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Link Posted: 3/13/2020 8:39:32 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By protus:
Not o-town.
But volusia/lake
Basic shit is flying off shelfs.
Rations Tp,tissue etc at dollar generals,publix, and im sure wally mart.
4 days ago..all sanitizers gone.
Meds vitamins picked through and low stock.
Plenty of beer booze though lol.
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@protus

Can I send you an IM?
Link Posted: 3/13/2020 9:39:49 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Nate19:

@protus

Can I send you an IM?
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You sending nudes? Lol.



Send one if ya want.
Link Posted: 3/13/2020 2:35:35 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/13/2020 3:44:25 PM EDT
I was told this morning  the person in Hillsborough County, a 20 year old woman who traveled overseas and tested positive lives in Seffner.
Link Posted: 3/14/2020 12:58:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/14/2020 8:50:16 AM EDT by wmagrush]
Observation today. Went into a Lowe’s for painting supplies. Wandered over to the ‘Cleaning’ aisle just for a look. Anything antibacterial was sold out. Over by the dishwasher and washing machine section of the store, among the liquid detergents, there were shelves full of Lysol and Mr Clean with dust on the cans and bottles. Guess the news media sheeple can’t think outside the box.

Also read that the largest international event in the state, Sun-n-Fun air show in Polk County, is still a go starting March 31. The first hardcore campers are probably already there.

Update on Sun-n-Fun: Posponed until May 5th thru May 10th due to virus.
Link Posted: 3/14/2020 9:37:54 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/14/2020 8:55:54 PM EDT
Publix in Wesley Chapel now closing at 8pm nightly to allow them to clean and restock. Parking lot was a ghost town. One couple left nonchalantly after reading the sign, another guy driving by stopped me to ask WTF and appeared to share my quiet unease about it when he took off. Think I might take a cruise past Wally world next door to assess as well.
Link Posted: 3/14/2020 10:16:19 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/14/2020 10:39:46 PM EDT
In volusia...check sheriff chiwood personal page.
Seems we are infested
Link Posted: 3/15/2020 12:34:11 AM EDT
Yeah, i saw a second picture of another store and figured it must've been a company thing. Was more interested in the public (lack of) reaction.

Walmart is cleaned out of bleach but has plenty of 10% sodium hypochlorite pool chlorinating liquid on a pallet a few feet away. Wonder when I'll start seeing dihydrogen monoxide next to the empty water shelves too
Link Posted: 3/15/2020 6:55:14 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/15/2020 6:56:25 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/15/2020 11:38:35 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Miami_JBT:
FL Laws

Article IV, Section 1(a) of the Florida Constitution permits the Governor to issue an Executive Order to declare a State of Emergency in times of a natural disaster, allowing him to enact provisions of the State's Emergency Management Plan.

In part, the Executive Order states:

Section 2. I designate the Director of the Division of Emergency Management as the State Coordinating Officer for the duration of this emergency and direct him to execute the State's Comprehensive Emergency Management Plan and other response, recover, and mitigation plans necessary to cope with the emergency. Pursuant to section 252.36(1)(a), Florida Statutes, I delegate to the State Coordinating Officer the authority to exercise those powers delineated in sections 252.36(5)-(10), Florida Statutes, which he shall exercise as needed to meet this emergency, subject to the limitations of section 252.33, Florida Statutes.

But those powers have certain limitations with regards to firearms.

FS 252.36 Emergency Management Powers of the Governor

(5)(h): Suspend or limit the sale, dispensing, or transportation of alcoholic beverages, firearms, explosives, and combustibles. However, nothing contained in ss. 252.31-252.90 shall be construed to authorize the seizure, taking, or confiscation of firearms that are lawfully possessed, unless a person is engaged in the commission of a criminal act.

