address ASAP though for your existing items. It doesn't cost anything, so you could do it now.
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Why? It is not required by law.
Link Posted: 3/27/2014 7:38:46 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/27/2014 7:50:04 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By coctailer:
Maybe I'm mistaken.

They made me do it for my AOWs....
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No they don't. Nothing is required for an in-state move for any NFA stuff. And no forms are required for silencers or AOWs, interstate or intrastate.

Think of it this way - ATF has jurisdiction when you cross state lines, not when you stay within a given state. ATF is required by law to keep the registration record as accurate as possible. They ask that file in-state changes of address, but they cannot require it of you.
Link Posted: 3/27/2014 8:19:13 PM EDT
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So what all do I need to do in order to throw a 10.5" barrel on my Colt?
Link Posted: 3/27/2014 8:20:02 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/27/2014 8:22:50 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/27/2014 8:36:01 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By coctailer:
Originally Posted By RasputinsMember:
So what all do I need to do in order to throw a 10.5" barrel on my Colt?

http://quarterbore.com/library/pdf_files/shortbarreledriflefaq.pdf


So in other words, loads of bullshit. Got it.


Thanks
Link Posted: 3/27/2014 8:37:10 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/27/2014 8:42:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By coctailer:

Nope. A simple form.
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Originally Posted By RasputinsMember:
Originally Posted By coctailer:
Originally Posted By RasputinsMember:
So what all do I need to do in order to throw a 10.5" barrel on my Colt?

http://quarterbore.com/library/pdf_files/shortbarreledriflefaq.pdf


So in other words, loads of bullshit. Got it.


Thanks

Nope. A simple form.


Plus two pictures, fingerprints, having my local PD sign it, 200 bucks, a long wait time and an engraving on my lower?
Link Posted: 3/27/2014 8:44:33 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/27/2014 8:58:26 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By coctailer:

I can do it in 20 minutes.

If you don't like short guns, don't do it. It might not be your thing.

I buy factory Colts though.
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Oh make no mistake I'll still do it. I just have to piss and moan about it first.

HK MR556 / 416 Style 10.4in Upper slapped on my Colt will make me a happy man.


Link Posted: 3/27/2014 9:14:22 PM EDT
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This is awesome!!!   Not a baby step this time
Link Posted: 3/27/2014 9:39:49 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By coctailer:

I just get server errors. I'm trying to efile a bunch of Form 3s.
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Originally Posted By coctailer:
Originally Posted By Kuryakyn:
Just e-filed my form 1

I just get server errors. I'm trying to efile a bunch of Form 3s.


Can an individual register to e-file a Form 1, or is it only Class III FFL's that can e-file a Form 1?
Link Posted: 3/27/2014 9:46:05 PM EDT
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Can an individual register to e-file a Form 1, or is it only Class III FFL's that can e-file a Form 1?
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Originally Posted By wolverine05:
Originally Posted By coctailer:
Originally Posted By Kuryakyn:
Just e-filed my form 1

I just get server errors. I'm trying to efile a bunch of Form 3s.


Can an individual register to e-file a Form 1, or is it only Class III FFL's that can e-file a Form 1?


An individual cannot efile. It has to be a trust, LLC, or corporation. If you have a NFA trust you can efile a form 1
Link Posted: 3/27/2014 9:52:50 PM EDT
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F-in' outstanding. A hearty thanks to all involved in pushing this through.
Link Posted: 3/27/2014 10:23:15 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By sbye:


An individual cannot efile. It has to be a trust, LLC, or corporation. If you have a NFA trust you can efile a form 1
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Originally Posted By sbye:
Originally Posted By wolverine05:
Originally Posted By coctailer:
Originally Posted By Kuryakyn:
Just e-filed my form 1

I just get server errors. I'm trying to efile a bunch of Form 3s.


Can an individual register to e-file a Form 1, or is it only Class III FFL's that can e-file a Form 1?


