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Posted: 9/16/2005 8:53:21 PM EDT
Sorry this took so long to rewrite, but I have been busy annexing the Sudetenland.

If anyone has info they think should be added or edited, let it be known. This is just my take on how we do things.


The Lewis County Regulars

ANSWERS
to
FREQUENTLY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS
for
LCR SHOOTS


THE BIG PICTURE

Current pit is about 180x90 yards flat gravel with good backstop. Plenty of room for parking and camping. No water, no bathrooms, minimal shade, but plenty of trees in area. No soft ground for camping. Campfire always running. You do not need to bring an AR-15 to show up. Guests, dogs, kids and LEOs welcome.

Standard Saturday routine tends to be:

· 9:00 convoy from park and ride at exit 77. Shooting starts in earnest about 10:30. Most early shooting is newbies. Old-timers tend to pace themselves. Generally a cease-fire break for lunch. Resume shooting after lunch (good time for a Mad Minute!) . Shooting tends to be more on-and-off in later afternoon (a good time for experiments/clays/tactical drills). Cease fire break for dinner. More shooting. Night shooting for an hour or so after dark. Poker. Beer. Humor. Debates with CavVet. Stories. Insults. Sleep. Rain. Cold.

Friday night and Sunday routines tend to be unstructured.

SAFETY
If someone pimps you on safety, the best approach is usually: don’t fight it, don’t argue , don’t take it personally---just correct the mistake and learn from it--if you disagree, then comply first and debate later.

You are as much in charge of safety as anyone else is—so it is best to speak up if you see something wrong.

FIRING LINE

A rope or some sort of marker usually delineates the firing line. If line is not long enough, it is OK to extend to the sides to keep from bunching up. The goal is to keep all the muzzles in line, while keeping the brass on the tarp. Be sure of backstop if shooting cross-pit from far end of line. Pistol area is usually on end of line with targets set up at closer range.

WEAPONS HANDLING
If you are not comfortable operating in an informal range environment, then an easy way to stay safe is to:
· be unloaded when you leave the firing line: magazine out, action open, chamber empty.
· carry long guns muzzle up and place in rifle rack, or place on tarp/ground with muzzle even with firing line pointed downrange.
· carry handguns muzzle down or holstered.
· don’t handle weapons when people are down range

CEASE FIRE/COMMENCE FIRE
We don’t have organized ceasefire times. The following routine seems to be popular:
· Anyone can call cease-fire at any time.
o If there is a problem, call it so everyone hears you.
o If it is just a cease-fire to reset targets, for example, just ask the other shooters calmly if they want to go safe, let folks finish a magazine, etc., and after consensus, call it so everyone hears you.
· When restarting after a break
o Check for folks still downrange
o Call for “Ears On” ” and give people time to get ready
o Call “Range is Hot”

BUMP-FIRE
Bump-firing is allowed. Some folks appreciate a heads up before you bump-fire adjacent to them. This gives them a chance to spread out or step back to compensate for the bumpers lack of muzzle-control.

Due to the laws of geometry, a backstop of suitable size for aimed fire may be inadequate for un-aimed bump-fire.

Full-auto is also OK.

NIGHT OPS
Night shooting is an integral part of the experience. Tracers, incendiaries and propane are encouraged. Wax fire-starters or road flares are good for ignition sources.

Usually, no one shoots after drinking alcohol, unless they use common sense while doing so.

Some people get annoyed if you shoot too late at night. If you are not sure what constitutes “too late”, then you can always go ahead and shoot---if people get annoyed, then you were probably shooting too late.

Shooting hours don’t apply to shots of the world’s finest tequila, but they probably should!!

WEAPONS AWAY FROM THE FIRING LINE
It is understood that troubleshooting, cleaning and show-and-tell will be taking place away from the firing line. This is totally acceptable, just like it would be in a gun shop.

EYE AND EAR PROTECTION
Your personal eye and ear protection are your own business.

