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Link Posted: 4/15/2010 12:38:11 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Nicco61:
Real simple....Baptist Hospital since it is a "campus" open to the public.....yea or nea?


Did you read the section entitled "I have a CWL, where can't I carry my gun?" The answer you seek is there ...
Link Posted: 4/21/2010 10:32:18 AM EDT
I didnt see anything about carrying in a hospital. Can you carry in a hospital? What if there is a sign posted "no guns."
Link Posted: 4/21/2010 1:31:31 PM EDT
Originally Posted By CPTK:
I didnt see anything about carrying in a hospital. Can you carry in a hospital? What if there is a sign posted "no guns."



Signs mean nothing in the state of FL. The answer to your hospital question is in the bottom of the section called "I have a CWL, where can't I carry my gun?".
Link Posted: 4/21/2010 1:32:28 PM EDT
Added the "signs mean nothing" comment in Fl under the "I have a CWL, where can't I carry my gun?" section.
Link Posted: 4/21/2010 2:40:06 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Miami02TJ:
Originally Posted By CPTK:
I didnt see anything about carrying in a hospital. Can you carry in a hospital? What if there is a sign posted "no guns."



Signs mean nothing in the state of FL. The answer to your hospital question is in the bottom of the section called "I have a CWL, where can't I carry my gun?".


I saw that part but wasn't sure about hospitals.
I have been to hospitals where they were posted and work in one where it isn't posted.

I guess I can
Thanks

PS you should add hospital to the post
Link Posted: 4/21/2010 2:56:48 PM EDT
Originally Posted By CPTK:
Originally Posted By Miami02TJ:
Originally Posted By CPTK:
I didnt see anything about carrying in a hospital. Can you carry in a hospital? What if there is a sign posted "no guns."



Signs mean nothing in the state of FL. The answer to your hospital question is in the bottom of the section called "I have a CWL, where can't I carry my gun?".


I saw that part but wasn't sure about hospitals.
I have been to hospitals where they were posted and work in one where it isn't posted.

I guess I can
Thanks

PS you should add hospital to the post


The hospital section IS there and you should read it cause it's not nexcesarilly good to go.
Link Posted: 4/23/2010 4:21:19 PM EDT
Quick qestion, I'm looking at buying a house in FL. One of the ones I'm looking at is near a high school (you can see it from the house) but not on school porperty. Having any of my guns in that house is good to go right? Don't want to buy a place and then find out I can't store my rifles there...
Link Posted: 5/3/2010 8:16:07 PM EDT
I've read through this post and also through Gutmacher's book and I can't find an answer to my question. Is it legal to carry in a mental health clinic (not an inpatient hospital)? I read the part about hospitals and I wasn't sure if that applied in this case. I work in the mental health field (psychologist) and I'd feel a lot safer carrying while working around those who are not on meds or whose medications are not adequately controlling their mental disorders. Thanks in advance and I know the laws aren't always black and white, especially after reading Gutmacher's book, but any opinions from those more familiar than the laws than me would be greatly appreciated.

Dan
Link Posted: 5/3/2010 8:26:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/3/2010 8:28:31 PM EDT by Miami02TJ]
Originally Posted By dlf9281:
I've read through this post and also through Gutmacher's book and I can't find an answer to my question. Is it legal to carry in a mental health clinic (not an inpatient hospital)? I read the part about hospitals and I wasn't sure if that applied in this case. I work in the mental health field (psychologist) and I'd feel a lot safer carrying while working around those who are not on meds or whose medications are not adequately controlling their mental disorders. Thanks in advance and I know the laws aren't always black and white, especially after reading Gutmacher's book, but any opinions from those more familiar than the laws than me would be greatly appreciated.

