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Posted: 9/24/2010 7:04:17 PM EDT
CPL + CCW in WA State bank of your choice...you're the customer.
Is it OK or not to carry concealed in your bank? |
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I know.
The teller kid asked me if I was the guy that asked him that; then realized I wasn't; then eyeballed the fannypack/cellphone/keys holder I use when in uniform at work ( I just went to the bank after work, and I carry a lot of keys ). "I'm the dude that's playin' the dude who's playin' another dude..." We'd talked about firearms once before... He insisted there is a 'law' that prohibits this 2A right and I told him I check my 'resources' for him. That's yooz guyz. So, is the kid right or mistaken? |
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It's private property. They can tell you you can't carry there, and trespass you if you refuse to cooperate, but there is no law against carrying in a bank.
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Smart ass. |
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Quoted: It's private property. They can tell you you can't carry there, and trespass you if you refuse to cooperate, but there is no law against carrying in a bank or taking your business elsewhere if they get pissy about it. |
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Concealed means concealed. and Quoted:
It's private property. They can tell you you can't carry there, and trespass you if you refuse to cooperate, but there is no law against carrying in a bank. I do it all the time would if I had any money that I needed to go to the bank for. If they told me not to carry in their bank, I would switch CU. |
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It is not one of the prohibited places listed in the state law.
Some states do prohibit carry in banks, WA does not. A lot of people for some reason think that banks are special places where carry is prohibited for whatever reason. Maybe they think it's federal ish property because the FBI investigates robberies there, or because they get confused about what FDIC is. I used to work security at the FDIC training center in VA, and so many people thought it was a bank. Um, no... learn to read, or maybe pay attention to your 7th grade history and you'll see it's a federal INSURANCE corporation that insures bank accounts. Some people think the fact that they are FDIC insured means they are off limits, or because they are federally regulated they are off limits. The North Carolina concealed carry FAQ says this. http://www.ncrpa.org/ccwfaq.htm Of course then this guy would have been in trouble too, when he used a gun to stop a robbery, http://blog.mlive.com/annarbornews/2008/06/bank_customer_pulls_gun_on_rob.html Just because it's federally insured would mean that it's illegal to carry in your own house if you're in a floodplain and have the federal flood insurance. Wait, firearm sales and dealers are federally mandated.... so does this mean I can't carry at work??? Hell, if anything you shouldn't be able to carry at Chrysler or GM plant or office bldg. (the dealerships are private franchises), since the bailout. |
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There is no federal or WA law that specifically prohibits carrying a firearm into a bank. If someone at my bank told me there was, I'd close out all of my business that I could there and go somewhere else. If I can trust them with my finances, why can't they trust me with my safety?
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No problem with concealed carry, personally I just open carry.
I had a problem with chase a few months back, after talking to their local head of security the consensus was that chase was fine with OC and he sent out a memo to all the local branches to let them know. T |
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Bank is a go, liquor store not so much. Technically liquor store is a go as well. T |
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Bank is a go, liquor store not so much. Technically liquor store is a go as well. T I agree, you can carry in in both unless they have a sign posted, then its not Federal/State, just their bidness saying they don't want it (like Costco and some local events centers). You won't go to jail, but you may never buy 10,000lbs of Cherios again. |
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Quoted: If there is no sign there it is fine I personally have only seen one private establishment, other than a bar, with a sign prohibiting CC. No sign = GTG.
