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Posted: 7/20/2005 6:48:13 AM EDT
I am going to buy my father in law an AR but he lives in Conn. I am not familiar with the legalities of this as I do beleive that there is still some sort of ban on. Could he get away with having a pistol grip and FH and still have the collapsable stock and nix the bayonet lug, or does he have to nix the stock as well? Could some of you fine Connecticut yankees set me straight on the legal thing? Thanks in advance!
Link Posted: 7/20/2005 6:56:11 AM EDT
The CT Ban looks like the old Fed ban when it come to the evil feaure checklist on semi-auto rifles.

If it going to be an AR, the only feature it can have would be a pistol grip. No threaded barrel, flash suppressor, coll/folding stocks or bayo lug. Also, of note, it cannot be a "Colt AR15" or "Colt Sporter" as those are specifically named as assault weapons and banned by name.

There is no magazine restriction in CT, so standard capacity magazines, regardless of date of manufacture, are legal here.
Link Posted: 7/20/2005 1:21:34 PM EDT
racer is correct assuming it's a "new" , post '94 AR15.
Buy him a preban [once again NOT Colt AR15 or Sporter models], and he can have all the evil features he wants.
I'm sure he'd appreciate a nice pre-94 Bushmaster from your state

Link Posted: 7/22/2005 7:49:11 PM EDT
There have been a few preban Oly Arms and Eagle Arms (16", collapsable stock, lug, and flashhider) available in the auction sites for very good prices recently.
Unless, you want to go the 1k+ route=Bushmaster
Link Posted: 7/23/2005 10:38:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/23/2005 11:05:50 PM EDT by TheTracker]

Originally Posted By rag:
racer is correct assuming it's a "new" , post '94 AR15.
Buy him a preban [once again NOT Colt AR15 or Sporter models], and he can have all the evil features he wants.
I'm sure he'd appreciate a nice pre-94 Bushmaster from your state




You can't own a preban in CT, unless it was registerd with the state police during the one year grace period they had . If you have one it can only be sold to a dealer in CT and he has to sell it out if state.You cannot have all the evil features on any model AR. Only postban models are legal. The end of the AWB did nothing to help us. Nothing to do with this but look how stupid are laws are on autos. You can buy a full auto but it can't have selective fire , always has to fire fullauto
Link Posted: 7/24/2005 6:28:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/24/2005 6:29:27 AM EDT by sapper326]
well thanks for all the info. the question that has arose is this, I want to get him a lefty Stag. Now obviously it has a pistol grip, If I nix the bayonet lug and the collapsable stock will it be able to keep the flash hider or does it need a comp instead? Thanks again!hinking.gif
Link Posted: 7/24/2005 6:49:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/24/2005 7:10:41 AM EDT by TheTracker]
I am 99.99% sure no flash hider is alowed even if they permanently fix it on .I know for sure the law states no threaded barrel is allowed if the flashhider can be removed. The best advice I can give you and for you to be 100% sure .STAG ARMS are made here in NEW BRITIAN , CT
There number is 860-224-0839 they will answer any legal question for you for your own piece of mind and to make sure you give your dad a 100% legal rifle
I am reading the state law and ordinances firearms laws for CT.
line (iv) A flash suppresor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor
(i) a semiautomatic that has the ability to accept a detachable mag
(i) a folding or telescoping stock
(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuosly beneaththe action of the weapon
(iii) a bayonet mount

So I would say I am 100% sure no flash hider even if it permanently fixed is allowed
It would have to be a muzzle break or mini comp permanently fixed
Link Posted: 7/24/2005 9:17:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/24/2005 9:18:58 AM EDT by RealFastV6]

Originally Posted By TheTracker:

Originally Posted By rag:
racer is correct assuming it's a "new" , post '94 AR15.
Buy him a preban [once again NOT Colt AR15 or Sporter models], and he can have all the evil features he wants.
I'm sure he'd appreciate a nice pre-94 Bushmaster from your state




You can't own a preban in CT, unless it was registerd with the state police during the one year grace period they had . If you have one it can only be sold to a dealer in CT and he has to sell it out if state.You cannot have all the evil features on any model AR. Only postban models are legal. The end of the AWB did nothing to help us. Nothing to do with this but look how stupid are laws are on autos. You can buy a full auto but it can't have selective fire , always has to fire fullauto



Please reference Connecticut General Statutes 53-202m, then return to join us in this conversation.
Link Posted: 7/24/2005 9:18:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By rag:
racer is correct assuming it's a "new" , post '94 AR15.
Buy him a preban [once again NOT Colt AR15 or Sporter models], and he can have all the evil features he wants.
I'm sure he'd appreciate a nice pre-94 Bushmaster from your state




+1 on the Pre94 Bushmaster. Friends don't let friends buy neutered rifles.
Link Posted: 7/24/2005 6:45:47 PM EDT
TheTracker please "track" down the correct info on state laws!