FS 870.043 Declaration of emergency

Whenever the sheriff or designated city official determines that there has been an act of violence or a flagrant and substantial defiance of, or resistance to, a lawful exercise of public authority and that, on account thereof, there is reason to believe that there exists a clear and present danger of a riot or other general public disorder, widespread disobedience of the law, and substantial injury to persons or to property, all of which constitute an imminent threat to public peace or order and to the general welfare of the jurisdiction affected or a part or parts thereof, he or she may declare that a state of emergency exists within that jurisdiction or any part or parts thereof.

FS 870.044 Automatic Emergency Measures

(1): 870.044 Whenever the public official declares that a state of emergency exists, pursuant to s. 870.043, the following acts shall be prohibited during the period of said emergency throughout the jurisdiction: (1) The sale of, or offer to sell, with or without consideration, any ammunition or gun or other firearm of any size or description. (2) The intentional display, after the emergency is declared, by or in any store or shop of any ammunition or gun or other firearm of any size or description. (3) The intentional possession in a public place of a firearm by any person, except a duly authorized law enforcement official or person in military service acting in the official performance of her or his duty.

Additionally, FL Law states the following.

FS 790.01 Unlicensed carrying of concealed weapons or concealed firearms.

(a) A person who carries a concealed weapon, or a person who may lawfully possess a firearm and who carries a concealed firearm, on or about his or her person while in the act of evacuating during a mandatory evacuation order issued during a state of emergency declared by the Governor pursuant to chapter 252 or declared by a local authority pursuant to chapter 870. As used in this subsection, the term "in the act of evacuating" means the immediate and urgent movement of a person away from the evacuation zone within 48 hours after a mandatory evacuation is ordered. The 48 hours may be extended by an order issued by the Governor.

F.S. 381.00315 Public health advisories; public health emergencies; isolation and quarantines.

(c) “Public health emergency” means any occurrence, or threat thereof, whether natural or manmade, which results or may result in substantial injury or harm to the public health from infectious disease, chemical agents, nuclear agents, biological toxins, or situations involving mass casualties or natural disasters. Before declaring a public health emergency, the State Health Officer shall, to the extent possible, consult with the Governor and shall notify the Chief of Domestic Security. The declaration of a public health emergency shall continue until the State Health Officer finds that the threat or danger has been dealt with to the extent that the emergency conditions no longer exist and he or she terminates the declaration. However, a declaration of a public health emergency may not continue for longer than 60 days unless the Governor concurs in the renewal of the declaration. The State Health Officer, upon declaration of a public health emergency, may take actions that are necessary to protect the public health. Such actions include, but are not limited to:
1. Directing manufacturers of prescription drugs or over-the-counter drugs who are permitted under chapter 499 and wholesalers of prescription drugs located in this state who are permitted under chapter 499 to give priority to the shipping of specified drugs to pharmacies and health care providers within geographic areas that have been identified by the State Health Officer. The State Health Officer must identify the drugs to be shipped. Manufacturers and wholesalers located in the state must respond to the State Health Officer’s priority shipping directive before shipping the specified drugs.
2. Notwithstanding chapters 465 and 499 and rules adopted thereunder, directing pharmacists employed by the department to compound bulk prescription drugs and provide these bulk prescription drugs to physicians and nurses of county health departments or any qualified person authorized by the State Health Officer for administration to persons as part of a prophylactic or treatment regimen.
3. Notwithstanding s. 456.036, temporarily reactivating the inactive license of the following health care practitioners, when such practitioners are needed to respond to the public health emergency: physicians licensed under chapter 458 or chapter 459; physician assistants licensed under chapter 458 or chapter 459; licensed practical nurses, registered nurses, and advanced practice registered nurses licensed under part I of chapter 464; respiratory therapists licensed under part V of chapter 468; and emergency medical technicians and paramedics certified under part III of chapter 401. Only those health care practitioners specified in this paragraph who possess an unencumbered inactive license and who request that such license be reactivated are eligible for reactivation. An inactive license that is reactivated under this paragraph shall return to inactive status when the public health emergency ends or before the end of the public health emergency if the State Health Officer determines that the health care practitioner is no longer needed to provide services during the public health emergency. Such licenses may only be reactivated for a period not to exceed 90 days without meeting the requirements of s. 456.036 or chapter 401, as applicable.
4. Ordering an individual to be examined, tested, vaccinated, treated, isolated, or quarantined for communicable diseases that have significant morbidity or mortality and present a severe danger to public health. Individuals who are unable or unwilling to be examined, tested, vaccinated, or treated for reasons of health, religion, or conscience may be subjected to isolation or quarantine.
a. Examination, testing, vaccination, or treatment may be performed by any qualified person authorized by the State Health Officer.
b. If the individual poses a danger to the public health, the State Health Officer may subject the individual to isolation or quarantine. If there is no practical method to isolate or quarantine the individual, the State Health Officer may use any means necessary to vaccinate or treat the individual.
Any order of the State Health Officer given to effectuate this paragraph shall be immediately enforceable by a law enforcement officer under s. 381.0012.