Since camp is usually very close to the range, most folks appreciate a heads-up to get ears on before shooting starts up after a break.

Be advised that there are usually a few muzzle brakes in use, and they tend to be extremely loud and send some blast laterally.

Hearing protection is recommended anytime the Makers is empty and 1GunRunner starts repeating stories.

TARGETS
· SUGGESTION #1: If you are shooting at a “really cool” target, give everyone a heads up, so they don’t miss the show!
· SUGGESTION #2: Clean up what you shoot

Just because someone organizes a shoot date, it does not mean they are responsible for providing targets. We usually just assume that someone will bring them. There is not normally a traditional paper target frame. Ranges are usually longer than most people are used to plinking at, so keep in mind that the visual effect is lessened – a shook up can of Schlitz Light may be fun at 20 yards, but it is near invisible at 100 yards..

Lists are not all inclusive:
· these usually make good targets – most anything reactive, tannerite, ice bottles, water bottles, cheap beer/soda cans, bowling pins, 4x4 lumber, pumpkins, melons, steel targets, propane cylinders empty or full, clays, balloons, various hard plastic items, tennis balls, softballs, glowsticks, orange bullseye exploders, Dixie Chicks CDs
· these usually make bad targets – anything that is a pain to clean up, glass, electronics (unless it is playing rap music), paper bullseyes (unless you plan on quietly sighting something in), nasty chemicals, conservatives

AMMUNITION
· OBSERVATION #1 - It really sucks to run out!! You might want to bring more than you think you need.

Reduced capacity magazines are discouraged, but tolerated. It helps to bring a cardboard box or tray to hold your stuff whilst sitting around campfire loading mags.

Pit is not a fire hazard—steel core is OK

BRASS
Bring a big tarp to catch brass if you can—it makes life so much easier. .22 rimfire are a real pain to pick up if it isn’t on the tarp. The brass all gets mixed and is generally available for the taking—feel free to pick through if you want to save some. Magnets can help for picking up steel cases.

CLEAN UP
Our goal is to leave the pit and camp clean of targets, brass, steel and trash. Everyone chips in to clean up their fair share, except for those who don’t. If you are leaving early, you can always call a cease fire for cleaning if you haven’t done your share yet.

The Sunday crew has been stuck doing most of the work on several occasions.

You can always volunteer to take out a few bags of trash.

ROADS
Roads are high quality gravel. You can make it with a normal auto or horse.

It is easy to get lost on way out, especially in dark –get good directions before leaving solo. Contrary to what millions of TV viewers believe…not everybody loves Raymond!!

PARKING
If parking space will be an issue, someone will usually post about it ahead of time and volunteer as parking-guru-of-the day. If you are bringing a big trailer, for example, they might want to know in advance to ensure they can save you a spot.

FOOD and DRINK
Food and drink are ‘bring your own’. If someone wants to bring treats or organize a BBQ—go for it.

VOMITING
It is recommended that you keep your muzzle pointed in a safe direction…..please!!

VOLCANO SAFETY
We are pretty close to Mt Saint Helens. Suggestions: In case of ash-fall --switch to BUIS. In case of lava flow -- duck and cover!

CAMERAS
If you plan on posting pictures, be advised that some people don’t want their faces on the web.

ALTERNATE ENTERTAINMENT
There always seem to be a few quads showing up. Poker is pretty popular. Haven’t seen any guitars yet.

THINGS THAT FORTUNATELY SEEM TO ALWAYS SHOW UP, BUT ARE NICE TO VERIFY AHEAD OF TIME
Friday night arriver to claim the pit
Saturday escort for park and ride rendezvous
Firewood
Campfire Grill
Overhead tarp for social area
Rifle Rack
Overhead canopy or tarp for rifle rack
Large tarp(s) for brass
First aid kits

THINGS THAT SOMEONE HOPEFULLY BRINGS
Targets
Chairs
Tables for range or camp
Magazines
Water for dousing fire on last morning
Rope for firing line
Extra Tarps for brass
Additional Canopies for rain wind
Garbage bags/boxes/buckets for trash/brass
More firewood
Hors d’ouerves
Music

DIVERSITY
While not an official policy, we at LCR celebrate diversity. We don’t discriminate based on action, brand, caliber, barrel length, stock color or national origin of manufacture. We even tolerate Oregonians and Coast Guardsmen, but we don’t like to talk about it. We do sort of draw the line at the U.N. though.