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Quoted: I open carried everyday when I used to go to the bank daily. You had a gun? Really? That is sooo cool. |
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If there is no sign there it is fine I personally have only seen one private establishment, other than a bar, with a sign prohibiting CC. No sign = GTG. Sign or no sign "Concealed means concealed." You are not braking any laws... This is not Texas |
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Quoted: Quoted: Concealed means concealed. Concealed means Fucking Concealed |
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Bank is a go, liquor store not so much. Technically liquor store is a go as well. T Isn't there a sign on liquor stores, "Over 21 only"? If so, no go.... 9.41.300
Weapons prohibited in certain places — Local laws and ordinances — Exceptions — Penalty. (1) It is unlawful for any person to enter the following places when he or she knowingly possesses or knowingly has under his or her control a weapon: (a) The restricted access areas of a jail, or of a law enforcement facility, or any place used for the confinement of a person (i) arrested for, charged with, or convicted of an offense, (ii) held for extradition or as a material witness, or (iii) otherwise confined pursuant to an order of a court, except an order under chapter 13.32A or 13.34 RCW. Restricted access areas do not include common areas of egress or ingress open to the general public; (b) Those areas in any building which are used in connection with court proceedings, including courtrooms, jury rooms, judge's chambers, offices and areas used to conduct court business, waiting areas, and corridors adjacent to areas used in connection with court proceedings. The restricted areas do not include common areas of ingress and egress to the building that is used in connection with court proceedings, when it is possible to protect court areas without restricting ingress and egress to the building. The restricted areas shall be the minimum necessary to fulfill the objective of this subsection (1)(b). For purposes of this subsection (1)(b), "weapon" means any firearm, explosive as defined in RCW 70.74.010, or any weapon of the kind usually known as slung shot, sand club, or metal knuckles, or any knife, dagger, dirk, or other similar weapon that is capable of causing death or bodily injury and is commonly used with the intent to cause death or bodily injury. In addition, the local legislative authority shall provide either a stationary locked box sufficient in size for pistols and key to a weapon owner for weapon storage, or shall designate an official to receive weapons for safekeeping, during the owner's visit to restricted areas of the building. The locked box or designated official shall be located within the same building used in connection with court proceedings. The local legislative authority shall be liable for any negligence causing damage to or loss of a weapon either placed in a locked box or left with an official during the owner's visit to restricted areas of the building. The local judicial authority shall designate and clearly mark those areas where weapons are prohibited, and shall post notices at each entrance to the building of the prohibition against weapons in the restricted areas; (c) The restricted access areas of a public mental health facility certified by the department of social and health services for inpatient hospital care and state institutions for the care of the mentally ill, excluding those facilities solely for evaluation and treatment. Restricted access areas do not include common areas of egress and ingress open to the general public; (d) That portion of an establishment classified by the state liquor control board as off-limits to persons under twenty-one years of age; or (e) The restricted access areas of a commercial service airport designated in the airport security plan approved by the federal transportation security administration, including passenger screening checkpoints at or beyond the point at which a passenger initiates the screening process. These areas do not include airport drives, general parking areas and walkways, and shops and areas of the terminal that are outside the screening checkpoints and that are normally open to unscreened passengers or visitors to the airport. Any restricted access area shall be clearly indicated by prominent signs indicating that firearms and other weapons are prohibited in the area. (2) Cities, towns, counties, and other municipalities may enact laws and ordinances: (a) Restricting the discharge of firearms in any portion of their respective jurisdictions where there is a reasonable likelihood that humans, domestic animals, or property will be jeopardized. Such laws and ordinances shall not abridge the right of the individual guaranteed by Article I, section 24 of the state Constitution to bear arms in defense of self or others; and (b) Restricting the possession of firearms in any stadium or convention center, operated by a city, town, county, or other municipality, except that such restrictions shall not apply to: (i) Any pistol in the possession of a person licensed under RCW 9.41.070 (CPL––found this interesting) or exempt from