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Posted: 9/18/2004 5:49:15 AM EST
After conceal and carry passed I was under the impression that a person that was over 21 years of age was able to conceal a firearm that was legally registered to that person in a vehicle alone. A couple days ago I had a local friend telling me that was not the case unless I had a permit to conceal and carry. I am 23 and have been carrying a pistol at times in my glove box without a conceal/carry permit. I do carry my permit to own a firearm and the registration of that particular firearm to me as well. Am I in the wrong? I tried checking with missouri statues but I was unable to find anything partifular on this circumstance. Thanks in advance.

Brett
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 7:49:42 AM EST
I don't live in Missouri but I might be able to help. A MO resident will correct me if I am wrong.

Unless you are going to or from the business with your firearm (range, gun shop, etc) you cannot carry the firearm in your vehicle; concealed or otherwise. Definitely not in the glove box which is considered within reach, you should put it unloaded in the trunk.

You will need a permit to carry a concealed weapon. That would be a CCW permit, not a permit to purchase, permit to own, or registration.

For more information, I would start here: http://www.packing.org/state/index.jsp/missouri and http://www.missouricarry.com/
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 9:38:31 AM EST

This is what the MO LTC Laws says about car carry.

3. Subdivisions (1), (5), (8), and (10) of subsection 1 of this section do not apply when the actor is transporting such weapons in a nonfunctioning state or in an unloaded state when ammunition is not readily accessible or when such weapons are not readily accessible. Subdivision (1) of subsection 1 of this section does not apply to any person twenty-one years of age or older transporting a concealable firearm in the passenger compartment of a motor vehicle, so long as such concealable firearm is otherwise lawfully possessed, nor when the actor is also in possession of an exposed firearm or projectile weapon for the lawful pursuit of game, or is in his or her dwelling unit or upon [business] premises over which the actor has possession, authority or control, or is traveling in a continuous journey peaceably through this state. Subdivision (10) of subsection 1 of this section does not apply if the firearm is otherwise lawfully possessed by a person while traversing school premises for the purposes of transporting a student to or from school, or possessed by an adult for the purposes of facilitation of a school-sanctioned firearm-related event.


HB349 MO LTC Law
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 9:43:23 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/18/2004 10:04:42 AM EST by SmittyMOjoe]
CHICKEN SHIT DISCLAIMER FOLLOWS:I am not a lawyer, and the following is how I interrupt this Law. Please visit Missouri Revised Statutes, Chapter 571, Weapons Offenses, Section 571.030 and make your own decision on this.

OK, here is the Missouri statue that answers the question you have. I have posted it in it's entirety and have highlighted the information that pertains to your question in BLUE.
The first highlight is the general description for the crime of carrying a concealed weapon. The next highlight, about halfway down the page, is the EXCEPTION to the law. This is the part that makes it legal to carry the weapon concealed in your vehicle.

The bottom line as I interrupt it, is that you can carry the firearm in your vehicle concealed if you are at least 21 years of age and the firearm is otherwise lawfully possessed.

Smitty


Unlawful use of weapons--exceptions--penalties.

571.030. 1. A person commits the crime of unlawful use of weapons if he or she knowingly:

(1) Carries concealed upon or about his or her person a knife, a firearm, a blackjack or any other weapon readily capable of lethal use; or


(2) Sets a spring gun; or

(3) Discharges or shoots a firearm into a dwelling house, a railroad train, boat, aircraft, or motor vehicle as defined in section 302.010, RSMo, or any building or structure used for the assembling of people; or

(4) Exhibits, in the presence of one or more persons, any weapon readily capable of lethal use in an angry or threatening manner; or

(5) Possesses or discharges a firearm or projectile weapon while intoxicated; or

(6) Discharges a firearm within one hundred yards of any occupied schoolhouse, courthouse, or church building; or

(7) Discharges or shoots a firearm at a mark, at any object, or at random, on, along or across a public highway or discharges or shoots a firearm into any outbuilding; or

(8) Carries a firearm or any other weapon readily capable of lethal use into any church or place where people have assembled for worship, or into any election precinct on any election day, or into any building owned or occupied by any agency of the federal government, state government, or political subdivision thereof; or

(9) Discharges or shoots a firearm at or from a motor vehicle, as defined in section 301.010, RSMo, discharges or shoots a firearm at any person, or at any other motor vehicle, or at any building or habitable structure, unless the person was lawfully acting in self-defense; or

(10) Carries a firearm, whether loaded or unloaded, or any other weapon readily capable of lethal use into any school, onto any school bus, or onto the premises of any function or activity sponsored or sanctioned by school officials or the district school board.