NOISE ABATEMENT
Tannerite can set off car alarms. Car alarms have been known to disturb deer and other wildlife.

BEHAVIOR
Party-types….be aware that there are children present. Some discretion is advised.
Parents…..be aware that there are party-types present. You can always move your kids away if campfire behavior surpasses your threshold.

No rules will prevent bad behavior or language. If someone gets out of control—someone else usually sets them straight.

LEGAL ISSUES
While we don’t have any actual rules against them, illegal drugs and illegal firearms have not shown up at the shoot.
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 8:57:30 PM EDT
WTF?
It resembles some of the more boring e-mails I get and don't read. ( that's 30% LESS sarcasm for ya... )

I'll be driving the Husky Fans that day.
NO RULES.
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 9:02:48 PM EDT


Link Posted: 9/16/2005 9:32:52 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 9:34:22 PM EDT
Do we have to wear pants there?


Link Posted: 9/16/2005 9:36:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/16/2005 9:37:40 PM EDT by RS_Coyote]

Originally Posted By JS98010:
Do we have to wear pants there?





At the current rate, no.

ETA: And all the ladies can go topless too.
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 9:52:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By RS_Coyote:

Originally Posted By JS98010:
Do we have to wear pants there?





At the current rate, no.

ETA: And all the ladies can go topless too.



If the ladies are topless, I'd be willing to put some suntan lotion on them!

Link Posted: 9/16/2005 9:53:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JS98010:
Do we have to wear pants there?





For the love of God! Yes man! Yes!
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 9:56:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Gibby:

Originally Posted By JS98010:
Do we have to wear pants there?





For the love of God! Yes man! Yes!



If the chicks have to be topless, the dudes should be pantsless!!
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 9:57:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Gibby:

If the ladies are topless, I'd be willing to put some suntan lotion on them!




Ah, yet another reason to reconsider my decision not to attend.
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 10:02:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Cherry_45:

Originally Posted By Gibby:

If the ladies are topless, I'd be willing to put some suntan lotion on them!




Ah, yet another reason to reconsider my decision not to attend.



You need to reconsider. It's a great time. (I think)
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 10:26:23 PM EDT


Originally Posted By Cherry_45:
Ah, yet another reason to reconsider my decision not to attend.










Originally Posted By Gibby:
You need to reconsider. It's a great time. (I think)





And you would know this how???

Link Posted: 9/16/2005 10:49:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CavVet:


Originally Posted By Gibby:
You need to reconsider. It's a great time. (I think)





And you would know this how???




Maybe he has seen some of the past shoot pics.

Link Posted: 9/17/2005 2:48:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CarbineMonoxide:
NOISE ABATEMENT
Tannerite can set off car alarms. Car alarms have been known to disturb deer and other wildlife.



Link Posted: 9/17/2005 8:25:31 PM EDT


Is this the FFF pic?

I can pick out scrun, RS_C and TBD, maybe Bunny and 1GR.

Who is getting swept?
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 8:28:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HABU:
img.photobucket.com/albums/v406/kooter/Wagrou2.jpg

Is this the FFF pic?





This is the Fuck you Arock pic. A couple years ago, small pit, LCR.


I can pick out scrun, RS_C and TBD, maybe Bunny and 1GR.


I have the original somewhere, I can pick out everyone.


Who is getting swept?


Probably me, I took that pic.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 8:31:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CavVet:



Who is getting swept?


Probably me, I took that pic.



