Why the hell did this guy join the Military?

I asked myself the same question, between gunship missions. As long as he keeps pulling the trigger, he can philosophise all he wants.

At least we know he's guaranteed to not get laid with those glasses on.

Quoted: Why the hell did this guy join the Military?

He wanted to travel to exciting, distant lands; meet exotic, unusual people--and kill them.

What I puss, I would smoke his ass for putting that crap on the net.....

Quoted: What I puss, I would smoke his ass for putting that crap on the net.....

Please tell me he's a PFC, not a SSG.  I couldn't tell, with the high-quality video and all.

Hopefully someone in his unit recognizes him and kicks his ass...err I mean respectfully talks to him about it.

Nice BCG's btw.

Quoted: Hopefully someone in his unit recognizes him and kicks his ass...err I mean respectfully talks to him about it. Nice BCG's btw.

Its funny how units, tend to work this stuff out...Im imagine a sick call visit in his future.

Quoted: Please tell me he's a PFC, not a SSG.  I couldn't tell, with the high-quality video and all.

Looked like SGT E-5 rank to me. Its frickin NCO's like this Ass-wipe that are ruining the Army. I'm not a big fan of killing people either, but damn, its a volunteer force and this guy has either enlisted, or re-enlisted since the war began. He knew what he was getting into when he raised his right hand.

Quoted: Quoted: Please tell me he's a PFC, not a SSG.  I couldn't tell, with the high-quality video and all. Looked like SGT E-5 rank to me. Its frickin NCO's like this Ass-wipe that are ruining the Army. I'm not a big fan of killing people either, but damn, its a volunteer force and this guy has either enlisted, or re-enlisted since the war began. He knew what he was getting into when he raised his right hand.

I dunno. . . it sure looks like there's a rocker on that rank.

They don't make 'em like they used to.

Quoted: Quoted: Please tell me he's a PFC, not a SSG.  I couldn't tell, with the high-quality video and all. Looked like SGT E-5 rank to me. Its frickin NCO's like this Ass-wipe that are ruining the Army. I'm not a big fan of killing people either, but damn, its a volunteer force and this guy has either enlisted, or re-enlisted since the war began. He knew what he was getting into when he raised his right hand.

I just watched this again and now im back to being pissed off.  I see a rocker there too, not to mention his 3rd I.D. patch.  Whats upsetting is that he isnt commenting about the war, he is flat out saying that guns are the root of evil.  Fucking DOUSCHE!!!

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Please tell me he's a PFC, not a SSG.  I couldn't tell, with the high-quality video and all. Looked like SGT E-5 rank to me. Its frickin NCO's like this Ass-wipe that are ruining the Army. I'm not a big fan of killing people either, but damn, its a volunteer force and this guy has either enlisted, or re-enlisted since the war began. He knew what he was getting into when he raised his right hand. I just watched this again and now im back to being pissed off.  I see a rocker there too, not to mention his 3rd I.D. patch.  Whats upsetting is that he isnt commenting about the war, he is flat out saying that guns are the root of evil.  Fucking DOUSCHE!!!

If one of your guys did that, would you beat the Honor, Courage & Commitment back into them?  I'd hope so.

We've got a shitload of those in the Air Guard.  At least our shop provides quite the counterbalance.

Man, I need some trigger time. . .

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Please tell me he's a PFC, not a SSG.  I couldn't tell, with the high-quality video and all. Looked like SGT E-5 rank to me. Its frickin NCO's like this Ass-wipe that are ruining the Army. I'm not a big fan of killing people either, but damn, its a volunteer force and this guy has either enlisted, or re-enlisted since the war began. He knew what he was getting into when he raised his right hand. I just watched this again and now im back to being pissed off.  I see a rocker there too, not to mention his 3rd I.D. patch.  Whats upsetting is that he isnt commenting about the war, he is flat out saying that guns are the root of evil.  Fucking DOUSCHE!!! If one of your guys did that, would you beat the Honor, Courage & Commitment back into them?  I'd hope so. We've got a shitload of those in the Air Guard.  At least our shop provides quite the counterbalance. Man, I need some trigger time. . .

