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Posted: 8/9/2014 5:42:53 PM EDT
.....thinking of taking it to deer camp this year with my FUDD relatives at Chickasawhatchee near Albany...

GTG?
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Link Posted: 8/9/2014 7:43:01 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By makeitflyfast:

I say yes gtg.

Keep track of the laws for your own sake though.
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Originally Posted By makeitflyfast:
Originally Posted By molardog:
.....thinking of taking it to deer camp this year with my FUDD relatives at Chickasawhatchee near Albany...

GTG?

I say yes gtg.

Keep track of the laws for your own sake though.



Source? I didn't think the DNR has ruled on this yet????

I hope I am wrong.
Link Posted: 8/9/2014 8:24:05 PM EDT
So far the regs say private property with the owner's permission. I haven't seen anything about public land yet.
Link Posted: 8/10/2014 3:35:35 AM EDT
WMAs fall under the DNR, and according to one local warden, it is up to the individual warden.

I am sure that the individual warden will be directed by the higher ups at the DNR.

So get on the phones and emails, and contact the State DNR and make your voices heard.

Great strides were made in getting the bill passed, but do not give up.

The whole permission things needs to be done away with, and with pressure it can be done.

Rich
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Originally Posted By GAcop:
So far the regs say private property with the owner's permission. I haven't seen anything about public land yet.
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This is my understanding as well.
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This is my understanding as well.
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Originally Posted By MIDGAPATRIOT:
Originally Posted By GAcop:
So far the regs say private property with the owner's permission. I haven't seen anything about public land yet.



This is my understanding as well.



Did some digging around online. Like you said, the hunting regs for this year only address private property. Guess I will leave the can at home and not risk getting "permission" from some warden over the phone.
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Game warden permission is a crap idea .
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Game warden permission is a crap idea .
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+1


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Originally Posted By whiskerz:
Game warden permission is a crap idea .
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Yup. Pretty dumb. Tired of govt. permission slips.
Link Posted: 8/11/2014 8:42:37 AM EDT
Just downloaded the new hunt regs pdf. The word suppressor only appears twice:

• Suppressors: Lawfully possessed suppressors may be used for hunting
on private property. Permission of the landowner is required.
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So no suppressors on WMAs is my interpretation, regardless of DNR permission.

Regs PDF here.
Link Posted: 8/11/2014 9:47:58 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By RamblinWreck:
Just downloaded the new hunt regs pdf. The word suppressor only appears twice:

So no suppressors on WMAs is my interpretation, regardless of DNR permission.

Regs PDF here.
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I unfortunately came to the same conclusion. WMA isn't private property and the DNR was presumably strongly against hunting with suppressors to begin with so they won't find in our favor. My property actually borders a WMA and I can walk to my hunting spot, but I am rejoining a club down the road mainly so I can hunt with a suppressor this year. It sounds like there is still work to be done to get this officially expanded to public land.


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Originally Posted By makeitflyfast:

I say yes gtg.

Keep track of the laws for your own sake though.
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Originally Posted By makeitflyfast:
Originally Posted By molardog:
.....thinking of taking it to deer camp this year with my FUDD relatives at Chickasawhatchee near Albany...

GTG?

I say yes gtg.

Keep track of the laws for your own sake though.

What does that even mean? How can you endose an action as GTG without even knowing the law? This is the type of "advice" that gets people in all sort of trouble, to include arrest and prosecution. And the game warden will not be impressed when someone says "but arfcom said I was gtg!".

Here is the actual law.

(9) The use of silencers or suppressors for hunting within this state is prohibited; provided, however, that a silencer or suppressor may be used for hunting on the private property of the person using such silencer or suppressor, on private property for which the owner of such property has provided verifiable permission to the person using such silencer or suppressor, and on public lands in areas designated by the department.

(b) (1) It shall be illegal to use a silencer or suppressor for hunting in violation of paragraph (9) of subsection (a) of this Code section. A person who violates the provisions of this paragraph shall be guilty of a misdemeanor.

(2) The hunting privileges of any person who has been convicted of violating the provisions of this title or any rule or regulation promulgated pursuant thereto by hunting without landowner permission, hunting in an area that is closed for hunting, or hunting big game out of season or at night with a firearm equipped with a suppressor shall be suspended for three years.

