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Posted: 5/15/2005 7:06:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/15/2005 7:07:17 PM EDT by FMD]
<=== Notice the tag change. First again, but props to Photoman for the idea.

I'll start the ball rolling...

Fargin awsome class again, Sully! A little different than last time; some new stuff, and some stuff that we learned in October that didn't make it in this time, In any event, it was a pleasure shooting with y'all...even the FIBs.

Email your photos to EfEmDee <at> Gmail.com, and I'll assemble a page similar to this one.

Anything else from me will have to wait until I've had a hot shower and a good night's sleep.

-FMD

PS: 2 to 1 odds the MN boys have added "-CY6- M.O.S.S." to their tags by the end of the week.
Link Posted: 5/15/2005 7:23:54 PM EDT
A great class, especially given the number of shooters. Learned some new stuff this time around, showing why you can't just go to one class. I had a lot of fun, not a whole lot of downtime, and this weekend also proved the old "if it ain't raining/hailing, we ain't trainin'" adage. If you missed out this time, don't worry, as the range was very pleased with the class, andsome of the board members hope to have Sully come back.

BTW, I redeemed my Cap'n Bumpalot stutus during lunch.
Link Posted: 5/15/2005 7:25:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/15/2005 7:26:58 PM EDT by MisterPX]
Whoops, double post.

Once again, highly reccomended class.
Link Posted: 5/15/2005 7:33:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MisterPX:
Learned some new stuff this time around, showing why you can't just go to one class.



That's why I have taken it 3 times now
Glad to hear it all went well. This class really is a great 2 days at the range. Did you guys get to 2-step?


Now to get that handgun class going
Link Posted: 5/15/2005 8:01:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/15/2005 8:03:29 PM EDT by FMD]
<============

Originally Posted By QuinlanV:
Did you guys get to 2-step?



That's one of the reasons I snuck into class...Sully forgot to induct us into the M.O.S.S. last time.
Link Posted: 5/15/2005 9:36:50 PM EDT
It was nice meeting all you Wisconsin boyz! Very good class; I'll have pics and a review of my own up soon, and will post a link here for all to see.

Got a couple *great* pics of folks doing "the drill that shall not be named".

MOSS rules!

Link Posted: 5/16/2005 4:01:15 AM EDT
Fun, fun, fun. My head is still spinning, trying to digest all that info. Big thanks to Sully for a great class and fixing my Bushy (stupid loose gas key ). And Thank You to PM and MPX for putting this all together.

Link Posted: 5/16/2005 4:26:32 AM EDT
Once again another great DETC class. Sully thanks again for a great weekend of training. I look forward to getting some classes set up at the club for next year. To everyone thatcame out and participated in the class I also want to say thnk you again. The clubs Board was really impressed with how we conducted ourselves, one of the board members cam down durring the lunch break Sunday and said that they'd love to bring Sully back for more classes next year, but if I got anything to do with it there be one or two more before next year. So a big thanks to everyone.

I'll get my pics up in the next day or so.
Link Posted: 5/16/2005 6:06:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By FMD:
Email your photos to EfEmDee <at> Gmail.com, and I'll assemble a page similar to this one.



Please also include any comments and impressions of the class, ESPECIALLY if you haven't taken a DETC carbine class before!

Thanks!
Link Posted: 5/16/2005 6:16:00 AM EDT

Originally Posted By FMD:

Originally Posted By FMD:
Email your photos to EfEmDee <at> Gmail.com, and I'll assemble a page similar to this one.



Please also include any comments and impressions of the class, ESPECIALLY if you haven't taken a DETC carbine class before!

Thanks!



