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Posted: 9/5/2013 5:01:04 PM EDT
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Recruited from empire of bloomburgia, downstate bullshit
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Posted: 9/5/2013 5:09:27 PM EDT
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I hate to admit it but I took off my bfl magnet when safe act passed for just this reason.
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Posted: 9/5/2013 5:48:03 PM EDT
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FTNYSP warning posted
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Posted: 9/5/2013 5:57:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/5/2013 6:04:07 PM EDT
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But but but....................they won't arrest anybody or confiscate your guns
Their all on our side 
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Posted: 9/5/2013 6:27:57 PM EDT
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Just my .02 I would never wear anything related to firearms while carrying. Whether a Trooper or a BG I keep my shit secret.
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Posted: 9/5/2013 6:29:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/5/2013 7:18:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/5/2013 7:20:25 PM EDT
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A NY court just ruled it is illegal for a police officer to ask during a traffic stop if you are carrying a weapon.
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Posted: 9/5/2013 7:20:59 PM EDT
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A NY court just ruled it is illegal for a police officer to ask during a traffic stop if you are carrying a weapon. Really? Sweet! |
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Posted: 9/5/2013 7:21:56 PM EDT
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Just my .02 I would never wear anything related to firearms while carrying. Whether a Trooper or a BG I keep my shit secret. So, forfeit your 1st amendment rights to exercise what's left of your 2nd?
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Posted: 9/5/2013 7:30:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/5/2013 7:36:18 PM EDT
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So, forfeit your 1st amendment rights to exercise what's left of your 2nd? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just my .02 I would never wear anything related to firearms while carrying. Whether a Trooper or a BG I keep my shit secret. So, forfeit your 1st amendment rights to exercise what's left of your 2nd? Nope. Know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em. Know when OPSEC is more important than politics. |
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Posted: 9/5/2013 7:37:39 PM EDT
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Edited.
What I had intended to say was: If I choose not to wear something it is not giving up my right, simply being tactful in my use of it. Similar to when you meet someone with a baby - the first amendment allows you to say they have an ugly baby, however I would advise against it. |
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Posted: 9/5/2013 7:49:52 PM EDT
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Thought there was no more cop bashing in this forum!!?? Where's a moderator when you need one?
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Posted: 9/5/2013 7:51:12 PM EDT
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A NY court just ruled it is illegal for a police officer to ask during a traffic stop if you are carrying a weapon. Cite? |
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Posted: 9/5/2013 7:52:05 PM EDT
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Thought there was no more cop bashing in this forum!!?? Where's a moderator when you need one? Grow a thicker skin. 
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Posted: 9/5/2013 8:09:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thought there was no more cop bashing in this forum!!?? Where's a moderator when you need one? Yeah this is a total emergency...someone call in air support... |
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Posted: 9/5/2013 8:37:55 PM EDT
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My mothers friend who lived upstairs when she was 15 told her that her cousin's friend got hassled by the Police.
The point is, this is not even a first hand "story". |
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Posted: 9/5/2013 9:16:56 PM EDT
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The point is, this is not even a first hand "story". Nothing on this forum is first hand to anyone else. |
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Posted: 9/5/2013 9:49:08 PM EDT
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Nothing on this forum is first hand to anyone else. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The point is, this is not even a first hand "story". Nothing on this forum is first hand to anyone else. It would be if he was the one who had the encounter. |
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Posted: 9/5/2013 10:46:41 PM EDT
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I don't think the OP is bashing. I think he is asking a question and trying to stimulate conversation. I think there is a line drawn for cop bashing and he has not crossed it. I'm sure mods are watching......always watching.
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Posted: 9/6/2013 1:07:49 AM EDT
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And fuck the 1st Amendment. When you carry a gun people tend to listen. I'm guessing that came out wrong. The first amendment is kind of cool as well. 
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Posted: 9/6/2013 2:03:55 AM EDT
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A NY court just ruled it is illegal for a police officer to ask during a traffic stop if you are carrying a weapon. Really? Sweet! Not quite, more that it said you must have specific suspicion that the person(s) you've stopped may have a weapon, as opposed to asking as a rule if there are any weapons or using the reasoning that there are a lot of weapons being carried in the area. http://caselaw.findlaw.com/ny-court-of-appeals/1618463.html |
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Posted: 9/6/2013 3:51:44 AM EDT
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I'm guessing that came out wrong. The first amendment is kind of cool as well. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And fuck the 1st Amendment. When you carry a gun people tend to listen. I'm guessing that came out wrong. The first amendment is kind of cool as well. May have had a beer or two prior to posting. All of the amendments are okay in my book. |
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Posted: 9/6/2013 3:55:59 AM EDT
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shit. I wear my BFL logo hat daily and usually some sort of firearm related t-shirt 2-3 times a week sometimes. I have my BFL logo magnet and door magnets advertising my FFL on my truck daily, in addition to various window stickers from SCOPE, NRA, NYSRP, Gadsden etc. Never been hassled.
