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Posted: 1/13/2011 2:58:01 PM EDT
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Thanks for the list of info with emails and numbers.
So is there an emergency hearing on the subject of hi-cap mags going on right now in Washington? Is it in the Senate or the House? eta: I just wrote my first one. I copied some of yours above and added to it. It just so happens that a couple of the local state reps are pretty conservative, so I added a personal touch... 
here's mine to Bruce Starr: Dear Mr. Starr, First I would like express my sincere condolences for the senseless act of violence that was committed against your colleague in Washington, Ms. Giffords. My thoughts and prayers go out to her, and the other victims, and their families. Once again, though, people are screaming gun control, and using this heinous act to attempt to disarm law abiding gun owners, such as myself. Between you and me, saying that guns cause crime is like saying a pencil caused my bad grammer, and a spoon made Rosie O’donnell fat… I am writing to you specifically in hopes that you will vote NO on any anti-2nd Amendment legislation that comes up for vote, including the ban of high capacity magazines. They do have their place in civilian hands as they are a necessary item for many activities and uses, including recreation and effective self defense of my family and I. From what I know of you I’m not super worried that you would help to enact any further restrictions on our precious Second Ammendment rights. At the 4th of July parade in Hillsboro last year I was wearing one of Doug Keller’s campaign t-shirts with the Gadsen Flag on it, which caused one of your supporters to push his way through the crowded farmer’s market area to make sure I got one of your flyers and would help support you. I thought it was pretty funny that your guy noticed my shirt and totally b-lined it for me, knowing I would likely be sympathetic to his cause and interested in his message. |
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Posted: 1/13/2011 3:43:24 PM EDT
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Wow, about all of Oregons districts are anti-gun looney liberal Dimocrats. Only Eastern Oregon has a sensible Rep, Greg Walden. Glad I dont have to worry about him over here and no need to be concerned to contact.
 Hope you guys can pound DeFazio, Bluemenhauser, ladies man- Wu and others that probably wont listen. I wish Oregon had the sense to be balanced and had at least a Rhino Republican Senator like G.Smith, unfortunately the creeps Wyden and Merkley will happily vote for another Brady Bill .
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Posted: 1/13/2011 3:47:23 PM EDT
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Yah, over here on the westside our reps to D.C. are pretty much all
The same does not apply to all the State Reps. There's a few good ones here and there. |
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Posted: 1/13/2011 7:52:40 PM EDT
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Thanks for the list of info with emails and numbers. So is there an emergency hearing on the subject of hi-cap mags going on right now in Washington? Is it in the Senate or the House? No, but you can bet this bill and others are going to make it through committees. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47338.html |
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Posted: 1/13/2011 7:53:47 PM EDT
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Yah, over here on the westside our reps to D.C. are pretty much all
The same does not apply to all the State Reps. There's a few good ones here and there. As true as it may be, they all do eventually surcome (spelling?) to pressure. |
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Posted: 1/13/2011 8:36:06 PM EDT
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Yah, over here on the westside our reps to D.C. are pretty much all
The same does not apply to all the State Reps. There's a few good ones here and there. As true as it may be, they all do eventually succumb  (spelling?) to pressure.Waddau mean? You mean that you think even the conservative, usually pro-2nd Ammendment, reps will bow to the pressure of a small group desiring to limit our rights? I don't pretend to know much about politics, but I think you're right in a lot of instances. Seems like gun laws are generally tough to get through unless there is a majority of dems all the way around (which we almost have in Oregon I believe, eh). The Dems barely have the Senate at 16 to 14 , but the House is a straight up tie with 30 on either side of the aisle. And if I recall correctly, we now have co-speakers of the house in Oregon, do we not? One a Dem, one a Rep, right? (Bruce Hanna & Arnie Roblan) And of course we now have the urban cowboy in the big house... I guess it's always possible to have a state law enacted like Cali, but right now it seems like the hi-cap ban push is on more of a national level, which reminds one of the '94 ban... So it can happen I guess. eta: I tried my darndest to get somebody in office that wouldn't succumb to pressure; Doug Keller. But Cornilles edged him out in the primary and then just sucked in the end.  So now we're stuck with Wu again. 
