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Posted: 3/23/2014 1:20:46 PM EDT
As a former resident of Robbinsdale, I still find it amusing whenever the town is mentioned in the news for reasons other than being the location of North Memorial Hospital, to where the latest north Minneapolis shooting victim was taken.

http://kstp.com/news/stories/S3371698.shtml

This cop didn't seem to have all of his "OPSEC" facilties about him. For example, as a cop who has probably overseen stings such as the one that got him, he knows that if you set an ambush for someone to capture them, you do it in a place of your choosing so you can control as many variables as possible. You get your mark to come to you, not you go to them, if you can avoid it.

If he wanted to engage in this activity without fear of being caught, he should have at least made arrangements to meet in a neutral third location of his choosing. If you are going somewhere they choose, there's always a chance it's a trap.

Applicable in many facets of life. I'm pretty sure I remember reading something about this in the writings of Sun Tzu.
Link Posted: 3/23/2014 3:50:38 PM EDT
LEO's should be held to a HIGHER standard, IMHO.
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Originally Posted By Rat_Patrol:
LEO's should be held to a HIGHER standard, IMHO.
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I have to ask then being they are held to a higher standard, are they entitled to rights & privileges others are not?

This does look to not look good for one in law enforcement... kinda like DUI's... that one police chief around me got this winter after he drove his car off the road & hit a tree.
Link Posted: 4/28/2014 6:38:34 AM EDT
I have to ask then being they are held to a higher standard, are they entitled to rights & privileges others are not?
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Yes, actually they are. It's called qualified immunity, & that's just one of their exclusive extra privileges. Effectively they have the 007 privileges. They're licensed to kill. Haven't you noticed how trigger happy the MN LEO have become in the last few years? Probably the most recent example is the one in Chan where they killed the guy who was supposedly coming at them with a knife & then the lady who supposedly picked up the knife & came at them. Pretty fishy, but it happens real often around here. There was the killing of the lady in Woodbury who took off when a cop tried to reach in her car & grab her car keys & got himself tangled in the steering wheel. Of course there's the guy in Uptown about a year ago who was cornered by a couple of cops & supposedly went for one of the cop's guns. There was the case on 394 when the lady supposedly got out of her car with a gun & she was shot to death. (Apparently some pretty loose ROEs here.) You can argue each of these cases individually but it all adds up to the fact that dead men/women tell no tales.

These are just the ones that I can remember off the top of my head. It wouldn't take much research to find a lot more, I'm sure.

Who investigates all this stuff? Oh, yeah. The cops investigate themselves.
Link Posted: 4/28/2014 7:48:53 AM EDT
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Yes, actually they are. It's called qualified immunity, & that's just one of their exclusive extra privileges. Effectively they have the 007 privileges. They're licensed to kill. Haven't you noticed how trigger happy the MN LEO have become in the last few years? Probably the most recent example is the one in Chan where they killed the guy who was supposedly coming at them with a knife & then the lady who supposedly picked up the knife & came at them. Pretty fishy, but it happens real often around here. There was the killing of the lady in Woodbury who took off when a cop tried to reach in her car & grab her car keys & got himself tangled in the steering wheel. Of course there's the guy in Uptown about a year ago who was cornered by a couple of cops & supposedly went for one of the cop's guns. There was the case on 394 when the lady supposedly got out of her car with a gun & she was shot to death. (Apparently some pretty loose ROEs here.) You can argue each of these cases individually but it all adds up to the fact that dead men/women tell no tales.

These are just the ones that I can remember off the top of my head. It wouldn't take much research to find a lot more, I'm sure.

Who investigates all this stuff? Oh, yeah. The cops investigate themselves.
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Originally Posted By hardcase:
I have to ask then being they are held to a higher standard, are they entitled to rights & privileges others are not?


Yes, actually they are. It's called qualified immunity, & that's just one of their exclusive extra privileges. Effectively they have the 007 privileges. They're licensed to kill. Haven't you noticed how trigger happy the MN LEO have become in the last few years? Probably the most recent example is the one in Chan where they killed the guy who was supposedly coming at them with a knife & then the lady who supposedly picked up the knife & came at them. Pretty fishy, but it happens real often around here. There was the killing of the lady in Woodbury who took off when a cop tried to reach in her car & grab her car keys & got himself tangled in the steering wheel. Of course there's the guy in Uptown about a year ago who was cornered by a couple of cops & supposedly went for one of the cop's guns. There was the case on 394 when the lady supposedly got out of her car with a gun & she was shot to death. (Apparently some pretty loose ROEs here.) You can argue each of these cases individually but it all adds up to the fact that dead men/women tell no tales.

These are just the ones that I can remember off the top of my head. It wouldn't take much research to find a lot more, I'm sure.

Who investigates all this stuff? Oh, yeah. The cops investigate themselves.

Link Posted: 4/28/2014 8:02:31 AM EDT
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Yes, actually they are. It's called qualified immunity, & that's just one of their exclusive extra privileges. Effectively they have the 007 privileges. They're licensed to kill. Haven't you noticed how trigger happy the MN LEO have become in the last few years? Probably the most recent example is the one in Chan where they killed the guy who was supposedly coming at them with a knife & then the lady who supposedly picked up the knife & came at them. Pretty fishy, but it happens real often around here. There was the killing of the lady in Woodbury who took off when a cop tried to reach in her car & grab her car keys & got himself tangled in the steering wheel. Of course there's the guy in Uptown about a year ago who was cornered by a couple of cops & supposedly went for one of the cop's guns. There was the case on 394 when the lady supposedly got out of her car with a gun & she was shot to death. (Apparently some pretty loose ROEs here.) You can argue each of these cases individually but it all adds up to the fact that dead men/women tell no tales.

These are just the ones that I can remember off the top of my head. It wouldn't take much research to find a lot more, I'm sure.

Who investigates all this stuff? Oh, yeah. The cops investigate themselves.
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Originally Posted By hardcase:
I have to ask then being they are held to a higher standard, are they entitled to rights & privileges others are not?


Yes, actually they are. It's called qualified immunity, & that's just one of their exclusive extra privileges. Effectively they have the 007 privileges. They're licensed to kill. Haven't you noticed how trigger happy the MN LEO have become in the last few years? Probably the most recent example is the one in Chan where they killed the guy who was supposedly coming at them with a knife & then the lady who supposedly picked up the knife & came at them. Pretty fishy, but it happens real often around here. There was the killing of the lady in Woodbury who took off when a cop tried to reach in her car & grab her car keys & got himself tangled in the steering wheel. Of course there's the guy in Uptown about a year ago who was cornered by a couple of cops & supposedly went for one of the cop's guns. There was the case on 394 when the lady supposedly got out of her car with a gun & she was shot to death. (Apparently some pretty loose ROEs here.) You can argue each of these cases individually but it all adds up to the fact that dead men/women tell no tales.

These are just the ones that I can remember off the top of my head. It wouldn't take much research to find a lot more, I'm sure.

Who investigates all this stuff? Oh, yeah. The cops investigate themselves.


Holy crap dude. You just went full potato.

Edit to add: for the record, qualified immunity is not a defense against murder. I hope you don't seriously think any government official has a license to kill, real or unofficial.
Link Posted: 4/28/2014 10:44:26 AM EDT
Coupla snappy replies so far. I don't know how I'll defend myself against them.

Link Posted: 4/28/2014 11:31:51 AM EDT
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see last post.............dpmmn
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