Only thing sweeping you is the bird!
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 8:53:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/17/2005 8:54:11 PM EDT by Kooter]

Originally Posted By CavVet:

Originally Posted By HABU:
img.photobucket.com/albums/v406/kooter/Wagrou2.jpg

Is this the FFF pic?





This is the Fuck you Arock pic. A couple years ago, small pit, LCR.











Link Posted: 9/17/2005 8:57:49 PM EDT
Wonder if I can make out everyone

1GR
me
CK
RS_C
2wP
Belial
TBD
Erex
Headpulp­er
Scrun
Iblis
Tick

That is all I can tell
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 9:40:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/17/2005 9:42:01 PM EDT by Cherry_45]
You are all very sexy men.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 11:03:06 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 4:20:46 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CarbineMonoxide:

DIVERSITY
While not an official policy, we at LCR celebrate diversity. We don’t discriminate based on action, brand, caliber, barrel length, stock color or national origin of manufacture. We even tolerate Oregonians and Coast Guardsmen, but we don’t like to talk about it. We do sort of draw the line at the U.N. though.





Are democrats allowed?

And before someone says it, NO, I don't mean as targets!
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 4:27:17 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CarbineMonoxide:

DIVERSITY
While not an official policy, we at LCR celebrate diversity. We don’t discriminate based on action, brand, caliber, barrel length, stock color or national origin of manufacture. We even tolerate Oregonians and Coast Guardsmen, but we don’t like to talk about it. We do sort of draw the line at the U.N. though.





Are democrats allowed?

And before someone says it, NO, I don't mean as targets!
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 7:35:36 AM EDT
Non-doubletapping democrats...maybe.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 7:44:35 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 7:46:10 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CarbineMonoxide:
Sorry this took so long to rewrite, but I have been busy annexing the Sudetenland.

If anyone has info they think should be added or edited, let it be known. This is just my take on how we do things.


The Lewis County Regulars

ANSWERS
to
FREQUENTLY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS
for
LCR SHOOTS


THE BIG PICTURE

Current pit is about 180x90 yards flat gravel with good backstop. Plenty of room for parking and camping. No water, no bathrooms, minimal shade, but plenty of trees in area. No soft ground for camping. Campfire always running. You do not need to bring an AR-15 to show up. Guests, dogs, kids and LEOs welcome.

Standard Saturday routine tends to be:

· 9:00 convoy from park and ride at exit 77. Shooting starts in earnest about 10:30. Most early shooting is newbies. Old-timers tend to pace themselves. Generally a cease-fire break for lunch. Resume shooting after lunch (good time for a Mad Minute!) . Shooting tends to be more on-and-off in later afternoon (a good time for experiments/clays/tactical drills). Cease fire break for dinner. More shooting. Night shooting for an hour or so after dark. Poker. Beer. Humor. Debates with CavVet. Stories. Insults. Sleep. Rain. Cold.

Friday night and Sunday routines tend to be unstructured.

SAFETY
If someone pimps you on safety, the best approach is usually: don’t fight it, don’t argue , don’t take it personally---just correct the mistake and learn from it--if you disagree, then comply first and debate later.

You are as much in charge of safety as anyone else is—so it is best to speak up if you see something wrong.

FIRING LINE

A rope or some sort of marker usually delineates the firing line. If line is not long enough, it is OK to extend to the sides to keep from bunching up. The goal is to keep all the muzzles in line, while keeping the brass on the tarp. Be sure of backstop if shooting cross-pit from far end of line. Pistol area is usually on end of line with targets set up at closer range.