Im not trying to get into a pissing contest, but I dont know any Marines like that.  I think its because im infantry and that has a tendancy to attract the gun loving crazies like me!  Who the hell joines the infantry and thinks guns are evil?  I cant speak for the desk jockey type Marines and WMs though.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Please tell me he's a PFC, not a SSG.  I couldn't tell, with the high-quality video and all. Looked like SGT E-5 rank to me. Its frickin NCO's like this Ass-wipe that are ruining the Army. I'm not a big fan of killing people either, but damn, its a volunteer force and this guy has either enlisted, or re-enlisted since the war began. He knew what he was getting into when he raised his right hand. I just watched this again and now im back to being pissed off.  I see a rocker there too, not to mention his 3rd I.D. patch.  Whats upsetting is that he isnt commenting about the war, he is flat out saying that guns are the root of evil.  Fucking DOUSCHE!!! If one of your guys did that, would you beat the Honor, Courage & Commitment back into them?  I'd hope so. We've got a shitload of those in the Air Guard.  At least our shop provides quite the counterbalance. Man, I need some trigger time. . . Im not trying to get into a pissing contest, but I dont know any Marines like that.  I think its because im infantry and that has a tendancy to attract the gun loving crazies like me!  Who the hell joines the infantry and thinks guns are evil?  I cant speak for the desk jockey type Marines and WMs though.

To paraphrase the great General George S. Patton, I guess he'd rather tell his grandchildren that he shoveled shit in Louisiana.  

The machinegun was developed by a doctor to make war more humane.

If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter. George Washington

Hell, I never met any Air Wingers like that in the Corps.  I mean, I used to joke about "I thought the recruiter said Peace Corps", but thats jokes, and SSgt BCGs there certainly has his misshapen head up his ass.

The Signal Corps in the Army were kinda split with the attitudes.  My MOS had the privelage of being attached to any type of unit including combat arms platoons.  Those that had been with the eleven-bang-bangs and the like had a much more positive attitude about the military compared to those that served only in headquarters units.

I think that you guys are reading a bit too much into it. I don't see him as blaming guns for the world's problems and I don't see the problem with contemplating why we spend so much effort trying to kill each other.

Quoted: I think that you guys are reading a bit too much into it. I don't see him as blaming guns for the world's problems and I don't see the problem with contemplating why we spend so much effort trying to kill each other.

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Quoted: I think that you guys are reading a bit too much into it. I don't see him as blaming guns for the world's problems and I don't see the problem with contemplating why we spend so much effort trying to kill each other.

Yup, ya gotta ask the questions before you get the answers.

The answers are pretty straight forward, too.

Quoted: The Signal Corps in the Army were kinda split with the attitudes.  My MOS had the privelage of being attached to any type of unit including combat arms platoons.  Those that had been with the eleven-bang-bangs and the like had a much more positive attitude about the military compared to those that served only in headquarters units.

Only 2 MOS's Infantry and support..HOOAH!! ouch, such false motivation in the morning is painful..

Quoted: Quoted: I think that you guys are reading a bit too much into it. I don't see him as blaming guns for the world's problems and I don't see the problem with contemplating why we spend so much effort trying to kill each other. +

As long as this shit(Guns) exist, there will allways be evil in the world.

So Strat and Boomer...  You agree with this guy that it is weaponry that makes mankind evil?  Well you EVIL people, by all means we can make thing all better!  Lets get rid of all guns.  Then we will live in an evil free world.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think that you guys are reading a bit too much into it. I don't see him as blaming guns for the world's problems and I don't see the problem with contemplating why we spend so much effort trying to kill each other. + As long as this shit(Guns) exist, there will allways be evil in the world. So Strat and Boomer...  You agree with this guy that it is weaponry that makes mankind evil?  Well you EVIL people, by all means we can make thing all better!  Lets get rid of all guns.  Then we will live in an evil free world.

I got dibs on all the M1As we confiscate....ah liberate..take..sieze??All your guns belong to us...(insert sarcasm and kidding here)...

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think that you guys are reading a bit too much into it. I don't see him as blaming guns for the world's problems and I don't see the problem with contemplating why we spend so much effort trying to kill each other. + As long as this shit(Guns) exist, there will allways be evil in the world. So Strat and Boomer...  You agree with this guy that it is weaponry that makes mankind evil?  Well you EVIL people, by all means we can make thing all better!  Lets get rid of all guns.  Then we will live in an evil free world.

