December PR TCGC and an AK

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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - December PR TCGC and an AK

Posted: 11/28/2010 9:50:54 PM EDT

Ever since I acquired (through a trade) my AK, I've often thought of using it in PR. I've never had ammo for it to do so (non-metallic) but recently bought some Yugo so now are thinking of using it in the night match in December....with irons

Any of you ever run an AK during the Dec. PR match?

Posted: 11/28/2010 10:24:15 PM EDT

[#1]

I did it with my HK91, just get a good light.

Posted: 11/29/2010 6:05:50 PM EDT

[#2]

The night match is probably the best $15.00 you will ever spend if you think your gear is great night time shooting gear... Every one of the night matches teaches me more than a whole day in some shooting class done during daylight.

Posted: 12/1/2010 6:31:49 AM EDT

[#3]

Yes I use an AK for most PR matches, including last years night match. There are a few others who do as well.

You may be able to get away with just irons depending on your light placement. You may get enough spill onto the sights to be able to line them up.

One of the guys who runs an AK has tritium inserts on his irons but I think he is using an optic this year.

The AK can hold its own at PR, I have gotten as high as 15th place with mine.

Posted: 12/7/2010 2:09:06 PM EDT

[#4]

I'll have to figure a way to attach a light then. Anyone else going?

Posted: 12/7/2010 3:00:21 PM EDT

[#5]

AR15's are better at night becaus they have better flash hiders and the bolt system.

Posted: 12/7/2010 5:29:54 PM EDT

[#6]

I'm going as a couple of the other "regulars" that shoot with us. It is a really popular match, and REALLY worth shooting just for the education. I always learn more than I expected.

The only think I can think of that would make it more fun would be if we were allowed to use tracers...Zowie...at a night match!!

Posted: 12/7/2010 6:01:47 PM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:
I'll have to figure a way to attach a light then. Anyone else going?

I've heard good things about this: http://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=241

Posted: 12/7/2010 10:55:34 PM EDT

[#8]

I have shot this match twice and find it a little scary. Won't do it again........

Posted: 12/8/2010 7:30:03 AM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I'll have to figure a way to attach a light then. Anyone else going?

I've heard good things about this: http://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=241

I like it. A rail on an AK.... good thing it's going to be dark out so no AK fans will see me. Then again I don't think I could get it delivered by Saturday.

Posted: 12/8/2010 8:31:37 AM EDT

[#10]

didn't just duct tape a maglite to his AK one year?

Posted: 12/8/2010 9:08:24 AM EDT

[#11]

I tired duct tape over zip ties attaching a cheapy LED light to an AR in '06 with very shitty results.... light went out and fell off.

Posted: 12/8/2010 10:28:16 AM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:
AR15's are better at night becaus they have better flash hiders and the bolt system.

mmmmkay?

I'll have to figure a way to attach a light then. Anyone else going?

Just screw a peice of rail onto your handguards. If you have a 1" light I have a mount you can use (provided you have a rail)

Posted: 12/8/2010 10:30:58 AM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:
I have shot this match twice and find it a little scary. Won't do it again........

really? I was impressed by the safety last year. What was scary?

Posted: 12/8/2010 11:39:45 AM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I have shot this match twice and find it a little scary. Won't do it again........

really? .... What was scary?

the dark

Posted: 12/8/2010 1:29:44 PM EDT

[#15]

Loaded weapons in the dark being fired...you aren't in total control of everything going on, and don't know how safe everyone else is even if you do trust the RO's. I can see where someone might be frightened of that.

Now try to imagine our troops going through all that when they KNOW that some of the shooting is being directed at them by someone they can't see who really and truly wants to kill them...THAT is some scary stuff. As a society, we really do owe them alot more than they get. It pisses me off that some of them have to fight for us over there, then come back here and fight with the VA to get their benefits.