Also if you haven't even been to the Tactics and Trainingsection of AR15.com, please stop over there and hit the polls that are posted. Sully and Tony are trying to get a better understanding of why people do or don't go out and get formal firearms training. The responces they get can only help to improve the training that we can get.
Link Posted: 5/16/2005 6:34:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MisterPX:
"if it ain't raining/hailing, we ain't trainin'"



It's fun to blow bubbles in the mud in SBU prone
Link Posted: 5/16/2005 6:37:39 AM EDT

Originally Posted By QuinlanV:

Originally Posted By MisterPX:
"if it ain't raining/hailing, we ain't trainin'"



It's fun to blow bubbles in the mud in SBU prone



It wasn't that bad, a little rain here and there on day one, a little hail real quick but nothing major. It was nice enough out that FMD and I and I'm sure a couple other folks got some color. In FMD and I's case it was RED.
Link Posted: 5/16/2005 6:47:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/16/2005 6:47:47 AM EDT by FMD]

Originally Posted By QuinlanV:

Originally Posted By MisterPX:
"if it ain't raining/hailing, we ain't trainin'"



It's fun to blow bubbles in the mud in SBU prone



Fritz wasn't there, but every time his name was mentioned....

Get better Fritz!
Link Posted: 5/16/2005 1:17:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/17/2005 6:51:05 PM EDT by photoman]
Ok I'm working on photos, so if anyone want's thier face blacked out or doesn't want pics put up of them please let me know and also let FMD know.


Here is a lil gun porn while I wait for folks to let me know about posting pics of them.









































Thats what I got. Wish I had more, but as they say technology is great, till it screws up,. Damn memory card
Link Posted: 5/16/2005 5:00:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By photoman:
Ok I'm working on photos, so if anyone want's thier face blacked out or doesn't want pics put up of them please let me know and also let FMD know.


Here is a lil gun porn while I wait for folks to let me know about posting pics of them.

images.snapfish.com/34394%3B2%3B23232%7Ffp58%3Dot%3E232%3C%3D556%­3D397%3DXROQDF%3E232386834%3C%3B98ot1lsi

images.snapfish.com/34394%3B2%3B23232%7Ffp64%3Dot%3E232%3C%3D556%­3D397%3DXROQDF%3E232386834%3C%3B9%3Aot1lsi



A lot of $ sitting in that rack

Ooooooooohhh, I see a FAL
Link Posted: 5/16/2005 5:28:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/16/2005 5:44:19 PM EDT by Shooter521]
Here's some of the pics my wife took:

The RCLRC range, during the best weather we had all weekend (early on day 1 ):


Our fearless leader:


The obligatory "gun prOn":


Students work the infamous "18", aka "the Devil's Drill":






Malfunction clearance:


Learning how to stop from a sprint and get into a stable shooting platform:




The drill that shall not be named:


BLASTOFF!


That had Sully jumping for joy!


Preparing to shoot the final exam:


Git 'r Done!


Me with my DETC qualification target (arrows point to hits):


The assembled class:


Link Posted: 5/16/2005 7:03:03 PM EDT
tag for pics
Link Posted: 5/16/2005 7:10:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/16/2005 7:15:29 PM EDT by photoman]

Originally Posted By QuinlanV:

Originally Posted By photoman:
Ok I'm working on photos, so if anyone want's thier face blacked out or doesn't want pics put up of them please let me know and also let FMD know.


Here is a lil gun porn while I wait for folks to let me know about posting pics of them.

images.snapfish.com/34394%3B2%3B23232%7Ffp58%3Dot%3E232%3C%3D556%­3D397%3DXROQDF%3E232386834%3C%3B98ot1lsi

images.snapfish.com/34394%3B2%3B23232%7Ffp64%3Dot%3E232%3C%3D556%­3D397%3DXROQDF%3E232386834%3C%3B9%3Aot1lsi



A lot of $ sitting in that rack

Ooooooooohhh, I see a FAL



Not just a FAL but a FAL with an ACOG

Oh and one other thing if you look at the class pic there is one youngster in the group. He's 14. Durring lunch on day two a couple folks wanted to go practice some of the stuff we had learned and he went out there durring lunch and ran the meltdown, not once, but twice.
Link Posted: 5/16/2005 7:38:03 PM EDT
OK first off keep a sense of humor,,,I gotta get this off my chest cause I haven't seen a sh!t detail since I was in the Army,twenty some odd years ago.When i saw some of the range members on thier hands and knees,on that breaker rock,picking up brass I about had a flashback.
No disrespect to the crew,but whoever is in charge of that facility needs to be usurped.THAT PLACE IS A GEM!!!I thought my place was rough,I chalked the rough terrain up to good training,and it was way better than the plow furrows at tattoo's.