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Posted: 1/13/2011 9:36:38 PM EDT
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Wu is smooth with the ladies. Maybe he can pressure
them into saying no to a hi-cap ban. In some ways I hope the Repugs cave and we have another Brady Bill. So then the GOP can go the way of an extinct animal and be a part of past history. Only then can we get a real conservative party up and going. The only hope that kept the GOP from leaving its endangered status to extinct was the tea party. I'm sick of having to choose Diet Coke or Coke.
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Posted: 1/13/2011 11:01:56 PM EDT
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Quoted: DeFazio actually has a pretty good record on being pro firearm. He has a CCW and is pro carry for all.Yah, over here on the westside our reps to D.C. are pretty much all The same does not apply to all the State Reps. There's a few good ones here and there. |
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Posted: 1/14/2011 2:01:39 AM EDT
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In some ways I hope the Repugs cave and we have another Brady Bill. So then the GOP can go the way of an extinct animal and be a part of past history. Only then can we get a real conservative party up and going. The only hope that kept the GOP from leaving its endangered status to extinct was the tea party. I'm sick of having to choose Diet Coke or Coke .So with that logic, if the fire department in your town sucks, you should burn your house down to get a better fire department.......
I agree that the Republicans aren't perfect, but they are a damn sight better than the Democrats. |
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Posted: 1/14/2011 5:25:59 AM EDT
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Is there an actual bill anywhere, or are the anti-gun politicians just "readying" bills..."readying" is just consideration, talk, and a sort of anti-gun saber rattling. It doesn't mean they actually will do anything. Of course, I'm against any further infringement on our 2nd amendment rights, and believe that effective enforcement of existing laws is the way to go.
But most politicians find it easier to howl like crazy and pass new laws rather than insist on effective enforcement of existing laws. That applies to firearms, immigration, taxes, and many other topics. We could spend a great deal of energy prematurely if no bill ever gets introduced. Once a bill is actually introduced, then I think action would be more effective. The vast majority of politicians already know how they will vote on a given topic...usually they vote how their party tells them to with little independent action or thought. Sure, they talk about considering alternatives, but when it actually comes down to a vote (like the health care bill) almost every one of them voted the party line. Fortunately, there are a considerable number of Republicans now at the Federal level, and the remaining democrats realize that their jobs are far from secure. The democrats may be libtards, but they aren't totally stupid. Hopefully, they will see how passing more anti-2nd amendment laws puts their very jobs at risk. |
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Posted: 1/14/2011 5:27:15 AM EDT
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Is there an actual bill anywhere, or are the anti-gun politicians just "readying" bills..."readying" is just consideration, talk, and a sort of anti-gun saber rattling. It doesn't mean they actually will do anything. Of course, I'm against any further infringement on our 2nd amendment rights, and believe that effective enforcement of existing laws is the way to go.
But most politicians find it easier to howl like crazy and pass new laws rather than insist on effective enforcement of existing laws. That applies to firearms, immigration, taxes, and many other topics. We could spend a great deal of energy prematurely if no bill ever gets introduced. Once a bill is actually introduced, then I think action would be more effective. The vast majority of politicians already know how they will vote on a given topic...usually they vote how their party tells them to with little independent action or thought. Sure, they talk about considering alternatives, but when it actually comes down to a vote (like the health care bill) almost every one of them voted the party line. Fortunately, there are a considerable number of Republicans now at the Federal level, and the remaining democrats realize that their jobs are far from secure. The democrats may be libtards, but they aren't totally stupid. Hopefully, they will see how passing more anti-2nd amendment laws puts their very jobs at risk. For what it is worth, the OP's sample letter was well written. I agree with the sentiment in the letter, however, I would prefer to wait until something actually gets introduced. |
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Posted: 1/14/2011 3:27:02 PM EDT
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sigpro. thats how we incrementally lose our rights by compromising. Sometimes you need to concede or give a battle to eventually win the war. America is plum full of complacent people sitting back in comfort thinking "it wont happen to them". I hope in many ways Diet Coke(Repugs) disappear as we all know Coke will never as America has become a lazy, fat, Socialist nanny state that loves and needs to suckle from the teat of the DNC and their ideals. If the GOP cant stand up for the Constitution and what the Founders intended then America doesnt need their existance. Personally, speaking of your fire dept example, I'd rather not prolong what Darwinism would have taken care of from the get go.