(d) “Quarantine” means the separation of an individual reasonably believed to have been exposed to a communicable disease, but who is not yet ill, from individuals who have not been so exposed, to prevent the possible spread of the disease.
(2) Individuals who assist the State Health Officer at his or her request on a volunteer basis during a public health emergency are entitled to the benefits specified in s. 110.504(2), (3), (4), and (5).
(3) To facilitate effective emergency management, when the United States Department of Health and Human Services contracts for the manufacture and delivery of licensable products in response to a public health emergency and the terms of those contracts are made available to the states, the department shall accept funds provided by counties, municipalities, and other entities designated in the state emergency management plan required under s. 252.35(2)(a) for the purpose of participation in those contracts. The department shall deposit those funds in the Grants and Donations Trust Fund and expend those funds on behalf of the donor county, municipality, or other entity for the purchase of the licensable products made available under the contract.
(4) The department has the duty and the authority to declare, enforce, modify, and abolish the isolation and quarantine of persons, animals, and premises as the circumstances indicate for controlling communicable diseases or providing protection from unsafe conditions that pose a threat to public health, except as provided in ss. 384.28 and 392.545-392.60. Any order of the department issued pursuant to this subsection shall be immediately enforceable by a law enforcement officer under s. 381.0012.
(5) The department shall adopt rules to specify the conditions and procedures for imposing and releasing an isolation or a quarantine. The rules must include provisions related to:
(a) The closure of premises.
(b) The movement of persons or animals exposed to or infected with a communicable disease.
(c) The tests or treatment, including vaccination, for communicable disease required before employment or admission to the premises or to comply with an isolation or a quarantine.
(d) Testing or destruction of animals with or suspected of having a disease transmissible to humans.
(e) Access by the department to isolated or quarantined premises.
(f) The disinfection of isolated or quarantined animals, persons, or premises.
(g) Methods of isolation or quarantine.
(6) The rules adopted under this section and actions taken by the department pursuant to a declared public health emergency, isolation, or quarantine shall supersede all rules enacted by other state departments, boards or commissions, and ordinances and regulations enacted by political subdivisions of the state. Any person who violates any rule adopted under this section, any isolation or quarantine, or any requirement adopted by the department pursuant to a declared public health emergency, commits a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
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Reading through this I am a bit confused?

Can you still CCW during SOE?
Link Posted: 3/16/2020 8:17:06 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By CZRider:
Yeah, i saw a second picture of another store and figured it must've been a company thing. Was more interested in the public (lack of) reaction.

Walmart is cleaned out of bleach but has plenty of 10% sodium hypochlorite pool chlorinating liquid on a pallet a few feet away. Wonder when I'll start seeing dihydrogen monoxide next to the empty water shelves too
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i once splashed dihydrogen monoxide in my eyes, luckily there was an eye washing station close by.
Link Posted: 3/16/2020 8:23:30 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/16/2020 10:34:15 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Miami_JBT:
I believe yes, since our current CCW laws were drafted long after our SOE laws were. Additionally, in declared disaster areas, people can CCW without a permit for 48 hours. So that would establish that the legality of carry even in a declared SOE, legal carry by a permit is fine.
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Originally Posted By Miami_JBT:
Originally Posted By ops144:
Originally Posted By Miami_JBT:
FL Laws

Article IV, Section 1(a) of the Florida Constitution permits the Governor to issue an Executive Order to declare a State of Emergency in times of a natural disaster, allowing him to enact provisions of the State's Emergency Management Plan.