This guy must have run into a real ass. I won't change anything about my attire in fear of being profiled. Want to profile me, profile me. I have nothing to hide or be ashamed of. |
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Posted: 9/6/2013 3:56:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My mothers friend who lived upstairs when she was 15 told her that her cousin's friend got hassled by the Police. The point is, this is not even a first hand "story". I think the cop bashing accusation was directed to a post about 4 or 5 after my original post. Nothing in my OP can be construed as cop bashing, not even toward the trooper involved. It was merely a restatement of events. |
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Posted: 9/6/2013 4:24:21 AM EDT
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My mothers friend who lived upstairs when she was 15 told her that her cousin's friend got hassled by the Police. The point is, this is not even a first hand "story". Knowing the OP and the club well, I can confidently state you are wrong in your ASSumption. Vly, thanks for posting this, but I ain't taking off my Larue hat. Too bad about the encounter, one bad apple and all that. |
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Posted: 9/6/2013 5:10:24 AM EDT
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Thought there was no more cop bashing in this forum!!?? Where's a moderator when you need one? Grow a thicker skin. This. Honest and tactful criticism of the actions of Law Enforcement should never be banned. But in order to be respected the LEOs need to return the favor. |
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Posted: 9/6/2013 5:48:14 AM EDT
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This. Honest and tactful criticism of the actions of Law Enforcement should never be banned. But in order to be respected the LEOs need to return the favor. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thought there was no more cop bashing in this forum!!?? Where's a moderator when you need one? Grow a thicker skin. This. Honest and tactful criticism of the actions of Law Enforcement should never be banned. But in order to be respected the LEOs need to return the favor. THIS. 
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Posted: 9/6/2013 5:54:12 AM EDT
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Honest and tactful criticism of the actions of Law Enforcement should never be banned. I agree but that's not what was posted and removed by a mod on page 1. |
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Posted: 9/6/2013 6:01:33 AM EDT
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This. Honest and tactful criticism of the actions of Law Enforcement should never be banned. But in order to be respected the LEOs need to return the favor. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thought there was no more cop bashing in this forum!!?? Where's a moderator when you need one? Grow a thicker skin. This. Honest and tactful criticism of the actions of Law Enforcement should never be banned. But in order to be respected the LEOs need to return the favor. Agreed |
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Posted: 9/6/2013 6:03:41 AM EDT
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I agree but that's not what was posted and removed by a mod on page 1. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Honest and tactful criticism of the actions of Law Enforcement should never be banned. I agree but that's not what was posted and removed by a mod on page 1. Moderator is a good friend, but on this he was a bit over zealous.
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Posted: 9/6/2013 6:09:52 AM EDT
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It would be if he was the one who had the encounter. For him. Once you read it, it's second hand. |
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Posted: 9/6/2013 6:44:19 AM EDT
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People need to just take a moment to realize that not everyone is against us and not everyone is for us. Cop bashing is stupid, they are not our enemy, but I wouldn't consider them friends to our side either.