WEAPONS HANDLING
If you are not comfortable operating in an informal range environment, then an easy way to stay safe is to:
· be unloaded when you leave the firing line: magazine out, action open, chamber empty.
· carry long guns muzzle up and place in rifle rack, or place on tarp/ground with muzzle even with firing line pointed downrange.
· carry handguns muzzle down or holstered.
· don’t handle weapons when people are down range

CEASE FIRE/COMMENCE FIRE
We don’t have organized ceasefire times. The following routine seems to be popular:
· Anyone can call cease-fire at any time.
o If there is a problem, call it so everyone hears you.
o If it is just a cease-fire to reset targets, for example, just ask the other shooters calmly if they want to go safe, let folks finish a magazine, etc., and after consensus, call it so everyone hears you.
· When restarting after a break
o Check for folks still downrange
o Call for “Ears On” ” and give people time to get ready
o Call “Range is Hot”

BUMP-FIRE
Bump-firing is allowed. Some folks appreciate a heads up before you bump-fire adjacent to them. This gives them a chance to spread out or step back to compensate for the bumpers lack of muzzle-control.

Due to the laws of geometry, a backstop of suitable size for aimed fire may be inadequate for un-aimed bump-fire.

Full-auto is also OK.

NIGHT OPS
Night shooting is an integral part of the experience. Tracers, incendiaries and propane are encouraged. Wax fire-starters or road flares are good for ignition sources.

Usually, no one shoots after drinking alcohol, unless they use common sense while doing so.

Some people get annoyed if you shoot too late at night. If you are not sure what constitutes “too late”, then you can always go ahead and shoot---if people get annoyed, then you were probably shooting too late.

Shooting hours don’t apply to shots of the world’s finest tequila, but they probably should!!

WEAPONS AWAY FROM THE FIRING LINE
It is understood that troubleshooting, cleaning and show-and-tell will be taking place away from the firing line. This is totally acceptable, just like it would be in a gun shop.

EYE AND EAR PROTECTION
Your personal eye and ear protection are your own business.

Since camp is usually very close to the range, most folks appreciate a heads-up to get ears on before shooting starts up after a break.

Be advised that there are usually a few muzzle brakes in use, and they tend to be extremely loud and send some blast laterally.

Hearing protection is recommended anytime the Makers is empty and 1GunRunner starts repeating stories.

TARGETS
· SUGGESTION #1: If you are shooting at a “really cool” target, give everyone a heads up, so they don’t miss the show!
· SUGGESTION #2: Clean up what you shoot

Just because someone organizes a shoot date, it does not mean they are responsible for providing targets. We usually just assume that someone will bring them. There is not normally a traditional paper target frame. Ranges are usually longer than most people are used to plinking at, so keep in mind that the visual effect is lessened – a shook up can of Schlitz Light may be fun at 20 yards, but it is near invisible at 100 yards..

Lists are not all inclusive:
· these usually make good targets – most anything reactive, tannerite, ice bottles, water bottles, cheap beer/soda cans, bowling pins, 4x4 lumber, pumpkins, melons, steel targets, propane cylinders empty or full, clays, balloons, various hard plastic items, tennis balls, softballs, glowsticks, orange bullseye exploders, Dixie Chicks CDs
· these usually make bad targets – anything that is a pain to clean up, glass, electronics (unless it is playing rap music), paper bullseyes (unless you plan on quietly sighting something in), nasty chemicals, conservatives

AMMUNITION
· OBSERVATION #1 - It really sucks to run out!! You might want to bring more than you think you need.

Reduced capacity magazines are discouraged, but tolerated. It helps to bring a cardboard box or tray to hold your stuff whilst sitting around campfire loading mags.

Pit is not a fire hazard—steel core is OK

BRASS
Bring a big tarp to catch brass if you can—it makes life so much easier. .22 rimfire are a real pain to pick up if it isn’t on the tarp. The brass all gets mixed and is generally available for the taking—feel free to pick through if you want to save some. Magnets can help for picking up steel cases.

CLEAN UP
Our goal is to leave the pit and camp clean of targets, brass, steel and trash. Everyone chips in to clean up their fair share, except for those who don’t. If you are leaving early, you can always call a cease fire for cleaning if you haven’t done your share yet.

The Sunday crew has been stuck doing most of the work on several occasions.