In part, the Executive Order states:

Section 2. I designate the Director of the Division of Emergency Management as the State Coordinating Officer for the duration of this emergency and direct him to execute the State's Comprehensive Emergency Management Plan and other response, recover, and mitigation plans necessary to cope with the emergency. Pursuant to section 252.36(1)(a), Florida Statutes, I delegate to the State Coordinating Officer the authority to exercise those powers delineated in sections 252.36(5)-(10), Florida Statutes, which he shall exercise as needed to meet this emergency, subject to the limitations of section 252.33, Florida Statutes.

But those powers have certain limitations with regards to firearms.

FS 252.36 Emergency Management Powers of the Governor

(5)(h): Suspend or limit the sale, dispensing, or transportation of alcoholic beverages, firearms, explosives, and combustibles. However, nothing contained in ss. 252.31-252.90 shall be construed to authorize the seizure, taking, or confiscation of firearms that are lawfully possessed, unless a person is engaged in the commission of a criminal act.

FS 870.043 Declaration of emergency

Whenever the sheriff or designated city official determines that there has been an act of violence or a flagrant and substantial defiance of, or resistance to, a lawful exercise of public authority and that, on account thereof, there is reason to believe that there exists a clear and present danger of a riot or other general public disorder, widespread disobedience of the law, and substantial injury to persons or to property, all of which constitute an imminent threat to public peace or order and to the general welfare of the jurisdiction affected or a part or parts thereof, he or she may declare that a state of emergency exists within that jurisdiction or any part or parts thereof.

FS 870.044 Automatic Emergency Measures

(1): 870.044 Whenever the public official declares that a state of emergency exists, pursuant to s. 870.043, the following acts shall be prohibited during the period of said emergency throughout the jurisdiction: (1) The sale of, or offer to sell, with or without consideration, any ammunition or gun or other firearm of any size or description. (2) The intentional display, after the emergency is declared, by or in any store or shop of any ammunition or gun or other firearm of any size or description. (3) The intentional possession in a public place of a firearm by any person, except a duly authorized law enforcement official or person in military service acting in the official performance of her or his duty.

Additionally, FL Law states the following.

FS 790.01 Unlicensed carrying of concealed weapons or concealed firearms.

(a) A person who carries a concealed weapon, or a person who may lawfully possess a firearm and who carries a concealed firearm, on or about his or her person while in the act of evacuating during a mandatory evacuation order issued during a state of emergency declared by the Governor pursuant to chapter 252 or declared by a local authority pursuant to chapter 870. As used in this subsection, the term "in the act of evacuating" means the immediate and urgent movement of a person away from the evacuation zone within 48 hours after a mandatory evacuation is ordered. The 48 hours may be extended by an order issued by the Governor.

F.S. 381.00315 Public health advisories; public health emergencies; isolation and quarantines.