Link Posted: 7/24/2005 7:39:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/24/2005 7:49:40 PM EDT by TheTracker]
guys I thought I was given him the correct info . The way I read it even if it is not a colt sporter or a AR15 but it has those other features .Just bringing it into the state is a class three felony
SECTION 53-202b . real fastv6 i am looking for 53-202m . the book they sent me is the 2003
-24th edition and cannot find that in there.I apologize if I gave the wrong info but I asked the local gunshop and he really didnot know the right answer to this . And the worst thing is I feel
real stupid because I just got my FFL . I had one in the late 70's and I just never had to deal with all these insane laws we bought anything we wanted . Again I apologize
Link Posted: 7/24/2005 8:06:51 PM EDT
Sec. 53-202m. Circumstances when assault weapons exempt from limitations on transfers and registration requirements. Notwithstanding any provision of the general statutes, sections 53-202a to 53-202l, inclusive, shall not be construed to limit the transfer or require the registration of an assault weapon as defined in subdivision (3) or (4) of subsection (a) of section 53-202a, provided such firearm was legally manufactured prior to September 13, 1994.
Link Posted: 7/24/2005 8:37:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheTracker:
guys I thought I was given him the correct info . The way I read it even if it is not a colt sporter or a AR15 but it has those other features .Just bringing it into the state is a class three felony
SECTION 53-202b . real fastv6 i am looking for 53-202m . the book they sent me is the 2003
-24th edition and cannot find that in there.I apologize if I gave the wrong info but I asked the local gunshop and he really didnot know the right answer to this . And the worst thing is I feel
real stupid because I just got my FFL . I had one in the late 70's and I just never had to deal with all these insane laws we bought anything we wanted . Again I apologize



I'm not being snotty, we used to have a sticky up to clearify it because our laws are such a clusterfuck. The feature ban wasn't adopted until 2003 IIRC so it wouldn't be in a book that old.
Link Posted: 7/24/2005 9:06:04 PM EDT
Racer and Real Fast thank you for posting this . I will definitely be more carefull before I try to answer a legal question again. Thank you
Link Posted: 7/25/2005 5:43:40 AM EDT
We all make mistakes!

Do you have your own store front, or where do you sell out of?


Link Posted: 7/25/2005 6:58:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By rag:
We all make mistakes!

Do you have your own store front, or where do you sell out of?





I don't have a store front yet .The place where my home is located I was able to obtain a business license from my town hall . I am getting ready to retire in less then a year and then pursue opening a nice little shop in the northeast section of the state
Link Posted: 7/25/2005 6:59:48 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TheTracker:
Racer and Real Fast thank you for posting this . I will definitely be more carefull before I try to answer a legal question again. Thank you



Just so you have a full understanding too, the exemption isn't for firearms on "the list", only firearms that meet the feature count. So you're right in that it doesn't matter if a Thompson or a ColtAR15 is preban, because they're on "the list", but anything not on "the list" that's an Assault Weapon because of the feature count gets a Pre-94 exemption.


Link Posted: 7/25/2005 7:21:25 AM EDT
Thanks realfast now I understand when I saw a Preban Stoner SR-2K carbine listed for sale in one of the big gunshops in the southern part of the state. I thought to my self how is he able to sell this . Now I know. thanks
Link Posted: 7/25/2005 8:18:16 AM EDT
Keep us posted... we could use another black rifle friendly gunstore in CT!


Link Posted: 7/26/2005 10:26:36 AM EDT
We are very black rifle friendly gun store. If you have any questions feel free to gice us a call.
Lars
Newington Gun Exchange
210 Market Sq
Newington,CT 06111
(860)667-2658
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 1:37:03 PM EDT
ok, by reading this topic It is easy to see that my HK91 would not not be 'legal' becuase it has a pistol grip and a flash hider. For me it would be simple to easily just mill off those threads and re-parkerize the barrel. Thats no problem.

