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Posted: 8/3/2005 9:10:14 AM EDT

I have a question about Arizona's policy on what counts as 'concealed carry' when you're transporting firearms in your vehicle. Doing web research wasn't too fruitful as I'm still not sure how they local police force interprets the law.

I usually toss a pistol and my AR in my truck on the weekends when I'm running to and from the range. But what is the correct handling of the pistol? I pop on a cable lock, put it in it's glock factory case, and toss it in my range bag unloaded. Ammo goes in the back of the truck and off I go.

Am I better off just leaving it loaded, in a holster and sitting in plain sight on the seat next to me as open carry? I'm realistic enough to know that the cops 99% of the time aren't going to hassel someone going to a gun range at 8am on a Saturday morning. But I'd hate to do something that wins me an unintentional weapons charge.

I figure it's safer to just get my CCW... which will be done by the end of this month, but until then, I'd love to know what folks experience/understanding is.

Link Posted: 8/3/2005 10:01:41 AM EDT

Originally Posted By AzDak:
I have a question about Arizona's policy on what counts as 'concealed carry' when you're transporting firearms in your vehicle. Doing web research wasn't too fruitful as I'm still not sure how they local police force interprets the law.

I usually toss a pistol and my AR in my truck on the weekends when I'm running to and from the range. But what is the correct handling of the pistol? I pop on a cable lock, put it in it's glock factory case, and toss it in my range bag unloaded. Ammo goes in the back of the truck and off I go.

Am I better off just leaving it loaded, in a holster and sitting in plain sight on the seat next to me as open carry? I'm realistic enough to know that the cops 99% of the time aren't going to hassel someone going to a gun range at 8am on a Saturday morning. But I'd hate to do something that wins me an unintentional weapons charge.

I figure it's safer to just get my CCW... which will be done by the end of this month, but until then, I'd love to know what folks experience/understanding is.




In AZ, you can carry a handgun (in any condidtion), anywhere in the vehicle, as long as it is in a holster. If it is not in a holster, then it must be in "plain sight" (on the dash, on the seat), or in a closeable storage compartment (glovebox, console), etc.

In sum, put it in a holster, and you can put it anywhere. If you are going to carry it in its original box, you can pretty much treat it as if it were in a holster.
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 11:45:29 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Joe_Blacke:


In sum, put it in a holster, and you can put it anywhere.


Except on your person, under clothing....
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 5:24:21 PM EDT
"In sum, put it in a holster, and you can put it anywhere"

This needs more clarification... I'm not sure that this is really correct.

When I moved here I looked into the firearms laws and one of the people I talked to (who runs a store supplying police equipment) put it this way, and I paraphrase:

"In Arizona there is essentially a "two step" law with regard to guns in vehicles. If you have a gun hidden under your car seat in a holster in such a way that you can just reach down and pull it out, that's against the law. It's only a one step process.

If, on the other hand you have the same gun tucked under your seat with the retention strap snapped closed over the firearm, you're within the law as it's a two step process to get to the gun- ie: Undo strap, pull out gun.

That's the way I understand the law and as such I carry a .45 in my car in a zippered case. The case is in plane view between the front seats but, to get to my gun I have to unzip the case first then pull it out- two steps.

I hope all to heck that I understand this correctly 'cause the last thing I need is firearms related infractions... I enjoy shooting too much for that!

Please, this is one of the most important threads we could ever expand on so post like crazy folks!

P.S. I keep a copy of the law in my glove compartment should it come into question... it reads:

F. Subsection A, paragraph 1 of this section shall not apply to a weapon or weapons carried in a belt holster which holster is wholly or partially visible, or carried in a scabbard or case designed for carrying weapons which scabbard or case is wholly or partially visible or carried in luggage. Subsection A, paragraph 2 of this section shall not apply to a weapon or weapons carried in a case, holster, scabbard, pack or luggage that is carried within a means of transportation or within a storage compartment, trunk or glove compartment of a means of transportation.

Link Posted: 8/3/2005 5:32:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Reload-:
"In sum, put it in a holster, and you can put it anywhere"

This needs more clarification... I'm not sure that this is really correct.

When I moved here I looked into the firearms laws and one of the people I talked to (who runs a store supplying police equipment) put it this way, and I paraphrase:

"In Arizona there is essentially a "two step" law with regard to guns in vehicles. If you have a gun hidden under your car seat in a holster in such a way that you can just reach down and pull it out, that's against the law. It's only a one step process.

