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Posted: 1/29/2011 3:57:45 AM EDT
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yup , have a look at the thread in GD some interesting stuff link
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Posted: 1/29/2011 3:58:22 AM EDT
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A Middle East in large scale turmoil is not a good thing for the rest of the World..................
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Posted: 1/29/2011 6:24:33 AM EDT
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Fall and replaced with what, exactly?
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Posted: 1/29/2011 6:38:47 AM EDT
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Fall and replaced with what, exactly? I notice that the religious leaders are keeping very quiet. Looks like they may be waiting for the right time to try and step in and try and assert some control. I imagine that the Iranian authorities are watching with interest to see if anything sparks off there as well. |
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Posted: 1/29/2011 6:40:53 AM EDT
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Time to start stocking up on ammo.
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Posted: 1/29/2011 6:56:22 AM EDT
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Mubarak's crapping his pants.
One of the Arab analysts on the beeb earlier was saying that organisations such as the Muslim Brotherhood are only as strong because of their opposition to dictators such as Mubarak. Mighht work out well in the long run. We have to hope so at least In the mean time lock'n'load |
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Posted: 1/29/2011 7:51:25 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/29/2011 7:55:28 AM EDT
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I love the way they're aligning student protests here with those in the Middle East.. 
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Posted: 1/29/2011 8:42:37 AM EDT
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Seems Mubarak has named the Head of the Secret Police as his Deputy, thats bound to go down well.
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Posted: 1/29/2011 9:05:22 AM EDT
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Seems Mubarak has named the Head of the Secret Police as his Deputy, thats bound to go down well. Probably not too many who want the job.......
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Posted: 1/29/2011 11:10:29 AM EDT
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Fall and replaced with what, exactly? very true ,,,, all leaders/politicians are as bad as each other... |
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Posted: 1/29/2011 11:16:30 AM EDT
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It strikes me that the people are demanding better freedoms and a fairer political system. I hope they get what they want.
My only fear is that the innocent people will suffer terribly if the more extreme elements of Islam try to gain a stronghold in the confusion and tranisiton to a more democratic state. If that happens then I would be concerned for the innocent people who may get caught in the crossfire while the different factions fight it out to fill a power vacuum. Hopefully Egypt is more stable than to allow such a thing to occur. |
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Posted: 1/29/2011 11:50:50 AM EDT
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Funnily enough we were watching SKY news rolling coverage of the events today in the canteen at work. Lots of commentators explaining how harsh the regime is and referring to torture etc
But then one of my colleagues who is Egyptian surprised us all by claiming that it is nowhere as bad as portrayed by the media. He said the State and the Police there are more "assertive" than here but nowhere as bad as we are led to believe. His theory is that the Islamists ( under various guises ) are fueling this "bad regime" angle so that they can offer something better. And ( according to him ) the regime is propped up by USA who pour in a load of military supplies. Having heard so much on the media and then this from him, I am now totally confused !! |
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Posted: 1/29/2011 11:57:42 AM EDT
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And ( according to him ) the regime is propped up by USA who pour in a load of military supplies. Yep, only Israel gets more military aid from the US. |
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Posted: 1/29/2011 2:38:00 PM EDT
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My Mum's side of the family goes back 3 generations having lived in both Egypt and Persia since the early 1900s and I've spent a little time in both Egypt (Cairo and Alex) and Jordan -like others here, I have always found the people friendly and easy top get along with.
I think the people do want democracy (or at least an interpretation of it). I worried about what the will actually get.. What worries me most though is that whatever they do get, the general problems they (and most of the 2nd, 3rd world) face are not easily solvable by any new government or system. At thie risk of soundign like a socialist (which I am not !  ) .... At the root of all of this is a model of globalisation that is essentially holed below the waterline. Bankrupt western democracies living beyond their means for so long have resorted to the only thing they know how to do - expanding money supply by turning on the printing presses, which has promptly leaked out to cause huge rises in basic commodity prices.... after all when 75% of what you earn goes on food, a 25% rise in the price of basics is a big deal - hence desperate people setting themselves on fire! Its all bad  and though I hope of for a good outcome I fear that this is just the beginning.. Fourth Turning anyone? |
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Posted: 1/29/2011 2:43:46 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/29/2011 3:01:17 PM EDT
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Saudi's been billing for a long time, this is why the Islamists get such a foothold and mostly why they have such internal problems. I would think that Syria may need watching. Many of those in the Gulf states too may feel disenfranchised by the excesses of their rulers, and I can only speak for Qatar, but they do go some way to placating their own populations by looking after them. That said, Qatar has has 3 coups in my lifetime, albeit peaceful ones... |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 1:53:19 AM EDT
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My Mum's side of the family goes back 3 generations having lived in both Egypt and Persia since the early 1900s and I've spent a little time in both Egypt (Cairo and Alex) and Jordan -like others here, I have always found the people friendly and easy top get along with. I think the people do want democracy (or at least an interpretation of it). I worried about what the will actually get.. What worries me most though is that whatever they do get, the general problems they (and most of the 2nd, 3rd world) face are not easily solvable by any new government or system. At thie risk of soundign like a socialist (which I am not ! ) .... At the root of all of this is a model of globalisation that is essentially holed below the waterline. Bankrupt western democracies living beyond their means for so long have resorted to the only thing they know how to do - expanding money supply by turning on the printing presses, which has promptly leaked out to cause huge rises in basic commodity prices.... after all when 75% of what you earn goes on food, a 25% rise in the price of basics is a big deal - hence desperate people setting themselves on fire! Its all bad and though I hope of for a good outcome I fear that this is just the beginning.. Fourth Turning anyone?Did you manage to get all the way through it? I go tthe gist but bloody hell it went on. Might need to brush up on it now.. 
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Posted: 1/30/2011 1:58:01 AM EDT
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Saudi's been billing for a long time, this is why the Islamists get such a foothold and mostly why they have such internal problems. I would think that Syria may need watching. Many of those in the Gulf states too may feel disenfranchised by the excesses of their rulers, and I can only speak for Qatar, but they do go some way to placating their own populations by looking after them. That said, Qatar has has 3 coups in my lifetime, albeit peaceful ones... ..and you didn't get into power on any of them...
My mum was born in Cairo but I've never felt the urge to go there............... |
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Posted: 2/1/2011 3:01:01 AM EDT
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A good (balanced) piece from Aljazeera explaining some of the financial aspects underlying what we have seen.
"Bernanke's "Quantitative Easing" policies combined with rampant credit growth in China and India has led to increased speculation in commodities. That speculation has forced up food prices. Please note that speculation in commodities is not a cause of anything. Rather commodity speculation is a result of piss poor monetary policies not only the Fed, but central bankers worldwide." The point is well made that if someone is having to spend 60 or 70% of what they earn on just feeding themselves (average Egyptian earns $2 per day), then a 20% jump in the price of food is a major problem. ""This protest won't end in North Africa; it will spread in many countries because of high unemployment and increasing food prices," Hamza Alkholi, chairman and chief executive of Saudi Alkholi Group, a holding company investing in industrials and real estate, said in an interview in Davos, Switzerland."  |
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Posted: 2/1/2011 9:27:54 AM EDT
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and more here...
"Corn spot up 7.76%, wheat up 5.63%, Rice up 10.08%, Hogs up 10.16%, Sugar up 5.64%, Orange Juice up 3.33%, and cotton.... up 17.08%. That's in one month!" |
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