An individual cannot efile. It has to be a trust, LLC, or corporation. If you have a NFA trust you can efile a form 1


I have a trust, and I have suppressors in it, it's just that I've never had to do NFA paperwork on my own.  The FFL always does it.  Do you have the website where I can go register to e-file for my trust?
Link Posted: 3/27/2014 10:41:45 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By wolverine05:


I have a trust, and I have suppressors in it, it's just that I've never had to do NFA paperwork on my own.  The FFL always does it.  Do you have the website where I can go register to e-file for my trust?
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Originally Posted By wolverine05:
Originally Posted By sbye:
Originally Posted By wolverine05:
Originally Posted By coctailer:
Originally Posted By Kuryakyn:
Just e-filed my form 1

I just get server errors. I'm trying to efile a bunch of Form 3s.


Can an individual register to e-file a Form 1, or is it only Class III FFL's that can e-file a Form 1?


An individual cannot efile. It has to be a trust, LLC, or corporation. If you have a NFA trust you can efile a form 1


I have a trust, and I have suppressors in it, it's just that I've never had to do NFA paperwork on my own.  The FFL always does it.  Do you have the website where I can go register to e-file for my trust?


Yeah! It is http://www.atfonline.gov

Also, here is a great thread on how to fill out the form...
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_17/415446_Visual_guide__How_to_fill_out_a_Form_1_using_EFORMS.html

Edit: best of luck submitting your form. It was working fine for me earlier, but when I tried to use it tonight it has been crashing when I try to sign in and saying that there are server issues.
Link Posted: 3/27/2014 10:55:29 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By BeardedDude:
With exception to the SBR/SBS bill, in what direction do you see the state going?

Reason I ask is because states that allow gay marriages tend to be for more gun laws.
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Link Posted: 3/27/2014 11:06:19 PM EDT
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The state did not allow it.  The voters rejected it.  A federal judge forced it on Michigan.  It will be appealed.
Link Posted: 3/27/2014 11:39:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By sbye:
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The law was effective immediately as of noon today, March 27th, 2014. SBRs and SBSs have been legal in MI for almost 12 whole hours now
Link Posted: 3/27/2014 11:42:48 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RasputinsMember:

Plus two pictures, fingerprints, having my local PD sign it, 200 bucks, a long wait time and an engraving on my lower?
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Originally Posted By coctailer:
Originally Posted By RasputinsMember:
Originally Posted By coctailer:
Originally Posted By RasputinsMember:
So what all do I need to do in order to throw a 10.5" barrel on my Colt?

http://quarterbore.com/library/pdf_files/shortbarreledriflefaq.pdf


So in other words, loads of bullshit. Got it.


Thanks

Nope. A simple form.

Plus two pictures, fingerprints, having my local PD sign it, 200 bucks, a long wait time and an engraving on my lower?

You could always set up an NFA trust. Before you submit any Form 1s or 4s, I'd make sure you fully understand the pros and cons of NFA trusts vs. individual ownership of NFA items.

Also, if you don't want to bother with finding an engraver, you can have a lower that's already been registered transferred to you. It's still $200 and the long wait, but it's already be 'made' and you don't have to bother with the engraving. Only the maker must engrave it, so buying a factory SBR lower eliminates that for you.
Link Posted: 3/28/2014 12:06:27 AM EDT
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Looks like the NFA section of this forum will be getting a bit more traffic haha.

Head over there and look around guys, any question you have has probably already been answered there.
Link Posted: 3/28/2014 5:55:44 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By RasputinsMember:

Oh make no mistake I'll still do it. I just have to piss and moan about it first.

HK MR556 / 416 Style 10.4in Upper slapped on my Colt will make me a happy man.


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Originally Posted By RasputinsMember:

Oh make no mistake I'll still do it. I just have to piss and moan about it first.

HK MR556 / 416 Style 10.4in Upper slapped on my Colt will make me a happy man.




Get a trust formed,  set up an eForm account,  and as long as the eForm site isn't broken (It usually is),  you can process a form in less than 10 minutes from home, while drinking a beer and not wearing pants.  The eForm system is much faster than the paperwork stuff,  and because it requires no police signature or pictures,  you can do it at your own leisure.  

Wait is roughly 17 weeks the last I checked.  I've still got a few pending,  but two of my eFormed toys are already in my hands.  My last (and I hopefully do mean my very last) paper form just came back on Saturday,  and I mailed that out last May.  In that time,  I've eFormed a few things and gotten them back well before that paper form happened.

Originally Posted By BeardedDude:
With exception to the SBR/SBS bill, in what direction do you see the state going?