Dan


Hmm, the law says:

394.458 Introduction or removal of certain articles unlawful; penalty.––

(1)(a) Except as authorized by law or as specifically authorized by the person in charge of each hospital providing mental health services under this part, it is unlawful to introduce into or upon the grounds of such hospital, or to take or attempt to take or send therefrom, any of the following articles, which are hereby declared to be contraband for the purposes of this section:

1. Any intoxicating beverage or beverage which causes or may cause an intoxicating effect;

2. Any controlled substance as defined in chapter 893; or

3. Any firearms or deadly weapon.

(b) It is unlawful to transmit to, or attempt to transmit to, or cause or attempt to cause to be transmitted to, or received by, any patient of any hospital providing mental health services under this part any article or thing declared by this section to be contraband, at any place which is outside of the grounds of such hospital, except as authorized by law or as specifically authorized by the person in charge of such hospital.

(2) A person who violates any provision of this section commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.


Hmm, i guess it depends on what is considered a "hospital" and the laws definition of it.
Link Posted: 5/3/2010 8:47:58 PM EDT
Thanks for the info. That's basically how I understood it, it all comes down to what is the definition of a "hospital"? All that legal-ese is like a foreign language to me. I guess that's why I went into the mental health field instead.
Link Posted: 5/27/2010 12:34:52 AM EDT
'I may be waaaay overthinking this, but what do questions 4a & 4b mean? I keep talking myself in circles.

4a) Do you qualify for exemption from the public records law as provided by Section 119.071(4)(d), Florida Statutes?
4b) If yes, do you wish to have this information kept confidential?

I'm guessing the normal answer to 4a is "yes", but the wording in the instructions has me confused. Too much talk about exemptions and exceptions to exemptions.

I'd like to keep my info confidential, so "yes" for 4b would be appropriate?
Link Posted: 5/27/2010 1:33:54 PM EDT
Very Good info thanks
Link Posted: 6/5/2010 8:54:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/5/2010 8:55:22 AM EDT by TZapp]
Damn good info here. Thanks for your time and effort!!
Link Posted: 6/5/2010 10:36:32 AM EDT
Originally Posted By freerider04:
'I may be waaaay overthinking this, but what do questions 4a & 4b mean? I keep talking myself in circles.

4a) Do you qualify for exemption from the public records law as provided by Section 119.071(4)(d), Florida Statutes?
4b) If yes, do you wish to have this information kept confidential?

I'm guessing the normal answer to 4a is "yes", but the wording in the instructions has me confused. Too much talk about exemptions and exceptions to exemptions.

I'd like to keep my info confidential, so "yes" for 4b would be appropriate?


If you follow the link to the statue is states what careers as well as family of thy allow for exception. If you are not on that list your answer would be no.
Link Posted: 6/6/2010 3:39:19 PM EDT
Changed title and fixed a typo ...
Link Posted: 6/13/2010 5:02:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/13/2010 5:10:43 PM EDT by Hedonist]
Since a person between the ages of 18-21 is prohibited from purchasing a handgun through a dealer, and cannot apply for his CCW until the age of 21 - can a person in that gray zone of age:

1. legally transport a loaded handgun?
2. can it be concealed in a console or glovebox (as anyone of CCW age can do)?
3. if so, must it be in a snap holster or zippered rug to be "securely encased"?
4. must that auto compartment be fully closed and latched?
5. should that person carry a copy of FS 790.25 or the complete 790 Statute?
6. how is consent to search vehicles affected?
7. would a "gift letter" explaining the origin of the handgun be helpful since a person in that age cannot fill out a 4473?

The above might be important to parents of 18-21 year-olds who have been gifted handguns and have the desire to legally transport loaded handguns.

Thanks.
Link Posted: 6/13/2010 5:35:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/13/2010 5:50:37 PM EDT by Miami02TJ]
Originally Posted By Hedonist:
Since a person between the ages of 18-21 is prohibited from purchasing a handgun through a dealer, and cannot apply for his CCW until the age of 21 - can a person in that gray zone of age:

1. legally transport a loaded handgun?
2. can it be concealed in a console or glovebox (as anyone of CCW age can do)?
3. if so, must it be in a snap holster or zippered rug to be "securely encased"?
4. must that auto compartment be fully closed and latched?
5. should that person carry a copy of FS 790.25 or the complete 790 Statute?
6. how is consent to search vehicles affected?
7. would a "gift letter" explaining the origin of the handgun be helpful since a person in that age cannot fill out a 4473?