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Posted: 1/14/2011 4:03:09 PM EDT
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sigpro. thats how we incrementally lose our rights by compromising. Sometimes you need to concede or give a battle to eventually win the war. America is plum full of complacent people sitting back in comfort thinking "it wont happen to them". I hope in many ways Diet Coke(Repugs) disappear as we all know Coke will never as America has become a lazy, fat, Socialist nanny state that loves and needs to suckle from the teat of the DNC and their ideals. If the GOP cant stand up for the Constitution and what the Founders intended then America doesnt need their existance. Personally, speaking of your fire dept example, I'd rather not prolong what Darwinism would have taken care of from the get go. Gee thanks, I feel so much better now that you have "enlightened" me. Wishing for a Brady bill to pass is nothing but stupidity. Not sure what you mean by the Darwinism comment....... |
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Posted: 1/14/2011 6:28:19 PM EDT
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sig, you indeed are the typical socialist-Repug that makes Oregon what it is today by your demeanor
As for the Darwinism comment I meant if as an individual you cant be responsible for your own actions in how your house operates then let it burn. Freedom doesnt cover insurance and handouts Be responsible .
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Posted: 1/14/2011 6:29:21 PM EDT
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Yah, over here on the westside our reps to D.C. are pretty much all
The same does not apply to all the State Reps. There's a few good ones here and there. As true as it may be, they all do eventually succumb (spelling?) to pressure.Waddau mean? You mean that you think even the conservative, usually pro-2nd Ammendment, reps will bow to the pressure of a small group desiring to limit our rights? I don't pretend to know much about politics, but I think you're right in a lot of instances. Seems like gun laws are generally tough to get through unless there is a majority of dems all the way around (which we almost have in Oregon I believe, eh). The Dems barely have the Senate at 16 to 14 , but the House is a straight up tie with 30 on either side of the aisle. And if I recall correctly, we now have co-speakers of the house in Oregon, do we not? One a Dem, one a Rep, right? (Bruce Hanna & Arnie Roblan) And of course we now have the urban cowboy in the big house... I guess it's always possible to have a state law enacted like Cali, but right now it seems like the hi-cap ban push is on more of a national level, which reminds one of the '94 ban... So it can happen I guess. eta: I tried my darndest to get somebody in office that wouldn't succumb to pressure; Doug Keller. But Cornilles edged him out in the primary and then just sucked in the end. So now we're stuck with Wu again. Well for example that SB510 (Food Modernization Act), which initially banned every individual from growing or selling food. After it was drastically amended to make it so all farmers who sell directly to consumer (farmer market types), farmers who generate lower than I believe 250K a year & individual growers exempt it still failed BIG TIME (don't want to research the vote count at the moment). It was dead, dead, dead. The next day it came back and passed with 100% consensus without any modification. First time in history that's happened. ALL media was baffled. Additionally look at hunting in the USA, it's slowly lost bit by bit. Why? Multiple reasons, but the major contributing factor is the hunting groups and individuals always play defense. They never file lawsuits to get the state to take action & never sue anti hunting groups for illegal activity (like the OR HSUS PAYING a poacher to make poaching videos to use during the 1994 no hound ban campaign, which ultimately lead to no dogs for cougar or bear). My point is; OFFENSE! That's what the anti gunners are doing right now. Capitalizing on a interception. We had the ball because of the feds recognizing the 2A on a individual level, then the lawsuit in Chicago. Now they have the ball, and we'll be on defense unless we are contacting our reps right now! Without that offensive pushing them, they could easily succumb to pressure from the liberal media spewing "you caused this" and pass it. I included the state contacts, because they do have pull over our federal reps. |
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Posted: 1/14/2011 6:53:56 PM EDT
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Yah, that makes sense. I've really only been involved in contacting my legislators in the last 5 years or so. It does take all of us though, so hopefully there aren't too many fellas thinking "ah, there's lots of other guys gonna do it, so I probly won't worry about it this time..."
I've already sent a couple emails and have a few more to do. |
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Posted: 1/14/2011 9:55:05 PM EDT
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Wrote em last night.