My point I guess is that be it law enforcement, military, your church, people at your bingo club or your neighbors, hell even your gun club is going to have people that are against us, just as they might be for us. I don't know guys my heads all fucked up right now, I'm just saying be smart and don't go thinking one group that comprises tons of people is unanimously for or against us. |
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Posted: 9/6/2013 6:44:52 AM EDT
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A NY court just ruled it is illegal for a police officer to ask during a traffic stop if you are carrying a weapon. Cite? I don't have the story I usually cite (I may get it later) but here is another: http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Police-Ask-Drivers-Guns-NY-Traffic-Stops-Court-Ruling-Founded-Suspicious-184000001.html "The court majority said police cannot, simply as a protective measure, routinely ask the occupants of a vehicle about weapons, though under established case law officers can tell motorists to get out in order to get a better look at them... The state's highest court ruled Tuesday that police can't simply ask stopped motorists if they have a gun or other weapon but need a "founded suspicion" in order to ask." In other words, "the safety of the officer" is not a valid reason. That said, it clearly doesn't stop police officers / JBTs from harassing people. |
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Posted: 9/6/2013 6:46:22 AM EDT
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I don't have the story I usually cite (I may get it later) but here is another: http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Police-Ask-Drivers-Guns-NY-Traffic-Stops-Court-Ruling-Founded-Suspicious-184000001.html "The court majority said police cannot, simply as a protective measure, routinely ask the occupants of a vehicle about weapons, though under established case law officers can tell motorists to get out in order to get a better look at them... The state's highest court ruled Tuesday that police can't simply ask stopped motorists if they have a gun or other weapon but need a "founded suspicion" in order to ask." In other words, "the safety of the officer" is not a valid reason. That said, it clearly doesn't stop police officers / JBTs from harassing people. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A NY court just ruled it is illegal for a police officer to ask during a traffic stop if you are carrying a weapon. Cite? I don't have the story I usually cite (I may get it later) but here is another: http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Police-Ask-Drivers-Guns-NY-Traffic-Stops-Court-Ruling-Founded-Suspicious-184000001.html "The court majority said police cannot, simply as a protective measure, routinely ask the occupants of a vehicle about weapons, though under established case law officers can tell motorists to get out in order to get a better look at them... The state's highest court ruled Tuesday that police can't simply ask stopped motorists if they have a gun or other weapon but need a "founded suspicion" in order to ask." In other words, "the safety of the officer" is not a valid reason. That said, it clearly doesn't stop police officers / JBTs from harassing people. I cited the courts opinion on page 1. Safety of the officer is a valid reason, but there has to be suspicion that 'criminality is afoot', not merely a routine traffic stop. |
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Posted: 9/6/2013 6:50:08 AM EDT
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I agree but that's not what was posted and removed by a mod on page 1. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Honest and tactful criticism of the actions of Law Enforcement should never be banned. I agree but that's not what was posted and removed by a mod on page 1. No doubt. Just saying that me personally I don't respond to a few posters here specifically because they are PD and would cry bashing if confronted on the shit they spew. I like being on ARFcom and I respect a number of the LEOs that are part of our HTF. But others can come off as entitled and condescending. |
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Posted: 9/6/2013 6:53:08 AM EDT
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As a LE member of this site, the best advice I can give to all our fellow NY citizens is:
Don't trust ANY LE Officer unless you know him/her very, very well........like family Most of us will not enforce this law or even mess with you over it.......and we are as disgruntled as anyone else. But, you may just run into "Officer friendly" during casual conversation and next thing you know you are in handcuffs because he/she was actually supportive of this law. You have to keep in mind that LE is a direct reflection of the people in our state........the same people that voted the idiots into office that created and passed this BS law.... ........Please, please, keep that in mind and protect yourself accordingly.......I cant stress that enough. |
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Posted: 9/6/2013 6:56:14 AM EDT
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As a LE member of this site, the best advice I can give to all our fellow NY citizens is: Don't trust ANY LE Officer unless you know him/her very, very well........like family Bingo. |
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Posted: 9/6/2013 6:59:43 AM EDT
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People need to just take a moment to realize that not everyone is against us and not everyone is for us. Cop bashing is stupid, they are not our enemy, but I wouldn't consider them friends to our side either. My point I guess is that be it law enforcement, military, your church, people at your bingo club or your neighbors, hell even your gun club is going to have people that are against us, just as they might be for us. I don't know guys my heads all fucked up right now, I'm just saying be smart and don't go thinking one group that comprises tons of people is unanimously for or against us. Ciraxis, I read your post on GD about your dog. Sorry for your loss. Losing a dear pet sucks. |
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Posted: 9/6/2013 7:13:15 AM EDT
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As a LE member of this site, the best advice I can give to all our fellow NY citizens is: Don't trust ANY LE Officer unless you know him/her very, very well........like family Bingo. Stop your cop bashing! 
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Posted: 9/6/2013 7:19:12 AM EDT
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Ciraxis, I read your post on GD about your dog. Sorry for your loss. Losing a dear pet sucks. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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People need to just take a moment to realize that not everyone is against us and not everyone is for us. Cop bashing is stupid, they are not our enemy, but I wouldn't consider them friends to our side either. My point I guess is that be it law enforcement, military, your church, people at your bingo club or your neighbors, hell even your gun club is going to have people that are against us, just as they might be for us. I don't know guys my heads all fucked up right now, I'm just saying be smart and don't go thinking one group that comprises tons of people is unanimously for or against us. Ciraxis, I read your post on GD about your dog. Sorry for your loss. Losing a dear pet sucks. thanks, hopefully my above post comes across ok, like i said my mind is fucked today |
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Posted: 9/6/2013 7:37:53 AM EDT
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Sorry for your loss my friend.