2. Subdivisions (1), (3), (4), (6), (7), (8), (9) and (10) of subsection 1 of this section shall not apply to or affect any of the following:

(1) All state, county and municipal peace officers who have completed the training required by the** police officer standards and training commission pursuant to sections 590.030 to 590.050, RSMo, and possessing the duty and power of arrest for violation of the general criminal laws of the state or for violation of ordinances of counties or municipalities of the state, whether such officers are on or off duty, and whether such officers are within or outside of the law enforcement agency's jurisdiction, or any person summoned by such officers to assist in making arrests or preserving the peace while actually engaged in assisting such officer;

(2) Wardens, superintendents and keepers of prisons, penitentiaries, jails and other institutions for the detention of persons accused or convicted of crime;

(3) Members of the armed forces or national guard while performing their official duty;

(4) Those persons vested by article V, section 1 of the Constitution of Missouri with the judicial power of the state and those persons vested by Article III of the Constitution of the United States with the judicial power of the United States, the members of the federal judiciary;

(5) Any person whose bona fide duty is to execute process, civil or criminal;

(6) Any federal probation officer;

(7) Any state probation or parole officer, including supervisors and members of the board of probation and parole;

(8) Any corporate security advisor meeting the definition and fulfilling the requirements of the regulations established by the board of police commissioners under section 84.340, RSMo; and

(9) Any coroner, deputy coroner, medical examiner, or assistant medical examiner.

3. Subdivisions (1), (5), (8), and (10) of subsection 1 of this section do not apply when the actor is transporting such weapons in a nonfunctioning state or in an unloaded state when ammunition is not readily accessible or when such weapons are not readily accessible. Subdivision (1) of subsection 1 of this section does not apply to any person twenty-one years of age or older transporting a concealable firearm in the passenger compartment of a motor vehicle, so long as such concealable firearm is otherwise lawfully possessed, nor when the actor is also in possession of an exposed firearm or projectile weapon for the lawful pursuit of game, or is in his or her dwelling unit or upon premises over which the actor has possession, authority or control, or is traveling in a continuous journey peaceably through this state. Subdivision (10) of subsection 1 of this section does not apply if the firearm is otherwise lawfully possessed by a person while traversing school premises for the purposes of transporting a student to or from school, or possessed by an adult for the purposes of facilitation of a school-sanctioned firearm-related event.

4. Subdivisions (1), (8), and (10) of subsection 1 of this section shall not apply to any person who has a valid concealed carry endorsement issued pursuant to sections 571.101 to 571.121 or a valid permit or endorsement to carry concealed firearms issued by another state or political subdivision of another state.

5. Subdivisions (3), (4), (5), (6), (7), (8), (9), and (10) of subsection 1 of this section shall not apply to persons who are engaged in a lawful act of defense pursuant to section 563.031, RSMo.

6. Nothing in this section shall make it unlawful for a student to actually participate in school-sanctioned gun safety courses, student military or ROTC courses, or other school-sponsored firearm-related events, provided the student does not carry a firearm or other weapon readily capable of lethal use into any school, onto any school bus, or onto the premises of any other function or activity sponsored or sanctioned by school officials or the district school board.

7. Unlawful use of weapons is a class D felony unless committed pursuant to subdivision (6), (7), or (8) of subsection 1 of this section, in which cases it is a class B misdemeanor, or subdivision (5) or (10) of subsection 1 of this section, in which case it is a class A misdemeanor if the firearm is unloaded and a class D felony if the firearm is loaded, or subdivision (9) of subsection 1 of this section, in which case it is a class B felony, except that if the violation of subdivision (9) of subsection 1 of this section results in injury or death to another person, it is a class A felony.

8. Violations of subdivision (9) of subsection 1 of this section shall be punished as follows:

(1) For the first violation a person shall be sentenced to the maximum authorized term of imprisonment for a class B felony;

(2) For any violation by a prior offender as defined in section 558.016, RSMo, a person shall be sentenced to the maximum authorized term of imprisonment for a class B felony without the possibility of parole, probation or conditional release for a term of ten years;

(3) For any violation by a persistent offender as defined in section 558.016, RSMo, a person shall be sentenced to the maximum authorized term of imprisonment for a class B felony without the possibility of parole, probation, or conditional release;

(4) For any violation which results in injury or death to another person, a person shall be sentenced to an authorized disposition for a class A felony.