But my real question is that are those 'evil features' allowed on pump shotguns? Say, can a pump shotgun have a bayonet lug and a pistol grip? It seems the topic has been geared towards the semi-auto rifles and I was wondering if Pump shotguns are also affected by this. I currently live in PA but will be moving back to CT soon, so i just need a few things clarified.
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 4:03:22 PM EDT
The HK is on the list so it's not legal even if it is a "preban".
Yes, pump shotguns are not affected, something like the Mossberg 590 with bayo lug and a pistol grip is fine.
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 4:39:07 PM EDT
Semi-Auto shotguns are banned if they have certain evil features but pumps can have just about anything.
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 9:53:33 PM EDT
OK thanks for the info guys.
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 10:50:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By NEWGUN:
We are very black rifle friendly gun store. If you have any questions feel free to gice us a call.
Lars
Newington Gun Exchange
210 Market Sq
Newington,CT 06111
(860)667-2658




ha ha!

alright, newington gun is VERY black gun friendly, and they even do class 3. that used to be my old favorite shop until i relocated to ME.

Lars is a good guy too, only problem is he'll hand you every gun that catches your eye. you'll end up with a full safe, but an empty wallet.


Link Posted: 8/6/2005 12:31:49 PM EDT
Again, the confusion created by the most asinine legislation ever conceived in the history of Man
proves how much this law needs to be completely repealed.

If we don't know what constitutes a "flash hider" from a "muzzle compensator" how the hell is some
newbie, politically correct trained police officer going to know?

The discussion above should all be copied and forwarded to Bob Crook of the Connecticut Coalition of Sportsmen so that he can refer back to these issues the next time he has to go
to bat for us in Hartford to try to have the dunderheads in the Legislative Office Bldg. let us keep
our guns another year.
Link Posted: 8/9/2005 1:07:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/10/2005 3:21:53 AM EDT by Phil1712]
I was reading through this post once again, and I am getting rather furious with these friggin laws. I am building an HK91 here in PA but it accepts a detachable box magazine and has a pistol grip but no flash hider or bayonet, so what the hell, I still can't have it becuase it accepts a detachable box magazine? Does this mean I need to get a thumbhole stock for it?

EDIT Oh wait, what the hell, I can't even own a goddamn it HK91 is this state, holy hell...

I guess I better build it and then sell it
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 9:06:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Phil1712:
I guess I better build it and then sell it



Before selling it, make sure it is or isn't an HK91. If the rcvr is an authentic HK, it is no-go in CT. If it is a PTR or FMP, it is legal in CT, providing it complies with the feature count, like the old Fed AWB.
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 3:24:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/10/2005 3:25:52 PM EDT by Phil1712]
I haven't built it yet, and it is a FMP parts kit i got from Sarco Inc a month ago. I haven't purchased the receiver yet, but I was told all hK91s and clones where banned. I was planning on getting a JLD receiver.

Are you saying if the receiver is JLD or PTR and NOT HK, I can own it? any proof of this?
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 4:02:52 PM EDT
You can own it, but like racer said no flash hider, bayo lug, etc
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 6:04:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Phil1712:
Are you saying if the receiver is JLD or PTR and NOT HK, I can own it? any proof of this?



Yes, you can read the statute, 53-202a. It details. by name, the banned assault weapons. HK 91/93/94 and SP89. Clones are legal, providing they don't have the feature count. So, no bayo mount, flash suppressor or folding stock.

Don't know what else to prove it, other than I own a PTR-91 and Special Licensing and Firearms has not busted in my door.
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 8:20:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/10/2005 8:27:00 PM EDT by Phil1712]
well, thanks for the info guys, it really helps. Good news for me and I keep learning every day how horribly retarted the assault weapon ban is.


Algimec Agmi; Armalite AR-180; Australian Automatic Arms SAP Pistol; Auto-Ordnance Thompson type; Avtomat Kalashnikov AK-47 type; Barrett Light-Fifty model 82A1; Beretta AR-70; Bushmaster Auto Rifle and Auto Pistol; Calico models M-900, M-950 and 100-P; Chartered Industries of Singapore SR-88; Colt AR-15 and Sporter; Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max-1 and Max-2; Encom MK-IV, MP-9 and MP-45; Fabrique Nationale FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FN/FNC; FAMAS MAS 223; Feather AT-9 and Mini-AT; Federal XC-900 and XC-450; Franchi SPAS-12 and LAW-12; Galil AR and ARM; Goncz High-Tech Carbine and High-Tech Long Pistol; Heckler & Koch HK-91, HK-93, HK-94 and SP-89; Holmes MP-83; MAC-10, MAC-11 and MAC-11 Carbine type; Intratec TEC-9 and Scorpion; Iver Johnson Enforcer model 3000; Ruger Mini-14/5F folding stock model only; Scarab Skorpion; SIG 57 AMT and 500 series; Spectre Auto Carbine and Auto Pistol; Springfield Armory BM59, SAR-48 and G-3; Sterling MK-6 and MK-7; Steyr AUG; Street Sweeper and Striker 12 revolving cylinder shotguns; USAS-12; UZI Carbine, Mini-Carbine and Pistol; Weaver Arms Nighthawk; Wilkinson "Linda" Pistol. [Note: This is the exact language of the statute. We know there is no such thing as an "Algimec Agmi."]


those are the 'assault weapons' banned in CT listed by company name and model.