It would seem to be a reasonable ASSUMPTION that DNR has declined to make any public lands "designated", interpreting the 2014-15 hunting booklet. But the only way to know for sure would be to call DNR and ask.
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Link Posted: 8/11/2014 10:48:55 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By wtturn:

What does that even mean? How can you endose an action as GTG without even knowing the law? This is the type of "advice" that gets people in all sort of trouble, to include arrest and prosecution. And the game warden will not be impressed when someone says "but arfcom said I was gtg!".

Here is the actual law.

(9) The use of silencers or suppressors for hunting within this state is prohibited; provided, however, that a silencer or suppressor may be used for hunting on the private property of the person using such silencer or suppressor, on private property for which the owner of such property has provided verifiable permission to the person using such silencer or suppressor, and on public lands in areas designated by the department.


(b) (1) It shall be illegal to use a silencer or suppressor for hunting in violation of paragraph (9) of subsection (a) of this Code section. A person who violates the provisions of this paragraph shall be guilty of a misdemeanor.


(2) The hunting privileges of any person who has been convicted of violating the provisions of this title or any rule or regulation promulgated pursuant thereto by hunting without landowner permission, hunting in an area that is closed for hunting, or hunting big game out of season or at night with a firearm equipped with a suppressor shall be suspended for three years.


It would seem to be a reasonable ASSUMPTION that DNR has declined to make any public lands "designated", interpreting the 2014-15 hunting booklet. But the only way to know for sure would be to call DNR and ask.
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Originally Posted By wtturn:
Originally Posted By makeitflyfast:
Originally Posted By molardog:
.....thinking of taking it to deer camp this year with my FUDD relatives at Chickasawhatchee near Albany...

GTG?

I say yes gtg.

Keep track of the laws for your own sake though.

What does that even mean? How can you endose an action as GTG without even knowing the law? This is the type of "advice" that gets people in all sort of trouble, to include arrest and prosecution. And the game warden will not be impressed when someone says "but arfcom said I was gtg!".

Here is the actual law.

(9) The use of silencers or suppressors for hunting within this state is prohibited; provided, however, that a silencer or suppressor may be used for hunting on the private property of the person using such silencer or suppressor, on private property for which the owner of such property has provided verifiable permission to the person using such silencer or suppressor, and on public lands in areas designated by the department.


(b) (1) It shall be illegal to use a silencer or suppressor for hunting in violation of paragraph (9) of subsection (a) of this Code section. A person who violates the provisions of this paragraph shall be guilty of a misdemeanor.


(2) The hunting privileges of any person who has been convicted of violating the provisions of this title or any rule or regulation promulgated pursuant thereto by hunting without landowner permission, hunting in an area that is closed for hunting, or hunting big game out of season or at night with a firearm equipped with a suppressor shall be suspended for three years.


It would seem to be a reasonable ASSUMPTION that DNR has declined to make any public lands "designated", interpreting the 2014-15 hunting booklet. But the only way to know for sure would be to call DNR and ask.


I think you are right. The lack of wording regarding state land worries me, phone approval or not.
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Originally Posted By RamblinWreck:
Just downloaded the new hunt regs pdf. The word suppressor only appears twice:



So no suppressors on WMAs is my interpretation, regardless of DNR permission.

Regs PDF here.
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Originally Posted By RamblinWreck:
Just downloaded the new hunt regs pdf. The word suppressor only appears twice:

• Suppressors: Lawfully possessed suppressors may be used for hunting
on private property. Permission of the landowner is required.


So no suppressors on WMAs is my interpretation, regardless of DNR permission.

Regs PDF here.



Aren't laws usually meant to restrict actions rather than grant them? Shouldn't that mean that we are allowed because they are not strictly forbidding it?

Link Posted: 8/11/2014 12:24:26 PM EDT
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Aren't laws usually meant to restrict actions rather than grant them? Shouldn't that mean that we are allowed because they are not strictly forbidding it?

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Originally Posted By gajeep94yj:
Originally Posted By RamblinWreck:
Just downloaded the new hunt regs pdf. The word suppressor only appears twice:

• Suppressors: Lawfully possessed suppressors may be used for hunting
on private property. Permission of the landowner is required.


So no suppressors on WMAs is my interpretation, regardless of DNR permission.

Regs PDF here.



Aren't laws usually meant to restrict actions rather than grant them? Shouldn't that mean that we are allowed because they are not strictly forbidding it?