(c)"Public health emergency" means any occurrence, or threat thereof, whether natural or manmade, which results or may result in substantial injury or harm to the public health from infectious disease, chemical agents, nuclear agents, biological toxins, or situations involving mass casualties or natural disasters. Before declaring a public health emergency, the State Health Officer shall, to the extent possible, consult with the Governor and shall notify the Chief of Domestic Security. The declaration of a public health emergency shall continue until the State Health Officer finds that the threat or danger has been dealt with to the extent that the emergency conditions no longer exist and he or she terminates the declaration. However, a declaration of a public health emergency may not continue for longer than 60 days unless the Governor concurs in the renewal of the declaration. The State Health Officer, upon declaration of a public health emergency, may take actions that are necessary to protect the public health. Such actions include, but are not limited to:
1.Directing manufacturers of prescription drugs or over-the-counter drugs who are permitted under chapter 499 and wholesalers of prescription drugs located in this state who are permitted under chapter 499 to give priority to the shipping of specified drugs to pharmacies and health care providers within geographic areas that have been identified by the State Health Officer. The State Health Officer must identify the drugs to be shipped. Manufacturers and wholesalers located in the state must respond to the State Health Officer's priority shipping directive before shipping the specified drugs.
2.Notwithstanding chapters 465 and 499 and rules adopted thereunder, directing pharmacists employed by the department to compound bulk prescription drugs and provide these bulk prescription drugs to physicians and nurses of county health departments or any qualified person authorized by the State Health Officer for administration to persons as part of a prophylactic or treatment regimen.
3.Notwithstanding s. 456.036, temporarily reactivating the inactive license of the following health care practitioners, when such practitioners are needed to respond to the public health emergency: physicians licensed under chapter 458 or chapter 459; physician assistants licensed under chapter 458 or chapter 459; licensed practical nurses, registered nurses, and advanced practice registered nurses licensed under part I of chapter 464; respiratory therapists licensed under part V of chapter 468; and emergency medical technicians and paramedics certified under part III of chapter 401. Only those health care practitioners specified in this paragraph who possess an unencumbered inactive license and who request that such license be reactivated are eligible for reactivation. An inactive license that is reactivated under this paragraph shall return to inactive status when the public health emergency ends or before the end of the public health emergency if the State Health Officer determines that the health care practitioner is no longer needed to provide services during the public health emergency. Such licenses may only be reactivated for a period not to exceed 90 days without meeting the requirements of s. 456.036 or chapter 401, as applicable.
4.Ordering an individual to be examined, tested, vaccinated, treated, isolated, or quarantined for communicable diseases that have significant morbidity or mortality and present a severe danger to public health. Individuals who are unable or unwilling to be examined, tested, vaccinated, or treated for reasons of health, religion, or conscience may be subjected to isolation or quarantine.
a.Examination, testing, vaccination, or treatment may be performed by any qualified person authorized by the State Health Officer.
b.If the individual poses a danger to the public health, the State Health Officer may subject the individual to isolation or quarantine. If there is no practical method to isolate or quarantine the individual, the State Health Officer may use any means necessary to vaccinate or treat the individual.
Any order of the State Health Officer given to effectuate this paragraph shall be immediately enforceable by a law enforcement officer under s. 381.0012.

(d)"Quarantine" means the separation of an individual reasonably believed to have been exposed to a communicable disease, but who is not yet ill, from individuals who have not been so exposed, to prevent the possible spread of the disease.
(2)Individuals who assist the State Health Officer at his or her request on a volunteer basis during a public health emergency are entitled to the benefits specified in s. 110.504(2), (3), (4), and (5).
(3)To facilitate effective emergency management, when the United States Department of Health and Human Services contracts for the manufacture and delivery of licensable products in response to a public health emergency and the terms of those contracts are made available to the states, the department shall accept funds provided by counties, municipalities, and other entities designated in the state emergency management plan required under s. 252.35(2)(a) for the purpose of participation in those contracts. The department shall deposit those funds in the Grants and Donations Trust Fund and expend those funds on behalf of the donor county, municipality, or other entity for the purchase of the licensable products made available under the contract.
(4)The department has the duty and the authority to declare, enforce, modify, and abolish the isolation and quarantine of persons, animals, and premises as the circumstances indicate for controlling communicable diseases or providing protection from unsafe conditions that pose a threat to public health, except as provided in ss. 384.28 and 392.545-392.60. Any order of the department issued pursuant to this subsection shall be immediately enforceable by a law enforcement officer under s. 381.0012.
(5)The department shall adopt rules to specify the conditions and procedures for imposing and releasing an isolation or a quarantine. The rules must include provisions related to:
(a)The closure of premises.
(b)The movement of persons or animals exposed to or infected with a communicable disease.
(c)The tests or treatment, including vaccination, for communicable disease required before employment or admission to the premises or to comply with an isolation or a quarantine.
(d)Testing or destruction of animals with or suspected of having a disease transmissible to humans.
(e)Access by the department to isolated or quarantined premises.
(f)The disinfection of isolated or quarantined animals, persons, or premises.
(g)Methods of isolation or quarantine.
(6)The rules adopted under this section and actions taken by the department pursuant to a declared public health emergency, isolation, or quarantine shall supersede all rules enacted by other state departments, boards or commissions, and ordinances and regulations enacted by political subdivisions of the state. Any person who violates any rule adopted under this section, any isolation or quarantine, or any requirement adopted by the department pursuant to a declared public health emergency, commits a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
Reading through this I am a bit confused?