9. Any person knowingly aiding or abetting any other person in the violation of subdivision (9) of subsection 1 of this section shall be subject to the same penalty as that prescribed by this section for violations by other persons.

(RSMo 1939 § 4425, A.L. 1959 H.B. 43, A.L. 1981 H.B. 296, A.L. 1993 H.B. 562 merged with S.B. 250, A.L. 1995 H.B. 160, A.L. 1997 S.B. 367, A.L. 1998 S.B. 478, A.L. 2000 S.B. 944, A.L. 2003 H.B. 349, et al. merged with S.B. 5)

Prior revisions: 1929 § 4031; 1919 § 3277; 1909 § 4498

Effective 6-27-03 (S.B. 5)

10-11-03 (H.B. 349, et al., see § 21.250)

*Transferred 1978; formerly 562.070

*House Bill 349, et al., 2003, was vetoed on July 3, 2003. The veto was overridden on September 11, 2003.

**Word "the" does not appear in original rolls.

CROSS REFERENCES: Discharging a firearm or weapon at a railroad train or railmounted work equipment while committing a trespass to railroad property, class D felony, RSMo 389.653

Violation of this section may also be a hate crime, RSMo 557.035

(2001) Where defendant exhibited unlawful weapon at distinct times and places and with the requisite intent, each exhibition constitutes a separate offense under section. State v. Barber, 37 S.W.3d 400 (Mo.App.E.D.).


Link Posted: 9/18/2004 10:44:34 AM EST
If you can legally posses a handgun in the state of misery missouri and you are at least 21yrs old then you CAN carry a concealed weapon in your vehicle.
CCW permits have a minimum age of 23yrs plus all that other stuff involved (Safety classes, background check etc.)

You have ALWAYS (according to Mo state law, individual localities may vary) been allowed to carry openly.

Tell your buddy he is wrong, you can carry a handgun in your car without a license (Unless you are a felon or something like that)

www.packing.org can and will answer all your concealed handgun questions.
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 3:27:22 PM EST
I saw a summary of this particular statue that said: MISSOURI--State carry requirements do not apply to transporting a non-functioning firearm or an unloaded firearm when ammunition is not readily accessible, or while carrying a firearm concealed while traveling in a continuous journey peaceably through the state.

Did you say you carry your firearm loaded or not?
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 5:26:18 PM EST

Originally Posted By kensteele:
I saw a summary of this particular statue that said: MISSOURI--State carry requirements do not apply to transporting a non-functioning firearm or an unloaded firearm when ammunition is not readily accessible, or while carrying a firearm concealed while traveling in a continuous journey peaceably through the state.

Did you say you carry your firearm loaded or not?



The summary is correct PRIOR to the latest changes made by the concealed carry legislation. Now you can carry loaded, functioning, and readily available if you are "twenty-one years of age or older transporting a concealable firearm in the passenger compartment of a motor vehicle".

This provision is one of the bigger (and lesser known/understood) wins of the new concealed carry legislation.
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 6:53:54 PM EST
SteelViper is correct, according to the last ccw instructor I spoke with...

btw I have to say this.
Jackson County is JACKED!!!!! We have to get our ccw permit from other States because the elected sheriff isn't very bright!h.gifhinking.gif
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 2:28:36 AM EST

Originally Posted By Steelviper:

Originally Posted By kensteele:
I saw a summary of this particular statue that said: MISSOURI--State carry requirements do not apply to transporting a non-functioning firearm or an unloaded firearm when ammunition is not readily accessible, or while carrying a firearm concealed while traveling in a continuous journey peaceably through the state.

Did you say you carry your firearm loaded or not?



The summary is correct PRIOR to the latest changes made by the concealed carry legislation. Now you can carry loaded, functioning, and readily available if you are "twenty-one years of age or older transporting a concealable firearm in the passenger compartment of a motor vehicle".

This provision is one of the bigger (and lesser known/understood) wins of the new concealed carry legislation.



Yep, locked and loaded in your car if 21 or older. Just don't get out and carry it around wally world with it in your pocket unless you have the permit.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 4:32:30 PM EST

Originally Posted By DBAR:

Jackson County is JACKED!!!!! We have to get our ccw permit from other States because the elected sheriff isn't very bright!



To hell with Jackson County. I currently live in St. Louis County, which is also not issuing. I have had a carry permit since long before I moved to Missouri, so I'm good to go. I have no intention of applying for a MO permit, even if they do start accepting applications. Screw them. They don't want my money anyway. Why should I give them anything? I'm legal, and the law is now on my side.
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