You can always volunteer to take out a few bags of trash.

ROADS
Roads are high quality gravel. You can make it with a normal auto or horse.

It is easy to get lost on way out, especially in dark –get good directions before leaving solo. Contrary to what millions of TV viewers believe…not everybody loves Raymond!!

PARKING
If parking space will be an issue, someone will usually post about it ahead of time and volunteer as parking-guru-of-the day. If you are bringing a big trailer, for example, they might want to know in advance to ensure they can save you a spot.

FOOD and DRINK
Food and drink are ‘bring your own’. If someone wants to bring treats or organize a BBQ—go for it.

VOMITING
It is recommended that you keep your muzzle pointed in a safe direction…..please!!

VOLCANO SAFETY
We are pretty close to Mt Saint Helens. Suggestions: In case of ash-fall --switch to BUIS. In case of lava flow -- duck and cover!

CAMERAS
If you plan on posting pictures, be advised that some people don’t want their faces on the web.

ALTERNATE ENTERTAINMENT
There always seem to be a few quads showing up. Poker is pretty popular. Haven’t seen any guitars yet.

THINGS THAT FORTUNATELY SEEM TO ALWAYS SHOW UP, BUT ARE NICE TO VERIFY AHEAD OF TIME
Friday night arriver to claim the pit
Saturday escort for park and ride rendezvous
Firewood
Campfire Grill
Overhead tarp for social area
Rifle Rack
Overhead canopy or tarp for rifle rack
Large tarp(s) for brass
First aid kits

THINGS THAT SOMEONE HOPEFULLY BRINGS
Targets
Chairs
Tables for range or camp
Magazines
Water for dousing fire on last morning
Rope for firing line
Extra Tarps for brass
Additional Canopies for rain wind
Garbage bags/boxes/buckets for trash/brass
More firewood
Hors d’ouerves
Music

DIVERSITY
While not an official policy, we at LCR celebrate diversity. We don’t discriminate based on action, brand, caliber, barrel length, stock color or national origin of manufacture. We even tolerate Oregonians and Coast Guardsmen, but we don’t like to talk about it. We do sort of draw the line at the U.N. though.

NOISE ABATEMENT
Tannerite can set off car alarms. Car alarms have been known to disturb deer and other wildlife.

BEHAVIOR
Party-types….be aware that there are children present. Some discretion is advised.
Parents…..be aware that there are party-types present. You can always move your kids away if campfire behavior surpasses your threshold.

No rules will prevent bad behavior or language. If someone gets out of control—someone else usually sets them straight.

LEGAL ISSUES
While we don’t have any actual rules against them, illegal drugs and illegal firearms have not shown up at the shoot.



Is this a future LCR target
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 8:35:28 AM EDT

Originally Posted By OdT:

Originally Posted By gunchyck:
Are democrats allowed?

And before someone says it, NO, I don't mean as targets!



Sure they're welcome, but the question is whether they'll leave with a different opinion, or a stronger one... Just leave your tofu at home, and we'll try not to drag our knuckles in plain sight.

Either way, I'm sure we'll have plenty to talk about around the campfire..... wait, do democrats even drink?



I'm an Irish Dem, so that is like asking if I breathe.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 8:39:26 AM EDT

Originally Posted By OdT:
wait, do democrats even drink?





Link Posted: 9/18/2005 8:41:30 AM EDT

Originally Posted By gunchyck:

Originally Posted By OdT:
wait, do democrats even drink?



I'm an Irish Dem, so that is like asking if I breathe.



Link Posted: 9/18/2005 11:02:10 AM EDT
Rookie Question
When is the rallying time on Friday?
The Exit 77 P & R is the rally-point, right?
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 11:21:25 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 11:21:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/18/2005 11:23:58 AM EDT by Erex]
Im not sure if there is a meeting in the P R but i shold be heading uot of seattle at 7:00 pm on friday and its an hour to get there with a little daylight left for me
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