If, on the other hand you have the same gun tucked under your seat with the retention strap snapped closed over the firearm, you're within the law as it's a two step process to get to the gun- ie: Undo strap, pull out gun.

That's the way I understand the law and as such I carry a .45 in my car in a zippered case. The case is in plane view between the front seats but, to get to my gun I have to unzip the case first then pull it out- two steps.

I hope all to heck that I understand this correctly 'cause the last thing I need is firearms related infractions... I enjoy shooting too much for that!

Please, this is one of the most important threads we could ever expand on so post like crazy folks!

P.S. I keep a copy of the law in my glove compartment should it come into question... it reads:

F. Subsection A, paragraph 1 of this section shall not apply to a weapon or weapons carried in a belt holster which holster is wholly or partially visible, or carried in a scabbard or case designed for carrying weapons which scabbard or case is wholly or partially visible or carried in luggage. Subsection A, paragraph 2 of this section shall not apply to a weapon or weapons carried in a case, holster, scabbard, pack or luggage that is carried within a means of transportation or within a storage compartment, trunk or glove compartment of a means of transportation.




No, it is correct. In a vehicle (not on your person), you can carry your firearm ANYWHERE as long as it is in a holster.

Lemme go find the Title 13 statute for you.
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 5:36:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/3/2005 5:37:42 PM EDT by Joe_Blacke]
Bolded to make it easy: Here is the url: www.azleg.state.az.us/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/13/03102.htm&Title=13&DocType=ARS

13-3102. Misconduct involving weapons; defenses; classification; definitions

A. A person commits misconduct involving weapons by knowingly:

1. Carrying a deadly weapon without a permit pursuant to section 13-3112 except a pocket knife concealed on his person; or

2. Carrying a deadly weapon without a permit pursuant to section 13-3112 concealed within immediate control of any person in or on a means of transportation; or

3. Manufacturing, possessing, transporting, selling or transferring a prohibited weapon; or

4. Possessing a deadly weapon or prohibited weapon if such person is a prohibited possessor; or

5. Selling or transferring a deadly weapon to a prohibited possessor; or

6. Defacing a deadly weapon; or

7. Possessing a defaced deadly weapon knowing the deadly weapon was defaced; or

8. Using or possessing a deadly weapon during the commission of any felony offense included in chapter 34 of this title; or

9. Discharging a firearm at an occupied structure in order to assist, promote or further the interests of a criminal street gang, a criminal syndicate or a racketeering enterprise; or

10. Unless specifically authorized by law, entering any public establishment or attending any public event and carrying a deadly weapon on his person after a reasonable request by the operator of the establishment or the sponsor of the event or the sponsor's agent to remove his weapon and place it in the custody of the operator of the establishment or the sponsor of the event; or

11. Unless specifically authorized by law, entering an election polling place on the day of any election carrying a deadly weapon; or

12. Possessing a deadly weapon on school grounds; or

13. Unless specifically authorized by law, entering a nuclear or hydroelectric generating station carrying a deadly weapon on his person or within the immediate control of any person; or

14. Supplying, selling or giving possession or control of a firearm to another person if the person knows or has reason to know that the other person would use the firearm in the commission of any felony; or

15. Using, possessing or exercising control over a deadly weapon in furtherance of any act of terrorism as defined in section 13-2301 or possessing or exercising control over a deadly weapon knowing or having reason to know that it will be used to facilitate any act of terrorism as defined in section 13-2301.

B. Subsection A, paragraph 1 of this section shall not apply to a person in his dwelling, on his business premises or on real property owned or leased by that person.

C. Subsection A, paragraphs 1, 2, 3, 7, 10, 11, 12 and 13 of this section shall not apply to:

1. A peace officer or any person summoned by any peace officer to assist and while actually assisting in the performance of official duties; or

2. A member of the military forces of the United States or of any state of the United States in the performance of official duties; or

3. A warden, deputy warden or correctional officer of the state department of corrections; or

4. A person specifically licensed, authorized or permitted pursuant to a statute of this state or of the United States.

D. Subsection A, paragraphs 3 and 7 of this section shall not apply to:

1. The possessing, transporting, selling or transferring of weapons by a museum as a part of its collection or an educational institution for educational purposes or by an authorized employee of such museum or institution, if:

(a) Such museum or institution is operated by the United States or this state or a political subdivision of this state, or by an organization described in section 170(c) of title 26 of the United States Code as a recipient of a charitable contribution; and

(b) Reasonable precautions are taken with respect to theft or misuse of such material.