Six or so loads of packed,crushed limestone would do alot to improve the 25 M range.The breaker rock is a ideal base.Brass could be mostly raked up instead of hand picked.The road condition is a joke,no access to vehicles SUCKS.When I got my truck to load out I remembered I had an airsplint in my kit,could have come in handy.The porta pots,,,F-in third world,I feel bad for the women training that weekend,,,too many people walking around and not many bushes to hide behind.

Micaluk compensators and low berms make for good training.The sound of bullets whizzing around,broken up concrete and the block bunker gave the range a Lebanese kind of flava,Miculuks providing the arty simulations.


The range we shot 1-200 M was really nice,I could hang out there all day.As popular as the RCLRC sounds,it baffles me as to why that place isn't looking cherry and hosting some kind of class every weekend.

I would train there again but next time I will be better prepared and would gladly pitch in an extra five bucks for a fresh porta-pot.

...more later with pics coming

bulletcatchR
Link Posted: 5/16/2005 7:51:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/16/2005 7:53:28 PM EDT by photoman]
BC I so know what you mean not just about the road, but about the 25meter range. myself and kaboom who was on of the ROs there keep pushing to be able to drop some new stone and we want to do pretty much exactly what you said. As to the road, we wanted to redo that too, but there has been a hold put on a lot of things because of the situation with Wisconsin Electric. Eventually I guess thats going to be new rail line when/if they ever start to build the new coal plants there. After that than the old range road is going to be brought back into service. from what I hear it's a really nice road. And i oh so hear yabout the port o johns man. If I can make the next board meeting i'll mention it to a couple folks.

As to why they are not hosting aclass every other weekend, well I don't really know. i think they need to do more of that as well. We just got some new blood on the board though this past year so we'll see what happens.
Link Posted: 5/16/2005 7:59:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/16/2005 8:01:35 PM EDT by FMD]

Originally Posted By FMD:
2 to 1 odds the MN boys have added "-CY6- M.O.S.S." to their tags by the end of the week.





ETA: You guys are such good sports!
Link Posted: 5/16/2005 8:04:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FMD:

Originally Posted By FMD:
2 to 1 odds the MN boys have added "-CY6- M.O.S.S." to their tags by the end of the week.


emsiandd.com/arfcom/q.jpg


ETA: You guys are such good sports!



Had to do it
Link Posted: 5/16/2005 8:13:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/16/2005 8:23:01 PM EDT by death451]
5 gun champ will never change his tag, nor does he know how, so there. good pics by the way. sorry I missed it had alot of fun last time.



CY6 or I can if you would like that sort of thing.(you were contemplateing it homos)J/K bad sense of humor I know,forgive me.


catch you on the flipside my brothers from another mother.

Death451- 5 gun champ out my bitches.
Link Posted: 5/16/2005 8:14:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By death451:
5 gun champ will never change his tag, nor does he know how, so there. good pics by the way.



Hey you gunna come out for the pistol class?
Link Posted: 5/16/2005 8:15:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By death451:
5 gun champ will never change his tag, nor does he know how, so there. good pics by the way.




OMG I just realised i'm in one of those pics!!! Damn , i prefer to be behind the camera not in front, hell I'm suprised thelens didn't crackl
Link Posted: 5/16/2005 8:26:34 PM EDT
I would love to come out to hold some of your hands and wipe your noses J/K.

yes I would love too I am looking at my calander. Q and I most likely will have to make a road trip.
Link Posted: 5/16/2005 8:32:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By death451:
I would love to come out to hold some of your hands and wipe your noses J/K.

yes I would love too I am looking at my calander. Q and I most likely will have to make a road trip.



Cool, I look forward to seeing ya again.