So infact I cannot own a Springfield Armory G3 or an HK91, but a HK91 'type' with the words stamped 'JLD' on the receiver is perfectly legal. God I love loopholes. I take it this also mean sthat Stag AR-15s are legal as well.
Link Posted: 8/11/2005 2:54:08 AM EDT
Don't confuse the "type" issue, please.....

TYPE is a four letter dirty word in CT AW lingo.

53-202 bans the specific firearms posted above along with THREE "TYPES"

Those TYPES are: the "Avtomat Kalashnikov AK-47" TYPE; the "Thompson" TYPE and the
"MAC Carbine" TYPE.

Currently this means we can't buy AK clones in 7.62x39 but CAN buy them in .223 and 5.45;
we also cannot buy the Khar Arms (former Auto Ordnance) "Tommy" semi, or any of the "MAC"
pattern carbines.

Getting back to the HK - clones I can tell you that JLDs pretty much are flying off the walls
at shops like Hoffman's and similar stores.
Link Posted: 8/11/2005 8:58:43 AM EDT
Phil - Funny you bring up both JLD and Stag, as they are both made in CT. Our hometown rifles! But, many Colts are banned, by name, go figure.
Link Posted: 8/11/2005 2:44:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/11/2005 2:44:54 PM EDT by Phil1712]
isnt JLD made in New Britian and Stag made in New London?

Anyway, I'm going to build my parts kit around a JLD receiver and throw a thumbhole stock on it and cut off the threated part of the barrel to make it CTOK
Link Posted: 8/11/2005 3:23:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Phil1712:
isnt JLD made in New Britian and Stag made in New London?

Anyway, I'm going to build my parts kit around a JLD receiver and throw a thumbhole stock on it and cut off the threated part of the barrel to make it CTOK



no, JLD are made in Farmington and Stag are made in New Britain.
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 8:44:18 AM EDT
I really hate to rekindle new topics, but I figured it was better then making a new one, but Would I be able to have a birdcage on my Beretta Storm in CT, or would that rub sides with the laws since it does take a detachable box magazine.
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 12:22:01 PM EDT
Your Storm is good to go in CT.
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 12:39:51 PM EDT

Phil - Funny you bring up both JLD and Stag, as they are both made in CT. Our hometown rifles! But, many Colts are banned, by name, go figure.

I'm kinda confused here. What is the message? Pre ban Colts are banned cause of the features but JLD and Stag aren't cause they developed after the ban w/out the evil features.
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 12:56:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/20/2005 12:56:53 PM EDT by Phil1712]
Honestly the way I see it is that the Ban had banned the guns by BRAND name it seemed. You cant own HK or Springfield G# / HK91s but you can own a PTR91. Crazy.

Well, I'm glad I my tricked out Storm with compensator is legal.
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 1:06:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/20/2005 1:38:54 PM EDT by racer934]

Originally Posted By Phil1712:
Well, I'm glad I my tricked out Storm with compensator is legal.




Let me clarify - If your muzzle device is a comp and not a flash suppressor, you're A-OK. Don't put on a f/s if you are to bring it to CT.
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 1:36:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/20/2005 1:40:25 PM EDT by Phil1712]
Its a compensator al right...no flash was supressed the last time I took it shooting at dusk.
Link Posted: 8/22/2005 6:35:20 PM EDT
muzzle comp must be permanently PINNED ....the kicker is not what the goober at the end of the muzzle is as much as HOW it is attached.

In CT you can't have the externally threaded (common flash suppressor style) muzzle. That's what's in the law not whether or not the goober at the end qualifies as a "flash hider" per se.

The simplest explanation is this: apart from the specific named banned models and the three
banned "types" in CT law: AK (currently in 7.62x39 only); Thompson and MAC - everything else
is following the former post 9/94 Fed Ban criteria (except mags)

So, CT is forever "stuck" in 1994 (without a mag ban)
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