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Posted: 4/20/2003 6:27:39 AM EDT
Oh the ideas you get in the middle of the night.......a few years late unfortunately!

One of my shooting buddies in the golden state has a homebuilt AR he made from a 80% lower.  He is a machinist by trade and it is a very nice shooting weapon.  He registered it along with his other AW's of course as did I.  At the time I was not an AR owner and while I thought about picking one up prior to the deadline, I found other things to spend my limited shooting budget on.  If I had thought of it at the time this is what I would have done......

I would have registered "phantom" AR's.  My friend made up a serial number for his homebuilt of course (I think it was his girlfriend's phone number) and stamped it on the receiver.  I would have just "made up" say 10 serial numbers and registered them thus giving me the option of building California Legal AR's on 80% lowers as funds were available by using these serial #'s as I went along.  My only out of pocket expense would have been the $25 (I think that is what it was) registration fee per serial #.

Did anyone do this or know of anyone who did?  Just curious.
Link Posted: 4/20/2003 7:59:36 PM EDT
[#1]
Manufacturing an AR in California would be illegal. Even for personal use.
Link Posted: 4/20/2003 8:51:24 PM EDT
[#2]

Quoted:
Manufacturing an AR in California would be illegal. Even for personal use.



Not if it was done and registered before the ban.  Right?

rickinVegas, I understand what you are saying.  Hindsite is always 20/20!  If I knew about this site back then and knew about 80% lowers and 0% forgings, I would have been all over it.  Oh well.  I'll have to settle for the 2 I do have until I can buy a place out of state.
Link Posted: 4/21/2003 12:47:55 PM EDT
[#3]
Were it in before sb23 i think it would have been legal.  submitting fraudulent info, however, isn't.  Manufacturing after the date doesn't strike me as legal anymore, either.  Can we have a recall on individual laws now?
Link Posted: 4/21/2003 8:34:41 PM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Manufacturing an AR in California would be illegal. Even for personal use.



Not if it was done and registered before the ban.  Right?

rickinVegas, I understand what you are saying.  Hindsite is always 20/20!  If I knew about this site back then and knew about 80% lowers and 0% forgings, I would have been all over it.  Oh well.  I'll have to settle for the 2 I do have until I can buy a place out of state.



Nope, not as I figure it as the 80% lower wouldn't be fish or foul. An 80% reciever is just a piece of metal - or else you couldn't buy it through the mail without an FFL. If it were an 80.1% AR it would be a rifle and need to be registered. Taking it from 80.0% to 80.1% after the ban is illegal.

From personal experence the Califoria DOJ doesn't know what a Shade Tree or Tannery lower is. I've built a couple of each in North Carolina and attempted to bring them into the state on my Military Assault Weapon Permit. They needed a manufacture's code for Shade Tree - I explained that they made only a few hundred forgings a year and that they were finished by hand. I explained that they were functionally identical to an Armalite or Bushmaster rifle. She said OK, I make it an Armalite .

So now if I want to bring my currently un-marked lower into the state I have to mark it Armalite and put a serial number on it.
Link Posted: 4/22/2003 10:19:06 PM EDT
[#5]
How about "armalight"? Serial # OU812?
Link Posted: 4/28/2003 2:13:04 AM EDT
[#6]
From the BATFE website:


If a person is in possession of a frame or receiver for a semiautomatic assault weapon on the date of enactment, may the person acquire the rest of the parts and assemble a complete semiautomatic assault weapon?

No. It is unlawful to make such weapon after the law's effective date. [18 U. S. C. 922( v)( 1)]




How 'bout them apples?
Link Posted: 5/12/2003 12:32:58 PM EDT
[#7]
But of course if you had all those parts and receiver before the ban, it would be legal to assemble them now. If the receiver was assembled or was in a complete kit form before the ban it can be reassembled now. What seems to be a gray area, and I've seen some documentation positive AND negative from BATFE, is whether a pre-ban is always a pre-ban I. E. you purchase a stripped pre-ban receiver can you build a pre-ban from it?
Link Posted: 5/12/2003 2:23:25 PM EDT
[#8]
Jeez guys, read the thread....My original hypothetical had NOTHING to do with pre/post ban according to the federal law.  I was talking about registering "phantom" serial #'s prior to the California ban for future 80% lower build outs.  It was just a "what if" question.  I KNOW nothing can be done now.



Link Posted: 5/12/2003 3:40:34 PM EDT
[#9]
There are no laws prohibiting the manufacure of an AR receiver, nor are there any laws prohibiting the importation of AR receivers not listed on the Roberti/Roos(?) AR/AK ban.

Proof is the importation of the AK pump rifles and the FAB-10.  You could manufacture an 80% lower and build to a FAB-10 spec.

It would be illegal to build a complete AR (lower not listed on RR ban) under SB-23, but it is legal to build an AR without the pistol grip.

Of course this is only my $0.02, since the Cal DOJ makes up their own rules, preventing the importation of legal AR/AK recievers.
Link Posted: 5/12/2003 5:04:22 PM EDT
[#10]
Stupid state, every 3 months I pay my state taxes I feel violated, robbed and cheated. As if that weren't bad enough, the city of Los Angeles also wants to hit me on taxes.  I don't live in LA, and it's done nothing for me, why should I pay them?  This is the cith that has more dumbass laws in the making...
Link Posted: 5/12/2003 10:19:23 PM EDT
[#11]
Get ready for more taxes.  

Wait till they get a California border patrol.  They only stop you from leaving.  And if you want to move, you have to pay more taxes.
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