I think what he said is open to interpretation and I would need to know more about the context in which it was said before making any final judgements about the guy. Maybe he's suffering from PTSD or the beginnings of some sort of pychological problems from combat or being deployed. Who knows. Must every member of the military think and believe exactly as you?

Quoted: I think what he said is open to interpretation and I would need to know more about the context in which it was said before making any final judgements about the guy. Maybe he's suffering from PTSD or the beginnings of some sort of pychological problems from combat or being deployed. Who knows. Must every member of the military think and believe exactly as you?

Anyone can think how ever they want to themself, but to be honest, I wouldnt want him on my 6.  That kind of attitude is BAD for unit morale, and that is all you have to get you through the shitty times.

Like I said its not his stance on the war that really grinds on me, its his bad mouthing of firearms, which is the bread and butter of his chosen profession.  

Do we not all agree that it is the man behind the stock of that SAW that makes the choice to kill?  Isnt the idea that a weapon has no mind, the basis of protecting our rights?  

Like I said, I think that you are reading too much into a 49 second video clip. For all you know he is a top notch gunner.

I can't exactly blame him for being disillusioned with fighting what has turned out to be a BS war.

Quoted: So Strat and Boomer...  You agree with this guy that it is weaponry that makes mankind evil?  Well you EVIL people, by all means we can make thing all better!  Lets get rid of all guns.  Then we will live in an evil free world.

As I already posted above the machinegun was developed by a doctor to make war more humane, the person in the video is questioning why some people put so much time and energy into devising implements to better kill other human beings with, the subject in the video is just questioning why a few people put so much effort into making the job of killing each other easier.

Yes his philosophy leaves a lot to be desired in the process of seeking knowledge and getting wisdom but at least he still questions, he is at least thinking, flawed as it is but at least he is thinking and that is to be applauded.

Strat

Thinking is all well and good. Hopefully we all indulge in progressive thinking.

Problem is you can not un-invent anything.

All you can do is try to stay on the upside of the curve.

Quoted: Quoted: So Strat and Boomer...  You agree with this guy that it is weaponry that makes mankind evil?  Well you EVIL people, by all means we can make thing all better!  Lets get rid of all guns.  Then we will live in an evil free world. As I already posted above the machinegun was developed by a doctor to make war more humane, the person in the video is questioning why some people put so much time and energy into devising implements to better kill other human beings with, the subject in the video is just questioning why a few people put so much effort into making the job of killing each other easier. Yes his philosophy leaves a lot to be desired in the process of seeking knowledge and getting wisdom but at least he still questions, he is at least thinking, flawed as it is but at least he is thinking and that is to be applauded.

I have made it clear that my issue with this guy is his demonizing of weapons.  Your hands are perfectly suited to kill another man, but you have only God to blame for that design.  It is the man not the Machine.

Quoted: I have made it clear that my issue with this guy is his demonizing of weapons.  Your hands are perfectly suited to kill another man, but you have only God to blame for that design.  It is the man not the Machine.

You are putting too much emphasis on the material and not listening to the intent of his questioning, he is more concerned with man "killing his fellow man" than the implement used, yes the belt fed appears to be the focus but it is the minor aspect of the dilemma.

Besides there is a bit of sarcasm in his delivery.

I think the guy was asking some legitimate questions about humanity.  The gun was just a focus of attention at the moment and a convenient prop.  He could have said the same about a lot of our tools and devices that were created originally to help us kill other human beings.

I don't know the answer to this, but either way it would be interesting.  What was steel first used for?  The sword or the plow?

It is true that there is a lot of ingenuity that goes into making our killing machines.  and I do think that it would be better if we could channel that creativeness, ingenuity, and drive into creating something that would better mankind.

Militaries, and police forces are a necessary evil.  The fact that they have to exist at all is what's evil.  That people can't just get along without someone trying to control or kill, or take advantage of others.

We really are a fucked up species.  Probably no worse than others, just more clever with our tools.

Quoted: I got dibs on all the M1As we confiscate....ah liberate..take..sieze??All your guns belong to us...(insert sarcasm and kidding here)...