My way of thinking is that there should be so many benefits that they would be almost embarrassed to accept it all, they sure wouldn't have to fight to get benefits. If only I were king.

Posted: 12/8/2010 4:30:30 PM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:
I tired duct tape over zip ties attaching a cheapy LED light to an AR in '06 with very shitty results.... light went out and fell off.

Are you serious?

I've used duct tape over masking tape (to protect the finish) on a FAL and it was steady as steel.

Posted: 12/8/2010 8:13:38 PM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:
I have shot this match twice and find it a little scary. Won't do it again........

Do it. I would, but I have been getting seizures.

Posted: 12/9/2010 7:53:27 AM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I tired duct tape over zip ties attaching a cheapy LED light to an AR in '06 with very shitty results.... light went out and fell off.

Are you serious?

I've used duct tape over masking tape (to protect the finish) on a FAL and it was steady as steel.

Yeah, serious. I think the problem was the shape of the light itself. It wasn't a weapon light, just a hand held LED light and was rounded. The rifle heated up and the tape got gooey plus I was pushing the light switch on, off and it just went to hell. After that Ilike9's stood behind me with his light and illuminated the targets. If I remember right, I finished bottom 10 that year.

Posted: 12/9/2010 8:06:16 AM EDT

[#19]

Yes, the dark is scary.........but if I have my woobie I'm okay.
Scary is seeing people who can't load or unload without the aid of a light, or even better confirm if the safety is on or off without using a light to look. Seeing someone use a weapon mounted light to light-up a range bag so their buddy could dig through it. Suddenly finding yourself awash in white light and discovering that light is attached to a rifle.

Posted: 12/9/2010 11:07:34 AM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:
Yes, the dark is scary.........but if I have my woobie I'm okay.
Scary is seeing people who can't load or unload without the aid of a light, or even better confirm if the safety is on or off without using a light to look. Seeing someone use a weapon mounted light to light-up a range bag so their buddy could dig through it. Suddenly finding yourself awash in white light and discovering that light is attached to a rifle.

I hear you. I remember once laughing at how long it took a guy to shoot his stage, he took offense and starting shooting at my feet yelling for me to dance (sorry again, Tracker). another time we sent the tyro down range to fix the target, all awhile shooting tracers where we thought the broke target was so he could zero in and find it... then there was the time when stage 1 started shooting at stage 2 who then returned fire and the ensuing firefight lasted 3 hours until we both ran out of ammo. Good thing is the hand grenades they pass out are willie-pete's so they light up real nice in the dark.

Then again I'm goofing and it could be all weapons are chamber flagged and cased unless at the fire line or at the 'far-from-others-pointing-into-sand-berm' safety table so don't know what you're talking about....

BTW, I found an AK rail in my box-o-parts and have mounted a light. I now have to sight it in with the Yugo ammo.... you can sight in AK's, right??

Posted: 12/9/2010 1:31:55 PM EDT

[#21]

AKs dont site in. they dont have any kind of nobs to adjust. they are done at the factory and locked in.

Posted: 12/9/2010 5:12:31 PM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:
AKs dont site in. they dont have any kind of nobs to adjust. they are done at the factory and locked in.

Posted: 12/9/2010 7:43:00 PM EDT

[#23]

I hear you. I remember once laughing at how long it took a guy to shoot his stage, he took offense and starting shooting at my feet yelling for me to dance (sorry again, Tracker). another time we sent the tyro down range to fix the target, all awhile shooting tracers where we thought the broke target was so he could zero in and find it... then there was the time when stage 1 started shooting at stage 2 who then returned fire and the ensuing firefight lasted 3 hours until we both ran out of ammo. Good thing is the hand grenades they pass out are willie-pete's so they light up real nice in the dark.

Then again I'm goofing and it could be all weapons are chamber flagged and cased unless at the fire line or at the 'far-from-others-pointing-into-sand-berm' safety table so don't know what you're talking about....