Interesting angle here. State code would seemingly apply to state property no?
Link Posted: 8/11/2014 3:09:59 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By gajeep94yj:



Aren't laws usually meant to restrict actions rather than grant them? Shouldn't that mean that we are allowed because they are not strictly forbidding it?

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Originally Posted By gajeep94yj:
Originally Posted By RamblinWreck:
Just downloaded the new hunt regs pdf. The word suppressor only appears twice:

• Suppressors: Lawfully possessed suppressors may be used for hunting
on private property. Permission of the landowner is required.


So no suppressors on WMAs is my interpretation, regardless of DNR permission.

Regs PDF here.



Aren't laws usually meant to restrict actions rather than grant them? Shouldn't that mean that we are allowed because they are not strictly forbidding it?


It IS strictly forbidden, with exceptions.

Exception one: on private property

Exception two: On state land that the DNR approves.

The DNR apparently approves no state land.

Thus, hunting on state land with silencers is forbidden (at this moment in time).
Link Posted: 8/11/2014 3:26:47 PM EDT
I am not arguing with you because I believe you are correct, but where it is strictly forbidden? In the GA state law or the hunting regs?
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Originally Posted By gajeep94yj:
I am not arguing with you because I believe you are correct, but where it is strictly forbidden? In the GA state law or the hunting regs?
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The regs are written directly from the OCGA
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Originally Posted By makeitflyfast:

I posted that before the updated regs came out.
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Originally Posted By wtturn:
Originally Posted By makeitflyfast:
Originally Posted By molardog:
.....thinking of taking it to deer camp this year with my FUDD relatives at Chickasawhatchee near Albany...

GTG?

I say yes gtg.

Keep track of the laws for your own sake though.

What does that even mean? How can you endose an action as GTG without even knowing the law? This is the type of "advice" that gets people in all sort of trouble, to include arrest and prosecution. And the game warden will not be impressed when someone says "but arfcom said I was gtg!".

Here is the actual law.

(9) The use of silencers or suppressors for hunting within this state is prohibited; provided, however, that a silencer or suppressor may be used for hunting on the private property of the person using such silencer or suppressor, on private property for which the owner of such property has provided verifiable permission to the person using such silencer or suppressor, and on public lands in areas designated by the department.


(b) (1) It shall be illegal to use a silencer or suppressor for hunting in violation of paragraph (9) of subsection (a) of this Code section. A person who violates the provisions of this paragraph shall be guilty of a misdemeanor.


(2) The hunting privileges of any person who has been convicted of violating the provisions of this title or any rule or regulation promulgated pursuant thereto by hunting without landowner permission, hunting in an area that is closed for hunting, or hunting big game out of season or at night with a firearm equipped with a suppressor shall be suspended for three years.


It would seem to be a reasonable ASSUMPTION that DNR has declined to make any public lands "designated", interpreting the 2014-15 hunting booklet. But the only way to know for sure would be to call DNR and ask.

I posted that before the updated regs came out.


I was in a class with a DNR Ranger on Thursday. He said as of right now there are NO public lands designated for supressors yet.
Link Posted: 8/11/2014 6:13:12 PM EDT
Thanks to everyone in this thread. Looks like the post above has me leaving the can at home.

Oh well, should still be fun with the 10" blackout this year.

Link Posted: 8/11/2014 6:54:19 PM EDT
I asked and got the following response on the GA DNR facebook page here: https://www.facebook.com/gadnrle/posts/393338280818370

For those that don't have Facebook:
Question: "I see in the new regulations that just came out for 2014-2015 that there is no mention of hunting with suppressors of WMA land specifically. The new law that was passed allows for use on private property with landowner permission and "and on public lands in areas designated by the department." Does that mean that DNR is not going to allow hunting with suppressors on public WMA land? Thanks for any clarification you can provide."

Response: "That is correct. Unless a WMA is specifically designated as such, you cannot use a suppressor on it. I can't speak as to what might happen in the future, but if it is a concern to you I would encourage you to come to any of the public meeting held around the state regarding the hunting regulations and voice your opinion. And Happy Hunting!"