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Posted: 1/15/2011 12:09:47 PM EDT
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sig, you indeed are the typical socialist-Repug that makes Oregon what it is today by your demeanor As for the Darwinism comment I meant if as an individual you cant be responsible for your own actions in how your house operates then let it burn. Freedom doesnt cover insurance and handouts Be responsible.HKPSP you don't know s**t about me, or anything that I might believe in, so keep your socialist slander BS to yourself. I pay my own way 100%, have never had public assistance, nor do I favor it for others. I pay my own health insurance, my own mortgage, and I vote. I am a republican, but don't agree with what they do all the time. I don't know you, but I can tell that I probably don't like you. I am done with this. ETA: E-mails sent to my representative and both US senators. Just letting them know that I was against any form of gun control. I guess that disqualifies me from the "socialist-Repug" club. 
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Posted: 1/15/2011 6:15:43 PM EDT
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sig, you indeed are the typical socialist-Repug that makes Oregon what it is today by your demeanor As for the Darwinism comment I meant if as an individual you cant be responsible for your own actions in how your house operates then let it burn. Freedom doesnt cover insurance and handouts Be responsible.HKPSP you don't know s**t about me, or anything that I might believe in, so keep your socialist slander BS to yourself. I pay my own way 100%, have never had public assistance, nor do I favor it for others. I pay my own health insurance, my own mortgage, and I vote. I am a republican, but don't agree with what they do all the time. I don't know you, but I can tell that I probably don't like you. I am done with this. ETA: E-mails sent to my representative and both US senators. Just letting them know that I was against any form of gun control. I guess that disqualifies me from the "socialist-Repug" club. Don't worry sig. I am non-affiliated voter (sometimes vote right, sometimes left) and catch shit around here from time to time too. We don't have to agree on everything, but we all agree that the 2A is clear! |
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Posted: 1/21/2011 3:45:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/21/2011 5:35:57 PM EDT
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Earl Blumenauer is a Co-Sponsor of McCarthy's Anti High Capacity Magazine Ban.
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Posted: 1/21/2011 7:22:24 PM EDT
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Earl Blumenauer is a Co-Sponsor of McCarthy's Anti High Capacity Magazine Ban. Color me SHOCKED......................... WHAT A DUMB A$$ |
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Posted: 3/10/2011 10:44:55 PM EDT
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Well it took him awhile but:
Dear OBR Thank you for your message urging me to support gun owners' rights. I appreciate hearing from you. As a fellow gun owner, I have been a strong supporter of citizen rights under the Second Amendment. For instance, I voted against the so-called assault weapons ban and arbitrary waiting periods prior to the purchase of handgun. I voted for legislation to create the instant background check system, legislation to prohibit lawsuits against firearms manufacturers for the illegal use of a firearm, and legislation to prohibit the confiscation of firearms from law-abiding citizens during emergency situations. I also offered and successfully passed legislation to allow pilots to carry handguns on commercial airlines as a last line of defense from terrorists. These are a few examples of my long and consistent support for the right of law abiding citizens to own firearms for sport and personal safety. You can be sure that I will continue to fight to protect the Second Amendment against further abridgement by the federal government. Thanks, again, for your message. Please stay in touch. Sincerely, Rep. Peter DeFazio Fourth District, OREGON ******Please do not respond directly to this email***** Please submit further correspondence by visiting the Congressmans website at www.defazio.house.gov Check us out on Facebook at www.facebook.com/pages/Peter-DeFazio/94324364811 |
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Posted: 3/11/2011 7:56:51 AM EDT
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Interesting letter from DeFazio.
On the one hand, it reads as if he is a strong supporter of 2nd Amendment rights. On the other hand, he expressly doesn't say "I do not support the legislation on which you're inquiring." A true politician. |
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Posted: 3/11/2011 8:27:22 AM EDT
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Interesting letter from DeFazio. On the one hand, it reads as if he is a strong supporter of 2nd Amendment rights. On the other hand, he expressly doesn't say "I do not support the legislation on which you're inquiring." A true politician. Yup! As far as I'm concerned though, he is the best 2nd A supporting member of the federal representatives we have. Any member that voted against the assault weapons ban back in the 90's is yards ahead of anyone else. |
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Posted: 3/14/2011 7:37:39 PM EDT
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Interesting letter from DeFazio. On the one hand, it reads as if he is a strong supporter of 2nd Amendment rights. On the other hand, he expressly doesn't say "I do not support the legislation on which you're inquiring." A true politician. That's because it's a pre-written response that they send to any letters sent to them inquiring about his stance on gun control (at least if the original sender is pro-gun; I'm sure there's a different one for letters from anti-gun folks). |
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