I'll give you that the Night Matches I attended were pre-case/bag rule, so that would address one of the issues. I hope ya'all have a fun and safe time..........

Posted: 12/9/2010 8:05:13 PM EDT

[#24]

I remember standing there on the line... everyone's weapon is supposed to be cased w/ chamber flag.

Kind of un-nerving to hear a bolt go foward from someone standing BEHIND the line in the dark.

Posted: 12/9/2010 8:34:36 PM EDT

[#25]

By the way, I found a rifle magazine after the clean up following Iain's last close quarters rifle match about a month ago. It is easy to ID, so if it is yours, email me, and I'll get it back to you.

Posted: 12/10/2010 7:09:55 AM EDT

[#26]

Quoted:
By the way, I found a rifle magazine after the clean up following Iain's last close quarters rifle match about a month ago. It is easy to ID, so if it is yours, email me, and I'll get it back to you.

Is it an AK mag?

Posted: 12/10/2010 7:25:23 AM EDT

[#27]

No, not an AK mag. However if I continue to say what it isn't, eventually, someone will figure out what it is and claim it whether it is theirs or not.

So, if you think the mag is yours, please send a PM or email letting me know what you lost. If you are the person who lost it, I'll get it back to you..

By the way, the mag has some really distinctive characteristics. Owner will easily be able to describe it.

Posted: 12/10/2010 3:12:03 PM EDT

[#28]

Quoted:

Quoted:
AKs dont site in. they dont have any kind of nobs to adjust. they are done at the factory and locked in.

yer chain saw is running backwards ... just sayin

Posted: 12/11/2010 6:33:09 AM EDT

[#29]

Odd, if AK's don't sight in, then what is the AK front sight adjustment tool for?

Posted: 12/11/2010 8:30:44 AM EDT

[#30]

Quoted:
Odd, if AK's don't sight in, then what is the AK front sight adjustment tool for?

and the rear 100 meter incremental ramped sight...

anyway, wear your rain gear. we're going to get wet tonight!

Posted: 12/11/2010 11:17:24 AM EDT

[#31]

C'mon..don't worry about the rain. It will stop raining............in April or May.
Maybe the rain will keep the fair weather shooters at home. That way, the rest of us can shoot with less waiting time between stages, help pick up, and still be home early.

Would it be worth it for those of us who wish to participate to do sort of a Christmas drawing? All those wanting to participate, bring something to throw into the gift pile. Names of those giving get put into a hat, and are drawn to see who picks from the pile in which order...Any interest?

Posted: 12/11/2010 10:30:07 PM EDT

[#32]

Snapshots:

Briefing:

Stage 3:

Bacon stage:

Bowling Pins:

Engaging targets around headlights is not easy:

ET returned tonight but he looked upset:

So it was simulated truck headlights:

Loading out:

Posted: 12/13/2010 5:02:32 PM EDT

[#33]

worst pics ever. I got sick about half way through

Posted: 12/13/2010 5:29:55 PM EDT

[#34]

It was a little dark, a bit windy and more than a bit wet. Had a great time, wish they kept scoring stage 3 though as I smoked it.

Hopefully the scores will get emailed soon. I'm wondering just how I compared with everybody else.

Posted: 12/13/2010 8:08:48 PM EDT

[#35]

I am looking forward to the scores too. I had heard that they might throw out the bowling pin stage too. When my squad was shooting it, the wind would sometimes take down as many targets as the shooter. They really tried hard to make it as fair as they could, but the wind was just too hard to contend with.

Most of the shooters were really understanding, and accepted that the RO's were doing the best job possible while mother nature tried her darndest to mess things up. Few of the shooters were bitchy, and realized that everyone was trying to keep the match fun, safe, and interesting.

I'm just glad that the rain didn't really kick in until I was on the last stage.

I think the match organizers and RO's did a fantastic job. Considering the inclement weather, the way the match turned out was really excellent.