Reason I ask is because states that allow gay marriages tend to be for more gun laws.


Personally I see a split.  Washington recently approved SBR/SBS,  pot and gay marriage,  all in the last two years.  Their gun laws are relatively fair right now.  

I don't really see what the problem is though.  Gay marriage being legal doesn't change your life one bit,  so why be so opposed to it?  The more freedoms that you grant people,  the less they will be on the offensive about screwing with what freedoms you can enjoy as well.  
Link Posted: 3/28/2014 7:50:10 AM EDT
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MSP buddy just told me a training bulletin has already gone out to Michigan law enforcement about the change in the law.

Getting my finger prints and dropping off my forms for LE signature today!
Link Posted: 3/28/2014 10:30:38 AM EDT
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MSP buddy just told me a training bulletin has already gone out to Michigan law enforcement about the change in the law.

Getting my finger prints and dropping off my forms for LE signature today!
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Have fun with the desk clerk and police chief that are probably too busy eating Krispy Kremes to read that training bulletin
Link Posted: 3/28/2014 3:00:39 PM EDT
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KICKASS!!!
Time to go shopping! haha
Link Posted: 3/28/2014 4:37:05 PM EDT
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Where did you do it?
Link Posted: 3/28/2014 4:39:19 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RasputinsMember:


So in other words, loads of bullshit. Got it.


Thanks
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Originally Posted By coctailer:
Originally Posted By RasputinsMember:
So what all do I need to do in order to throw a 10.5" barrel on my Colt?

http://quarterbore.com/library/pdf_files/shortbarreledriflefaq.pdf


So in other words, loads of bullshit. Got it.


Thanks


My first NFA transfer too 20 minutes with a $30 copy of Quicken Will Maker, and the only person I had to show my driver's license to was the notary at my bank. It was easier than buying a handgun.

The wait sucked though.
Link Posted: 3/28/2014 4:41:04 PM EDT
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Where did you do it?
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Originally Posted By Kuryakyn:
Just e-filed my form 1



Where did you do it?



Here
Link Posted: 3/28/2014 6:08:49 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Modly:


Get a trust formed,  set up an eForm account,  and as long as the eForm site isn't broken (It usually is), you can process a form in less than 10 minutes from home, while drinking a beer and not wearing pants.  The eForm system is much faster than the paperwork stuff,  and because it requires no police signature or pictures,  you can do it at your own leisure.  

Wait is roughly 17 weeks the last I checked.  I've still got a few pending,  but two of my eFormed toys are already in my hands.  My last (and I hopefully do mean my very last) paper form just came back on Saturday,  and I mailed that out last May.  In that time,  I've eFormed a few things and gotten them back well before that paper form happened.


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Originally Posted By RasputinsMember:

Oh make no mistake I'll still do it. I just have to piss and moan about it first.

HK MR556 / 416 Style 10.4in Upper slapped on my Colt will make me a happy man.




Get a trust formed,  set up an eForm account,  and as long as the eForm site isn't broken (It usually is), you can process a form in less than 10 minutes from home, while drinking a beer and not wearing pants.  The eForm system is much faster than the paperwork stuff,  and because it requires no police signature or pictures,  you can do it at your own leisure.  

Wait is roughly 17 weeks the last I checked.  I've still got a few pending,  but two of my eFormed toys are already in my hands.  My last (and I hopefully do mean my very last) paper form just came back on Saturday,  and I mailed that out last May.  In that time,  I've eFormed a few things and gotten them back well before that paper form happened.




http://troll.me/images/mah-nigga/my-nigga.jpg
Link Posted: 3/28/2014 10:04:09 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By rjbergen:
You could always set up an NFA trust. Before you submit any Form 1s or 4s, I'd make sure you fully understand the pros and cons of NFA trusts vs. individual ownership of NFA items.

Also, if you don't want to bother with finding an engraver, you can have a lower that's already been registered transferred to you. It's still $200 and the long wait, but it's already be 'made' and you don't have to bother with the engraving. Only the maker must engrave it, so buying a factory SBR lower eliminates that for you.
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Could you please elaborate more on the subject? (Cliff notes on what you know about it?)
Link Posted: 3/28/2014 10:23:44 PM EDT
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Form 1 submitted Let the wait begin!
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