The above might be important to parents of 18-21 year-olds who have been gifted handguns and have the desire to legally transport loaded handguns.

Thanks.


There is no legal difference between a 18 yo with a loaded gun and a 60 year old non-CCW holder with a loaded gun. Rules are the same for both. The only difference when it related to guns period is the 18yo cant purchase from an FFL, buy pistol ammo or get a CCW.

The other answers you seek are in the OP.
Link Posted: 6/13/2010 6:12:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/13/2010 6:12:53 PM EDT by Hedonist]

Originally Posted By Miami02TJ:
There is no legal difference between a 18 yo with a loaded gun and a 60 year old non-CCW holder with a loaded gun. Rules are the same for both. The only difference when it related to guns period is the 18yo cant purchase from an FFL, buy pistol ammo or get a CCW.

The other answers you seek are in the OP.

Thank you.

Link Posted: 6/15/2010 11:39:19 AM EDT
can I carry a concealed knife on a school with a CWP?
I know what it says with guns but does that apply to knives?
Link Posted: 6/15/2010 12:01:21 PM EDT
Originally Posted By CPTK:
can I carry a concealed knife on a school with a CWP?
I know what it says with guns but does that apply to knives?


The law says you can not carry a weapon or firearm on school facilities. It is unknown how a LEO will deal with a "common pocket knife" . Read the OP for info about what the law and caselaw says about a "common pocket knife". CWL or not has no influance on if it's legal or not.
Link Posted: 6/20/2010 1:41:35 PM EDT
Maybe I missed it, but has there ever been an answer about carrying in an Indian casino?
Link Posted: 6/20/2010 5:15:06 PM EDT
Originally Posted By hoglaw:
Maybe I missed it, but has there ever been an answer about carrying in an Indian casino?



Not really ... They refuse to respond with a citation of ANY law a person carrying a weapon would be charged with but yet maintain it's illegal.
Link Posted: 6/30/2010 12:38:28 PM EDT
How long have these CWL applications been taking lately?
Link Posted: 8/11/2010 4:10:11 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Facepuncher:
How long have these CWL applications been taking lately?


I'd be interested in knowing too.

Link Posted: 8/11/2010 4:16:08 PM EDT
My son, who lives in Tallahasse, went to the local licensing office to get an appointment, which he had the next day.
From then, it took 7 days for it to be in his mailbox.
Link Posted: 8/24/2010 10:37:53 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Facepuncher:
How long have these CWL applications been taking lately?


Just received mine yesterday. 12 days from the time they received it to the time it reached my mailbox. I'm surprised it was that quick.

Link Posted: 9/22/2010 9:25:18 PM EDT
Added open carry info today ... Still no response form the Indians on carry on their land. I give up ...
Link Posted: 9/22/2010 11:16:25 PM EDT
Here's one I encountered this week.

Private organization (Shriners, etc) that have a bar.
The bar sells to members only.

Does this follow the standard "dispense area" of the law? Or is this all considered private property and legal to carry everywhere inside?

Curious as I become a member if I can carry inside anywhere, or just in the non-bar area?

I really wish they'd rewrite that section and make this a bit more clear. Or just get over it and allow CCW w/permit in bars.
Link Posted: 9/22/2010 11:34:07 PM EDT
Originally Posted By kissfan:
Here's one I encountered this week.

Private organization (Shriners, etc) that have a bar.
The bar sells to members only.

Does this follow the standard "dispense area" of the law? Or is this all considered private property and legal to carry everywhere inside?

Curious as I become a member if I can carry inside anywhere, or just in the non-bar area?