the licensing requirement by RCW 9.41.060; or (ii) Any showing, demonstration, or lecture involving the exhibition of firearms. (3)(a) Cities, towns, and counties may enact ordinances restricting the areas in their respective jurisdictions in which firearms may be sold, but, except as provided in (b) of this subsection, a business selling firearms may not be treated more restrictively than other businesses located within the same zone. An ordinance requiring the cessation of business within a zone shall not have a shorter grandfather period for businesses selling firearms than for any other businesses within the zone. (b) Cities, towns, and counties may restrict the location of a business selling firearms to not less than five hundred feet from primary or secondary school grounds, if the business has a storefront, has hours during which it is open for business, and posts advertisements or signs observable to passersby that firearms are available for sale. A business selling firearms that exists as of the date a restriction is enacted under this subsection (3)(b) shall be grandfathered according to existing law. (4) Violations of local ordinances adopted under subsection (2) of this section must have the same penalty as provided for by state law. (5) The perimeter of the premises of any specific location covered by subsection (1) of this section shall be posted at reasonable intervals to alert the public as to the existence of any law restricting the possession of firearms on the premises. (6) Subsection (1) of this section does not apply to: (a) A person engaged in military activities sponsored by the federal or state governments, while engaged in official duties; (b) Law enforcement personnel, except that subsection (1)(b) of this section does apply to a law enforcement officer who is present at a courthouse building as a party to an action under chapter 10.14, 10.99, or 26.50 RCW, or an action under Title 26 RCW where any party has alleged the existence of domestic violence as defined in RCW 26.50.010; or (c) Security personnel while engaged in official duties. (7) Subsection (1)(a) of this section does not apply to a person licensed pursuant to RCW 9.41.070 who, upon entering the place or facility, directly and promptly proceeds to the administrator of the facility or the administrator's designee and obtains written permission to possess the firearm while on the premises or checks his or her firearm. The person may reclaim the firearms upon leaving but must immediately and directly depart from the place or facility. (8) Subsection (1)(c) of this section does not apply to any administrator or employee of the facility or to any person who, upon entering the place or facility, directly and promptly proceeds to the administrator of the facility or the administrator's designee and obtains written permission to possess the firearm while on the premises. (9) Subsection (1)(d) of this section does not apply to the proprietor of the premises or his or her employees while engaged in their employment. (10) Any person violating subsection (1) of this section is guilty of a gross misdemeanor. (11) "Weapon" as used in this section means any firearm, explosive as defined in RCW 70.74.010, or instrument or weapon listed in RCW 9.41.250. [2008 c 33 § 1. Prior: 2004 c 116 § 1; 2004 c 16 § 1; 1994 sp.s. c 7 § 429; 1993 c 396 § 1; 1985 c 428 § 2.] Notes: Finding –– Intent –– Severability –– 1994 sp.s. c 7: See notes following RCW 43.70.540. Effective date –– 1994 sp.s. c 7 §§ 401-410, 413-416, 418-437, and 439-460: See note following RCW 9.41.010. Severability –– 1985 c 428: See note following RCW 9.41.290. |
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Banker here.
Concealed carry is fine and legal. Open carry might get some attention, so just untuck your shirt to cover your piece and don't scare my cute young tellers, please (unless you are Loomis or Wells Fargo). You never know, some of them bankers may just be armed themselves, or so I hear. Feel free to rob us and leave quietly, but hurt somebody and hell-fire may open up unexpectedly (not directed at anyone replying here). Money is replaceable, people aren't. I confused one Loomis man when I asked him how he liked his model 66. He had no idea what I meant. |
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Banker here. Concealed carry is fine and legal. Open carry might get some attention, so just untuck your shirt to cover your piece and don't scare my cute young tellers, please (unless you are Loomis or Wells Fargo). You never know, some of them bankers may just be armed themselves, or so I hear. Feel free to rob us and leave quietly, but hurt somebody and hell-fire may open up unexpectedly (not directed at anyone replying here). Money is replaceable, people aren't. I confused one Loomis man when I asked him how he liked his model 66. He had no idea what I meant. i NEED TO BANK AT YOUR BRANCH.... |
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Quoted: Isn't there a sign on liquor stores, "Over 21 only"? If so, no go.... (d) That portion of an establishment classified by the state liquor control board as off-limits to persons under twenty-one years of age; Liquor stores are not restricted to 21 and over. Minors must be accompanied by an adult. |