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People need to just take a moment to realize that not everyone is against us and not everyone is for us. Cop bashing is stupid, they are not our enemy, but I wouldn't consider them friends to our side either. My point I guess is that be it law enforcement, military, your church, people at your bingo club or your neighbors, hell even your gun club is going to have people that are against us, just as they might be for us. I don't know guys my heads all fucked up right now, I'm just saying be smart and don't go thinking one group that comprises tons of people is unanimously for or against us. Ciraxis, I read your post on GD about your dog. Sorry for your loss. Losing a dear pet sucks. thanks, hopefully my above post comes across ok, like i said my mind is fucked today |
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Posted: 9/6/2013 7:49:01 AM EDT
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As a LE member of this site, the best advice I can give to all our fellow NY citizens is: Don't trust ANY LE Officer unless you know him/her very, very well........like family Bingo. Stop your cop bashing! I don't think the OP is bashing by any means.....people need to be reminded to not become complacent, and believe that is his point. There are LEOs that I work with, albeit very few.... Less than 10%, who support the SAFE act, you never know who you are going to get.....and I don't like those odds. What I stated is reality and sound advice.....YMMV |
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Posted: 9/6/2013 8:07:51 AM EDT
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I don't think the OP is bashing by any means.....people need to be reminded to not become complacent, and believe that is his point. There are LEOs that I work with, albeit very few.... Less than 10%, who support the SAFE act, you never know who you are going to get.....and I don't like those odds. What I stated is reality and sound advice.....YMMV Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As a LE member of this site, the best advice I can give to all our fellow NY citizens is: Don't trust ANY LE Officer unless you know him/her very, very well........like family Bingo. Stop your cop bashing! I don't think the OP is bashing by any means.....people need to be reminded to not become complacent, and believe that is his point. There are LEOs that I work with, albeit very few.... Less than 10%, who support the SAFE act, you never know who you are going to get.....and I don't like those odds. What I stated is reality and sound advice.....YMMV Sarcasm meter needs calibration my friend. 
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Posted: 9/6/2013 8:25:05 AM EDT
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I cited the courts opinion on page 1. Safety of the officer is a valid reason, but there has to be suspicion that 'criminality is afoot', not merely a routine traffic stop. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A NY court just ruled it is illegal for a police officer to ask during a traffic stop if you are carrying a weapon. Cite? I don't have the story I usually cite (I may get it later) but here is another: http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Police-Ask-Drivers-Guns-NY-Traffic-Stops-Court-Ruling-Founded-Suspicious-184000001.html "The court majority said police cannot, simply as a protective measure, routinely ask the occupants of a vehicle about weapons, though under established case law officers can tell motorists to get out in order to get a better look at them... The state's highest court ruled Tuesday that police can't simply ask stopped motorists if they have a gun or other weapon but need a "founded suspicion" in order to ask." In other words, "the safety of the officer" is not a valid reason. That said, it clearly doesn't stop police officers / JBTs from harassing people. I cited the courts opinion on page 1. Safety of the officer is a valid reason, but there has to be suspicion that 'criminality is afoot', not merely a routine traffic stop. An officer cannot legally pull you over for a routine traffic stop and ask if you have any weapons as a precaution for his own safety. He needs reasonable suspicion of a crime. My question for lawyers and LEOs: if an average citizen is pulled over for a routine traffic stop and is asked by the LEO if he has any weapons, how should this person respond? |
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Posted: 9/6/2013 8:35:58 AM EDT
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We are saying the same thing.
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Posted: 9/6/2013 8:40:17 AM EDT
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As a LE member of this site, the best advice I can give to all our fellow NY citizens is: Don't trust ANY LE Officer unless you know him/her very, very well........like family Bingo. Stop your cop bashing! Well I don't think you should trust anyone, period.
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Posted: 9/6/2013 9:10:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sarcasm meter needs calibration my friend. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't think the OP is bashing by any means.....people need to be reminded to not become complacent, and believe that is his point. There are LEOs that I work with, albeit very few.... Less than 10%, who support the SAFE act, you never know who you are going to get.....and I don't like those odds. What I stated is reality and sound advice.....YMMV Sarcasm meter needs calibration my friend. This is a first. I've never known anyone to take you seriously.   |
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