I really wish they'd rewrite that section and make this a bit more clear. Or just get over it and allow CCW w/permit in bars.


Hell do I know ... I would guess its probably the same as a Chili's –– stay away from the bar.
Link Posted: 10/7/2010 1:04:35 PM EDT
If I want to keep a gun in my truck I can have it in my door map pocket as long as it is in a snapped holster correct? CWP or not
Link Posted: 10/11/2010 1:22:02 PM EDT
I just did my application today, only took 10 minutes. The most painless interaction with the governments i've ever encountered. I wish the Army was like this.
Link Posted: 10/11/2010 1:51:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Evile:
If I want to keep a gun in my truck I can have it in my door map pocket as long as it is in a snapped holster correct? CWP or not

Snapped holster = securely encased = good-to-go.

CWP or not. CWP doesn't matter because it's not "on your person."
Link Posted: 10/18/2010 2:50:01 PM EDT
I just recieved the license, literally 1 week to get it. WOW
Link Posted: 10/18/2010 2:54:42 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Denwad:
I just recieved the license, literally 1 week to get it. WOW



Yelp, the new system kicks ass ...
Link Posted: 1/3/2011 3:16:17 PM EDT
Notice of Suspension

I got a letter in the mail informing me that my CWL has been suspended based on 'criminal history information' submitted to the dept of licensing.
I got charged with crimes I did not commit. I am awaiting a court appearance to get acquitted/ have charges dropped. This letter arrives notifying me that
I have 21 days to request a hearing in Tallahassee to dispute the facts of the case and my eligibility for licensure.

The problem is I received this notice before I even got a court date. How does the dept. expect me to defy space/time and get an acquittal for them in time
if the court isn't even ready to hear my case yet? Hopefully I can get an arraignment before the state's imposed deadline.

Just a heads up to you guys with concealed permits, don't get wrongfully arrested for crimes you did not commit because the state will not bother to wait for the final disposition of your charges before suspending your licenses. You are not innocent until proven guilty, you are presumed guilty before you even get arrested.
Also, any court documents you will need to provide the state with (not that they shouldn't have access to these records electronically) will cost you a premium to obtain from the courts. The last time I had to obtain court documents they charged something like $7 per sheet.
Link Posted: 1/3/2011 3:45:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Powder_Burns:
Notice of Suspension

I got a letter in the mail informing me that my CWL has been suspended based on 'criminal history information' submitted to the dept of licensing.
I got charged with crimes I did not commit. I am awaiting a court appearance to get acquitted/ have charges dropped. This letter arrives notifying me that
I have 21 days to request a hearing in Tallahassee to dispute the facts of the case and my eligibility for licensure.

The problem is I received this notice before I even got a court date. How does the dept. expect me to defy space/time and get an acquittal for them in time
if the court isn't even ready to hear my case yet? Hopefully I can get an arraignment before the state's imposed deadline.

Just a heads up to you guys with concealed permits, don't get wrongfully arrested for crimes you did not commit because the state will not bother to wait for the final disposition of your charges before suspending your licenses. You are not innocent until proven guilty, you are presumed guilty before you even get arrested.
Also, any court documents you will need to provide the state with (not that they shouldn't have access to these records electronically) will cost you a premium to obtain from the courts. The last time I had to obtain court documents they charged something like $7 per sheet.


wow, good luck dude
Link Posted: 1/4/2011 7:31:09 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/17/2011 6:32:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Rangar:
My son, who lives in Tallahasse, went to the local licensing office to get an appointment, which he had the next day.
From then, it took 7 days for it to be in his mailbox.

What is this local office you speak of? The tax collector? Can you explain this more please?
Link Posted: 1/21/2011 7:39:28 PM EDT
Originally Posted By captainpooby:

Originally Posted By Rangar:
My son, who lives in Tallahasse, went to the local licensing office to get an appointment, which he had the next day.
From then, it took 7 days for it to be in his mailbox.