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Spanky,
Come out to Aberdeen. Some of them are so cute, it hurts, and my pants get tight. |
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Isn't there a sign on liquor stores, "Over 21 only"? If so, no go.... (d) That portion of an establishment classified by the state liquor control board as off-limits to persons under twenty-one years of age; Liquor stores are not restricted to 21 and over. Minors must be accompanied by an adult. +1 The signs are just there for show. T |
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Quoted: I open carried everyday when I used to go to the bank daily. That's why the sperm bank has a restraining order against you. |
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Banker here. Concealed carry is fine and legal. Open carry might get some attention, so just untuck your shirt to cover your piece and don't scare my cute young tellers, please (unless you are Loomis or Wells Fargo). You never know, some of them bankers may just be armed themselves, or so I hear. Feel free to rob us and leave quietly, but hurt somebody and hell-fire may open up unexpectedly (not directed at anyone replying here). Money is replaceable, people aren't. I confused one Loomis man when I asked him how he liked his model 66. He had no idea what I meant. Pics or................. |
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Isn't there a sign on liquor stores, "Over 21 only"? If so, no go.... (d) That portion of an establishment classified by the state liquor control board as off-limits to persons under twenty-one years of age; Liquor stores are not restricted to 21 and over. Minors must be accompanied by an adult. This is what I was thinking, when I made my post about liquor stores. Still fuzzy on weather it's a go or not. Now if someone has open carried in a liquor store lets hear about that. |
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I dunno ... drinking at will in a liquor store doesn't seem to smart, too dizzy to walk out
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with chase a few months back, after talking to their local head of security the consensus was that chase was fine with OC I have CC'd and OC'd in Chase plenty. Had a few looks from tellers but never a conversation or confrontation about it. My little local credit union I've only CC'd in. They are flighty and I like them so I'm a bit more tactful with them. And some of them are hot too. |
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Liquor store clarification:
In WA state liquor stores are not 21 and over establishments. They are 21 and over unless acompanied by an adult. There is a difference. Since all the liquor stores are also currently run by the state, they also can not set a no firearm policy (same as city parks, dmv, so on). So if you come across any liquor store that has a no firearms sign or they try and give you grief about it, contact the state liquor board and they will correct the issue quickly (they have been fantastic about doing this in the past). Edit: And I OC in my bank all the time. |
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Liquor store clarification: In WA state liquor stores are not 21 and over establishments. They are 21 and over unless acompanied by an adult. There is a difference. Since all the liquor stores are also currently run by the state, they also can not set a no firearm policy (same as city parks, dmv, so on). So if you come across any liquor store that has a no firearms sign or they try and give you grief about it, contact the state liquor board and they will correct the issue quickly (they have been fantastic about doing this in the past). Edit: And I OC in my bank all the time. Yes. I carry openly when I visit the liquor store- no drama. |
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open carried in Chase bank in Lakewood today without a problem..
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Last time I stopped in at the bank, the employee who originated the idea for this thread said:
"Hey! You were RIGHT!" |
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Liquor store clarification: In WA state liquor stores are not 21 and over establishments. They are 21 and over unless acompanied by an adult. There is a difference. Since all the liquor stores are also currently run by the state, they also can not set a no firearm policy (same as city parks, dmv, so on). So if you come across any liquor store that has a no firearms sign or they try and give you grief about it, contact the state liquor board and they will correct the issue quickly (they have been fantastic about doing this in the past). Edit: And I OC in my bank all the time. Anybody hear Bryan Suits talking about the toybox at the Woodinville(I think) Store? That was classic. |
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My teller was like 'well, of course you are.' I get the same attitude from policemen. |
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Banks are OK with it as long as you notify them as you enter. The preferred method is to unholster your firearm, hold it over your head and yell out "I've got a gun!". They would appreciate this MO at the airports as well. No need to thank me.