I have to crash out, got to actually work train a new guy tomarrow. I got him for the rest of the week too so I probably won't be on much durring the day. I'll check in in the afternoon though. Good night all.
Link Posted: 5/16/2005 8:33:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By death451:
I would love to come out to hold some of your hands and wipe your noses J/K.

yes I would love too I am looking at my calander. Q and I most likely will have to make a road trip.



Yeah, and I will be happy to cover you while you get that designer combat Tupperware up and running
Link Posted: 5/16/2005 8:39:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/16/2005 8:40:46 PM EDT by death451]
Well thats what friends are for Cmy6 while I fix my HK USP. why do you think I am so good at malfunction drills.
Link Posted: 5/16/2005 8:47:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By death451:
Well thats what friends are for Cmy6 while I fix my HK USP. why do you think I am so good at malfunction drills.



I'm going to need a hi-cap pistol if you keep it up
Link Posted: 5/17/2005 3:38:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/17/2005 3:39:35 AM EDT by FMD]
Easy you two. I ran AnnieO's USP this class (I know, sacrilege!) 'cause the meltdown's hard enough without the 5 mag changes required with the 1911.

The combat tupperware backed by 95 year-old steel (or vice-versa) isn't a bad system.



ETA: Say it aint so, Q!
Link Posted: 5/17/2005 6:49:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/17/2005 6:58:28 AM EDT by BulletcatchR]

100M line


Sully calling the shots


Voted "best dressed",Crye multicam goodnesssssssss.


FMD at the 200M line
Link Posted: 5/17/2005 7:01:00 AM EDT
Man between all of use we ended up with a good number and variety of pics
Link Posted: 5/17/2005 7:05:18 AM EDT
Just a short note to say what a great class. Thanks to Sully for sharing his expertise and to photoman and mister px for making this class happen. sst
Link Posted: 5/17/2005 7:08:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/17/2005 4:48:16 PM EDT by BulletcatchR]

Shooting while advancing


Sully lining us up


Sidestepping drills across the line


Working on this range will challenge your footwork.
Link Posted: 5/17/2005 7:18:37 AM EDT

nuff said about that



A little "wire work".


FMD charging the BG


Closing 'ceremonies'.


Another group shot.

I hardly had enough time to hang around and meet people.I hope some of you can make it up to a "no fun" shoot sometime.


bulletcatchR
Link Posted: 5/17/2005 7:47:34 AM EDT
Great pics guys!
Welcome to M.O.S.S.

I must say... Multicam is just so BADASS!!
Link Posted: 5/17/2005 7:52:52 AM EDT
I just wanted to stop by and say how great the class was. It was an excellent beginner/intermediate class with alot of info and then some.

Sully was an excellent instructor. He was patient with the noobs but still kept a very good pace with little down time. Shooting at 300m and hitting the target was an eye-opener.

My wife and I enjoyed the class immensely. We came home tired but with alot of knowledge.

Kudos to the Arfcom guys for setting this up with Sully! Thanks guys!

Lou & Lain
Link Posted: 5/17/2005 11:17:09 AM EDT
A big thank you to MisterPX and Photoman for setting this upat their home range.

Can't wait for the handgun course in July!
Link Posted: 5/17/2005 11:21:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Stopper:
A big thank you to MisterPX and Photoman for setting this upat their home range.

Can't wait for the handgun course in July!



Hey not a problem glad everyone came out and had a good time.
Link Posted: 5/17/2005 12:50:15 PM EDT
My designer combat tupperware works just fine! Perhaps it is operator error?

Originally Posted By QuinlanV:

Originally Posted By death451:
I would love to come out to hold some of your hands and wipe your noses J/K.

yes I would love too I am looking at my calander. Q and I most likely will have to make a road trip.