2. The regular and lawful transporting as merchandise; or

3. Acquisition by a person by operation of law such as by gift, devise or descent or in a fiduciary capacity as a recipient of the property or former property of an insolvent, incapacitated or deceased person.

E. Subsection A, paragraph 3 of this section shall not apply to the merchandise of an authorized manufacturer of or dealer in prohibited weapons, when such material is intended to be manufactured, possessed, transported, sold or transferred solely for or to a dealer, a regularly constituted or appointed state, county or municipal police department or police officer, a detention facility, the military service of this or another state or the United States, a museum or educational institution or a person specifically licensed or permitted pursuant to federal or state law.

F. Subsection A, paragraph 1 of this section shall not apply to a weapon or weapons carried in a belt holster which holster is wholly or partially visible, or carried in a scabbard or case designed for carrying weapons which scabbard or case is wholly or partially visible or carried in luggage. Subsection A, paragraph 2 of this section shall not apply to a weapon or weapons carried in a case, holster, scabbard, pack or luggage that is carried within a means of transportation or within a storage compartment, trunk or glove compartment of a means of transportation.
G. Subsection A, paragraph 10 of this section shall not apply to shooting ranges or shooting events, hunting areas or similar locations or activities.

H. Subsection A, paragraph 3 of this section shall not apply to a weapon described in section 13-3101, subsection A, paragraph 7, subdivision (e), if such weapon is possessed for the purposes of preparing for, conducting or participating in lawful exhibitions, demonstrations, contests or athletic events involving the use of such weapon. Subsection A, paragraph 12 of this section shall not apply to a weapon if such weapon is possessed for the purposes of preparing for, conducting or participating in hunter or firearm safety courses.

I. Subsection A, paragraph 12 of this section shall not apply to the possession of a:

1. Firearm that is not loaded and that is carried within a means of transportation under the control of an adult provided that if the adult leaves the means of transportation the firearm shall not be visible from the outside of the means of transportation and the means of transportation shall be locked.

2. Firearm for use on the school grounds in a program approved by a school.

J. Misconduct involving weapons under subsection A, paragraph 9, 14 or 15 of this section is a class 3 felony. Misconduct involving weapons under subsection A, paragraph 3, 4, 8 or 13 of this section is a class 4 felony. Misconduct involving weapons under subsection A, paragraph 12 of this section is a class 1 misdemeanor unless the violation occurs in connection with conduct which violates the provisions of section 13-2308, subsection A, paragraph 5, section 13-2312, subsection C, section 13-3409 or section 13-3411, in which case the offense is a class 6 felony. Misconduct involving weapons under subsection A, paragraph 5, 6 or 7 of this section is a class 6 felony. Misconduct involving weapons under subsection A, paragraph 1, 2, 10 or 11 of this section is a class 1 misdemeanor.

K. For the purposes of this section:

1. "Public establishment" means a structure, vehicle or craft that is owned, leased or operated by this state or a political subdivision of this state.

2. "Public event" means a specifically named or sponsored event of limited duration either conducted by a public entity or conducted by a private entity with a permit or license granted by a public entity. Public event does not include an unsponsored gathering of people in a public place.

3. "School" means a public or nonpublic kindergarten program, common school or high school.

4. "School grounds" means in, or on the grounds of, a school.
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 5:49:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AZ-K9:

Originally Posted By Joe_Blacke:


In sum, put it in a holster, and you can put it anywhere.


Except on your person, under clothing....




Unless you have a CCW correct?
Link Posted: 8/4/2005 5:09:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/4/2005 5:12:59 AM EDT by Joe_Blacke]

Originally Posted By AZ-K9:

Originally Posted By Joe_Blacke:


In sum, put it in a holster, and you can put it anywhere.


Except on your person, under clothing....


Except on property owned, or leased by you.
Link Posted: 8/4/2005 5:10:50 AM EDT

Originally Posted By AZPLINKER:

Originally Posted By AZ-K9:

Originally Posted By Joe_Blacke:


In sum, put it in a holster, and you can put it anywhere.


Except on your person, under clothing....




Unless you have a CCW correct?



CCW allows you to conceal a firearm on your person in those places where open carrying a firearm is legal. So, for the most part, you are correct.
Link Posted: 8/4/2005 2:36:13 PM EDT
Remove the slide, fed ex the barrel to the range, lock the trigger guard, have the ammo in a car 500 yards behind me and put a big sign on the side of my truck "Armed citizen exercising their second amendment rights." I'd be ok? Oh wait, this is AZ, not CA. :P

Thanks for the feedback gents, it's much appreciated.

AzDak
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