Sounds like its a solid "no". Feel free to let them know what you think on the link above or on their page. I certainly intend to light up phone lines and let my opinion be known.
Link Posted: 8/12/2014 6:11:16 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By joeberg:
I asked and got the following response on the GA DNR facebook page here: https://www.facebook.com/gadnrle/posts/393338280818370

For those that don't have Facebook:
Question: "I see in the new regulations that just came out for 2014-2015 that there is no mention of hunting with suppressors of WMA land specifically. The new law that was passed allows for use on private property with landowner permission and "and on public lands in areas designated by the department." Does that mean that DNR is not going to allow hunting with suppressors on public WMA land? Thanks for any clarification you can provide."

Response: "That is correct. Unless a WMA is specifically designated as such, you cannot use a suppressor on it. I can't speak as to what might happen in the future, but if it is a concern to you I would encourage you to come to any of the public meeting held around the state regarding the hunting regulations and voice your opinion. And Happy Hunting!"

Sounds like its a solid "no". Feel free to let them know what you think on the link above or on their page. I certainly intend to light up phone lines and let my opinion be known.
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Yep. I am afraid the FUDD is strong with them.
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Originally Posted By molardog:


Yep. I am afraid the FUDD is strong with them.
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Originally Posted By molardog:
Originally Posted By joeberg:
I asked and got the following response on the GA DNR facebook page here: https://www.facebook.com/gadnrle/posts/393338280818370

For those that don't have Facebook:
Question: "I see in the new regulations that just came out for 2014-2015 that there is no mention of hunting with suppressors of WMA land specifically. The new law that was passed allows for use on private property with landowner permission and "and on public lands in areas designated by the department." Does that mean that DNR is not going to allow hunting with suppressors on public WMA land? Thanks for any clarification you can provide."

Response: "That is correct. Unless a WMA is specifically designated as such, you cannot use a suppressor on it. I can't speak as to what might happen in the future, but if it is a concern to you I would encourage you to come to any of the public meeting held around the state regarding the hunting regulations and voice your opinion. And Happy Hunting!"

Sounds like its a solid "no". Feel free to let them know what you think on the link above or on their page. I certainly intend to light up phone lines and let my opinion be known.


Yep. I am afraid the FUDD is strong with them.


Actually you would be surprised. Most of the Rangers I know have zero issue with suppressors being used. I think most of the issues are at the top.
Link Posted: 8/12/2014 6:51:24 AM EDT
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Actually you would be surprised. Most of the Rangers I know have zero issue with suppressors being used. I think most of the issues are at the top.
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Originally Posted By Code4AR:
Originally Posted By molardog:
Originally Posted By joeberg:
I asked and got the following response on the GA DNR facebook page here: https://www.facebook.com/gadnrle/posts/393338280818370

For those that don't have Facebook:
Question: "I see in the new regulations that just came out for 2014-2015 that there is no mention of hunting with suppressors of WMA land specifically. The new law that was passed allows for use on private property with landowner permission and "and on public lands in areas designated by the department." Does that mean that DNR is not going to allow hunting with suppressors on public WMA land? Thanks for any clarification you can provide."

Response: "That is correct. Unless a WMA is specifically designated as such, you cannot use a suppressor on it. I can't speak as to what might happen in the future, but if it is a concern to you I would encourage you to come to any of the public meeting held around the state regarding the hunting regulations and voice your opinion. And Happy Hunting!"

Sounds like its a solid "no". Feel free to let them know what you think on the link above or on their page. I certainly intend to light up phone lines and let my opinion be known.


Yep. I am afraid the FUDD is strong with them.


Actually you would be surprised. Most of the Rangers I know have zero issue with suppressors being used. I think most of the issues are at the top.


I'd believe that. The folks in the field tend to relate better to hunters, vs the higher ups in the city.
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Originally Posted By gajeep94yj:
I am not arguing with you because I believe you are correct, but where it is strictly forbidden? In the GA state law or the hunting regs?
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I posted the relevant state law above.

There is no conflict in state law vs what the rulebook says, but if there were ever a conflict I'm going to err on the side of the OCGA.
Link Posted: 8/12/2014 11:43:16 AM EDT
Who should we contact about this? Since it's an election year, I'm willing to bet the old Fudds at the DNR/Gov's office will be more receptive than usual.
Link Posted: 8/12/2014 12:36:37 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By CharlHeston:
Who should we contact about this? Since it's an election year, I'm willing to bet the old Fudds at the DNR/Gov's office will be more receptive than usual.
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Your elected reps first of all.

You can also attend one of these and voice your opinion, perhaps. http://www.georgiawildlife.com/node/3679
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