Fine, you can have the M1A, but could you do me a favor and "misplace" the rest on my front porch?....

It has been mentioned that the dude in the vid is asking suitable questions about humanity.

I submit that he is a flaming retard.

For asking the questions? No.  But rather for not thinking through the question.  It is one thing to question, it is entirely another to think for ones self as it is clear that this guy did not.

If all you do is question without attempting to find the answer, then you are just as useless as a 3 year old child with the whole "why, why, why, why" thing.

The obvious answer, should this guy think through it, is that man, by his very nature is instinctually agressive.  That is how the strong sruvive and procreate, and the weak don't.  It stems from our early days when we had to fight for resources and the avalible females of the species.

Since then, our combined conscience has obviously become more structured and logic based rather then emotion based, but the instincts are still there.

With our ability to think and make tools, combined with our understanding that there will always be evil in this world, we as mankind, will continually use the inherent talent of our species to create more tools to accomplish tasks that we otherwise could not do.  When it comes to defending ourselves and keeping evil in check, we invent weapons.

If anything, the invention of the firearm exists for two simple reasons.  One, to provide an extension of our desire to command everything within our viewable space, ranging from contact to as far as our eyes can see, and two, to protect ourselves from those who would do so in an evil manner.

While guns, as any tool, can be used for evil purposes, they are in fact the ultimate expression of our desire to protect ourselves from those who would do evil, and in being so, are the best example of mankinds desire to retain freedom and remain civil, and thus continue to grow as a society rather then become stagnant under the despotic rule of an oppressive group or person who retains complete power.

The soldier in this vid gets no points for not thinking through his question and even attempting to understand the base reality of human nature and how we instinctivly view the world around us.

At least thats my take on it. Your milage may vary.
I predict that this will be the post that kills this thread

Quoted: Quoted: I got dibs on all the M1As we confiscate....ah liberate..take..sieze??All your guns belong to us...(insert sarcasm and kidding here)... Fine, you can have the M1A, but could you do me a favor and "misplace" the rest on my front porch?.... It has been mentioned that the dude in the vid is asking suitable questions about humanity. I submit that he is a flaming retard. For asking the questions? No.  But rather for not thinking through the question.  It is one thing to question, it is entirely another to think for ones self as it is clear that this guy did not. If all you do is question without attempting to find the answer, then you are just as useless as a 3 year old child with the whole "why, why, why, why" thing. The obvious answer, should this guy think through it, is that man, by his very nature is instinctually agressive.  That is how the strong sruvive and procreate, and the weak don't.  It stems from our early days when we had to fight for resources and the avalible females of the species. Since then, our combined conscience has obviously become more structured and logic based rather then emotion based, but the instincts are still there. With our ability to think and make tools, combined with our understanding that there will always be evil in this world, we as mankind, will continually use the inherent talent of our species to create more tools to accomplish tasks that we otherwise could not do.  When it comes to defending ourselves and keeping evil in check, we invent weapons. If anything, the invention of the firearm exists for two simple reasons.  One, to provide an extension of our desire to command everything within our viewable space, ranging from contact to as far as our eyes can see, and two, to protect ourselves from those who would do so in an evil manner. While guns, as any tool, can be used for evil purposes, they are in fact the ultimate expression of our desire to protect ourselves from those who would do evil, and in being so, are the best example of mankinds desire to retain freedom and remain civil, and thus continue to grow as a society rather then become stagnant under the despotic rule of an oppressive group or person who retains complete power. The soldier in this vid gets no points for not thinking through his question and even attempting to understand the base reality of human nature and how we instinctivly view the world around us. At least thats my take on it. Your milage may vary.

YEAH, WHAT HE SAID!!!  

Actually I took his statement as an attempt at humor. He seemed to have the same seriousness as your typical stand up comedian. I looked to me like he was paroding the way that comercials are made.

Quoted: Besides there is a bit of sarcasm in his delivery.

I was kinda thinking that myself.

Quoted: Actually I took his statement as an attempt at humor. He seemed to have the same seriousness as your typical stand up comedian. I looked to me like he was paroding the way that comercials are made.

Alot of what military people say and do, has alot of sarcasm/black humor/kidding or we are just plain trying to piss people off because we think its funny(but you didnt hear that from me)...