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actually, liquor stores are not restricted to those 21 and over, you just can't touch or purchase anything if you're under the "magic age"....I'll occasionally take my 10 year old in with me & as long as I"ve got her under my control or she behaves, no0thing has ever been said....
and although concealed means concealed, I"ve often open carried into a liquor store & not one word has been said those few liquor stores that ban firearms (or at least try to) are in direct violation of state preemption & there is no avenue for prosecution if someone should turn sheeple & call in a MWAG Edit to add: After having a poor conversation with the branch manager of a local Chase branch, and being told that I could, under no circumstances, carry a weapon in "HIS" branch, I contacted Chase's Corporate security department....after several transfers, I finally talked to a supervisor by the name of Danielle who informed me that Chase has no formal firearms policy for their customers, and that the final decision is left up to each individual manager. Danielle also went on to explain that there are some managers that try to refuse entry to Chase Security when they're wearing weapons |
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and although concealed means concealed, I"ve often open carried into a liquor store & not one word has been said those few liquor stores that ban firearms (or at least try to) are in direct violation of state preemption & there is no avenue for prosecution if someone should turn sheeple & call in a MWAG You do know that some liquor stores in WA are privately owned businesses, on privately owned property, run by employees that do not get their paychecks from the state, don't you? Stevenson is a prime example of this scenario. If they don't want anyone in there with a gun, and they ask you to leave, and you refuse, you are not trespassing? |
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Banks are OK with it as long as you notify them as you enter. The preferred method is to unholster your firearm, hold it over your head and yell out "I've got a gun!". They would appreciate this MO at the airports as well. No need to thank me. Off to test this theory... |
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Quoted: You do know that some liquor stores in WA are privately owned businesses, on privately owned property, run by employees that do not get their paychecks from the state, don't you? Stevenson is a prime example of this scenario. If they don't want anyone in there with a gun, and they ask you to leave, and you refuse, you are not trespassing? Umm... What? Tell me one liquor store in this state that isn't run by the liquor board and I will tell you one that is illegal. As far as I am aware, the only people who can sell spirits besides the state are the actual manufacturers at their location. (Example, Dry Fly selling out of their distillery location in Spokane). |
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and although concealed means concealed, I"ve often open carried into a liquor store & not one word has been said those few liquor stores that ban firearms (or at least try to) are in direct violation of state preemption & there is no avenue for prosecution if someone should turn sheeple & call in a MWAG You do know that some liquor stores in WA are privately owned businesses, on privately owned property, run by employees that do not get their paychecks from the state, don't you? Stevenson is a prime example of this scenario. If they don't want anyone in there with a gun, and they ask you to leave, and you refuse, you are not trespassing? to be honest, I didn't even think of the privately owned stores, but you are correct in that because its a private business that they can restrict firearms....and anyone who refuses to leave, whether the owner/proprietor is mistaken or not, is guilty of trespass....prudent action would be to remain calm, attempt to talk to the person & if they insist that they're right, leave & take it up with corporate/management after....no sense going to jail or getting the popo involved over a "he said, she said" scenario |
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You do know that some liquor stores in WA are privately owned businesses, on privately owned property, run by employees that do not get their paychecks from the state, don't you? Stevenson is a prime example of this scenario. If they don't want anyone in there with a gun, and they ask you to leave, and you refuse, you are not trespassing? Umm... What? Tell me one liquor store in this state that isn't run by the liquor board and I will tell you one that is illegal. As far as I am aware, the only people who can sell spirits besides the state are the actual manufacturers at their location. (Example, Dry Fly selling out of their distillery location in Spokane). YOPD mentioned one, and while I'm not familiar with that particular store, it brings to mind the ace hardware store in Pateros...private business, yet youi can still buy spirits from them |
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My aunt owned a liquor store for years I worked in it every holiday season for years. Privately owned, State regulated.
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