Posted: 12/14/2010 7:45:25 AM EDT

[#36]

stage one had 9 shooting positions engaging one target at each (from right to left) targets were white steel plates. initially they gave no information on how many targets there were or where they were. a guy in my squad gets up there and starts engaging targets. he pulls up to the 3rd position and sees something white and shoots it..... the brass bucket sitting at the end of the firing line

Posted: 12/14/2010 8:45:18 AM EDT

[#37]

I can understand him doing that. They shouldn't have put a white thing out there in the dark with all the white targets. For all he knew it was a valid target, or some kind of a deception to get people to overlook an obvious target...Was it full of brass and did brass go flying all over the place?

Posted: 12/14/2010 9:35:22 AM EDT

[#38]

Quoted:
stage one had 9 shooting positions engaging one target at each (from right to left) targets were white steel plates. initially they gave no information on how many targets there were or where they were. a guy in my squad gets up there and starts engaging targets. he pulls up to the 3rd position and sees something white and shoots it..... the brass bucket sitting at the end of the firing line

I had to hit the 2nd target 3times before the RO counted it as a hit and I wasn't the only one.

Posted: 12/14/2010 2:43:40 PM EDT

[#39]

Quoted:

Quoted:
stage one had 9 shooting positions engaging one target at each (from right to left) targets were white steel plates. initially they gave no information on how many targets there were or where they were. a guy in my squad gets up there and starts engaging targets. he pulls up to the 3rd position and sees something white and shoots it..... the brass bucket sitting at the end of the firing line

I had to hit the 2nd target 3times before the RO counted it as a hit and I wasn't the only one.

I've only been to a few PRs but I've seen more than one occasion where a hit wasnt called. It's not always easy to call from the ROs perspective but it gets frustrating when you know you nailed a target.

Posted: 12/14/2010 5:52:32 PM EDT

[#40]

Having been the RO trying to call the hits, and the shooter whose hit wasn't called, I agree that it is frustrating. The equipment that doesn't require human interaction like the Larue targets, or flash targets aren't always possible to set up because of the pit. It would be really neat if the PR group had enough money to buy a few dozen Larue's, but alas we don't.

At some matches we have asked to have more than one person call hits on targets to help out the RO. Our thinking was that if anyone saw the hit, it would be called and make things go more smoothly. We had difficulty getting competitors to volunteer to assist on a regular enough basis to make it the same for all competitors. Some squads would always have 2-3 people calling hits, where other squads would only have one, because all the rest of the squad was visiting, or doing something else. It is oftem frustrating for the RO's too.

Maybe someone will leave the PR group a fortune in their will and we can buy 50 Laurue targets...

Posted: 12/15/2010 9:52:19 AM EDT

[#41]

Quoted:
I can understand him doing that. They shouldn't have put a white thing out there in the dark with all the white targets. For all he knew it was a valid target, or some kind of a deception to get people to overlook an obvious target...Was it full of brass and did brass go flying all over the place?

I guarantee if they had not moved that bucket, half of everyone would have lit it up. We were the 1st squad on that stage, he was the 2nd shooter (or 3rd) and shot it. They were being so secretive about that stage and gave no indication how many or where the targets were so yes, it is VERY understandable him shooting it. So much so the RO just had him stop for a second, tell him it wasn't a target and let him finish the stage without penalty (apart for time added to advise the no-shoot).

No brass in it, btw.

Posted: 12/15/2010 4:22:38 PM EDT

[#42]

Truly funny. One of the people on my squad said that in real life, one of the first things they would have done on the next stage with the headlights would be to take out the headlights first, then start looking for targets.

Posted: 12/16/2010 7:39:22 AM EDT

[#43]

Quoted:
Truly funny. One of the people on my squad said that in real life, one of the first things they would have done on the next stage with the headlights would be to take out the headlights first, then start looking for targets.

I said the same thing, except I would have used a grenade.

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