Can you still CCW during SOE?
I believe yes, since our current CCW laws were drafted long after our SOE laws were. Additionally, in declared disaster areas, people can CCW without a permit for 48 hours. So that would establish that the legality of carry even in a declared SOE, legal carry by a permit is fine.
Thank you Sir👍🇺🇸
Link Posted: 3/16/2020 11:01:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/16/2020 11:13:46 AM EDT by wmagrush]
So store shelves have been empty for weeks of hand sanitizer and rubbing alcohol. But there are still millions of gallons per day of ethanol being added to gasoline, all made with govt subsidies at about fifty cents per gallon. Has anyone seen any discussions about cutting back adding to gasoline and diverting output to the health industry?
Link Posted: 3/16/2020 1:04:30 PM EDT
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i once splashed dihydrogen monoxide in my eyes, luckily there was an eye washing station close by.
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I worked at a party store in high school and once offered to try and use the nitrogen tank from our balloon counter to fill something for a customer. She proceeded to tell me that nitrogen was that dangerous stuff that if you get it on your arm it'll freeze you and that's how they killed the terminator and she didn't think we'd have any of that there.



Still kicking myself for not thinking to tell her she was inhaling it as we spoke...
Link Posted: 3/16/2020 7:57:31 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/16/2020 9:16:13 PM EDT
I thought of starting a thread, but do you think FL will shut down like northern states

If  FL doesn't shut down I can see a mass migration to freedom for the next two weeks
Link Posted: 3/17/2020 4:06:49 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By MrHold:
I thought of starting a thread, but do you think FL will shut down like northern states

If  FL doesn't shut down I can see a mass migration to freedom for the next two weeks
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DeSantis is a fucking idiot. He's "encouraging restaurants to stay OPEN!"

So, yeah, that's probably exactly what he's doing. Trying to lure in more tourist money. (Some of which will probably find it's way into his own bank account.)

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Link Posted: 3/23/2020 9:39:26 AM EDT
It’s clear that none of the local and state nazis directing these ill advised panic closures have ever owned a small business.  When this debacle is over, millions of previously thriving small businesses will be gone.  No economic stimulus package will jump start them again.  In the wake of these disastrous public policy decisions, will be wrecked futures, destroyed families, displaced workers and economic chaos.
Link Posted: 3/23/2020 3:33:04 PM EDT
Alachua county is going to shelter in place at midnight monday the 23.
Link Posted: 3/24/2020 10:46:50 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Rock7:


DeSantis is a fucking idiot. He's "encouraging restaurants to stay OPEN!"

So, yeah, that's probably exactly what he's doing. Trying to lure in more tourist money. (Some of which will probably find it's way into his own bank account.)

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No he is encouraging a rational, science based process.  He is not running around with his hair on fire screaming "shut it down, shut it down".
Link Posted: 3/25/2020 8:50:38 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/25/2020 3:38:39 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Mannlicher:
It’s clear that none of the local and state nazis directing these ill advised panic closures have ever owned a small business.  When this debacle is over, millions of previously thriving small businesses will be gone.  No economic stimulus package will jump start them again.  In the wake of these disastrous public policy decisions, will be wrecked futures, destroyed families, displaced workers and economic chaos.
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But, you will be ALIVE.

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Link Posted: 4/1/2020 3:38:03 PM EDT
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