What is this local office you speak of? The tax collector? Can you explain this more please?


Google your local fl department of agriculture office.
Link Posted: 1/25/2011 11:47:21 PM EDT
Updated and added some detail to the "where I cant carry section" in relation to hospitals.
Link Posted: 2/4/2011 11:04:08 PM EDT
I took the 4-day defensive handgun course at Frontsight. Does that satisfy the training requirement for a FL CCW ?

Thanks
Link Posted: 2/5/2011 7:55:47 AM EDT
Originally Posted By FlyingIllini:
I took the 4-day defensive handgun course at Frontsight. Does that satisfy the training requirement for a FL CCW ?

Thanks


This one has been asked enough that I updated the post with your questions and an answer.
Link Posted: 2/18/2011 5:18:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/18/2011 5:19:55 PM EDT by Powder_Burns]
Update to prior post:

My license has been reinstated––they had the documents required of me for 25 days before I called to inquire about the status; and they lifted the suspension over the phone when I explained the circumstances. I was told they would mail out my license and reinstatement letter the next week. I received the letter in the mail today, with one caveat: No license. So, I called the dept. back today, explained what transpired, and I should have a duplicate mailed out to me in 7-10 business days. (They lost my license. Go figure.) Not a big deal really, but the point of this story is that you need to maintain a dialogue with the dept. or it is likely that nothing will get accomplished. If I hadn't called on the 10th, my suspension would not have been lifted yet. If I did not call today to 'touch base' regarding the notice of suspension being lifted, I'd still be waiting for my license to show up in the mail.

Just a heads up, in case anyone is going through a similar ordeal.
Link Posted: 3/10/2011 7:23:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/10/2011 7:24:09 PM EDT by camoman33935]
Sorry if this was already asked but, what is the process to getting your concealed carry permit if you have already taken a Hunter safety class?

Do you still need to take the concealed carry class or not?

Thanks,

Gavin
Link Posted: 3/11/2011 10:10:17 AM EDT
Originally Posted By camoman33935:
Sorry if this was already asked but, what is the process to getting your concealed carry permit if you have already taken a Hunter safety class?

Do you still need to take the concealed carry class or not?

Thanks,

Gavin


No, just call the state and get an application ..
Link Posted: 3/11/2011 11:37:46 AM EDT
Thanks for the info.
Link Posted: 3/22/2011 7:52:49 PM EDT
How does the State treat part time residents?
Say we Winter in FL and the rest of the year elsewhere.
Resident or Non-Resident licenses?
How about Hunting & Fishing Licenses?
Link Posted: 3/22/2011 8:52:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/22/2011 8:53:05 PM EDT by Miami02TJ]
Originally Posted By fp1201:
How does the State treat part time residents?
Say we Winter in FL and the rest of the year elsewhere.
Resident or Non-Resident licenses?


State only states the following on their website:

Proof of residence includes, but is not limited to:

Monthly utility, telephone, power, or cable bills, which show your name and address.
Monthly pay stubs or other documentation from your employer, which show your name and address.
Monthly credit card statements, which show your name and address.


Originally Posted By fp1201:How about Hunting & Fishing Licenses?


I know nothing about those ...
Link Posted: 3/25/2011 4:12:53 AM EDT
What's the consensus on picking up an adult or child on school/college grounds (not getting out of car) with a CWP?

Say I need to pick someone up in my car or I'm a passenger in the car of someone who's picking someone else up. Obviously I would not step out of the car on school grounds but am I OK sitting in the car with CCW?
Link Posted: 3/25/2011 9:13:13 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Tony44:
What's the consensus on picking up an adult or child on school/college grounds (not getting out of car) with a CWP?

Say I need to pick someone up in my car or I'm a passenger in the car of someone who's picking someone else up. Obviously I would not step out of the car on school grounds but am I OK sitting in the car with CCW?


That's covered in the first post ...
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