Yeah, and I will be happy to cover you while you get that designer combat Tupperware up and running

Link Posted: 5/17/2005 5:22:06 PM EDT
I hear that still take the MP5 for close in.
Link Posted: 5/17/2005 5:41:20 PM EDT
RCLRC is a guest of the Military and the state of Wisconsin for the last five years W.E. has been trying to bye the land and put up two new power plants,Im glad to say that this will not happen as far as the road goes RCLRC has put thousands of $ and time into a road that is not ours the road belongs to W.E.
W.E. will be putting in a new road in the future we hope as far as the range being cherry us as a club can only do so much as it is property of the Goverment Rick Z AKA KABOOM and I took our week end to act as R.O.s so the board could get a feel for this class I was one of the board members the Mark came to about this months back and I told him that I would support and help him with it I met Sully and was very pleased with the way he did his class and shared that with my fellow board members He is welcome back to RCLRC mabet next time I will take the class (Not to Much Work for this x 11B) lol

Mark Phillips
RCLRC Board Member
NRA Instructor
NRA R.O.
NFA Chair RCLRC
Pistol Asst RCLRC
Safety Commitee RCLRC

Please excuse any spelling I took my meds early tonight
Link Posted: 5/17/2005 6:26:29 PM EDT
On some of the pictures you have 100 meter and 200 meter the range is in yards
Link Posted: 5/17/2005 9:53:29 PM EDT
My course review and picture page are up:
mywebpages.comcast.net/shooter2_indy/detc_carbine.html

Link Posted: 5/17/2005 11:52:01 PM EDT
Mark,
Thanks for your comments.Even more thanks for supporting Photoman,and those pushing training.
I'll say it again I would come back again,low berms,road or no road.
I don't have any credentials but I would like to get some someday.When I talk about making the place 'cherry' is less filling potholes and more utilizing the space to train and compete as often as possible.
I met Kaboom he's a nice guy I didn't have a chance to talk with you but I think I can remember who you are.Thanks for taking your time to R.O.

bulletcatchR

Link Posted: 5/18/2005 3:47:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/18/2005 4:46:57 AM EDT by FMD]

Originally Posted By Shooter521:
My course review and picture page are up:
mywebpages.comcast.net/shooter2_indy/detc_carbine.html


Excellent review, Shooter!

Edit: TWO IMs on the way...
Link Posted: 5/18/2005 4:17:30 AM EDT
You guys are welcome back anytime great people
Link Posted: 5/18/2005 6:08:17 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Shooter521:
My course review and picture page are up:
mywebpages.comcast.net/shooter2_indy/detc_carbine.html




Nice job!
I also wanted to mention that some of what you listed as things you would have liked covered (non-standard response, etc) are sometimes covered in this class. In my experience Sully modifies the curriculum slightly to best suit the pace and experience of the students, as well as the facility.
I have taken this class 3 times now and it has been slightly different each time. The meat and potatoes stuff remains the same, but the garnish changes
I think it would be safe to assume that most anything left out will be covered in Carbine 3.
With the 2 day Handgun class coming up, a 2 day combined advanced Carbine/ Handgun would be a cool class for the future in WI
Link Posted: 5/18/2005 6:16:27 AM EDT

Originally Posted By QuinlanV:

Originally Posted By Shooter521:
My course review and picture page are up:
mywebpages.comcast.net/shooter2_indy/detc_carbine.html




Nice job!
I also wanted to mention that some of what you listed as things you would have liked covered (non-standard response, etc) are sometimes covered in this class. In my experience Sully modifies the curriculum slightly to best suit the pace and experience of the students, as well as the facility.
I have taken this class 3 times now and it has been slightly different each time. The meat and potatoes stuff remains the same, but the garnish changes
I think it would be safe to assume that most anything left out will be covered in Carbine 3.
With the 2 day Handgun class coming up, a 2 day combined advanced Carbine/ Handgun would be a cool class for the future in WI



Stop reading my mind!

Link Posted: 5/18/2005 7:49:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/18/2005 7:49:46 AM EDT by FMD]

Originally Posted By QuinlanV:
...I also wanted to mention that some of what you listed as things you would have liked covered (non-standard response, etc) are sometimes covered in this class...



Dutifly noted in the aforementioned IM's to shooter.

There were a lot of things covered in October that I would have liked to see at this class, but my guess is that we progressed as fast as the slowest of us could handle (which was probably me ).

The LSHD,
-FMD
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