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Posted: 10/12/2013 2:09:14 AM EST
http://ccdl.us/blog/uploads/2013/10/PA13-3-Compliance-copy-final.pdf

Presentation on the New Gun Laws
Posted on October 11, 2013 by gluegun

At the October general meeting we had a special presentation from Attorneys Greg Miller, Doug Dubitsky, and Jeffery Crown on the new laws. The presentation focused on a number of frequently asked questions and some of the more confusing aspects of the new gun laws.

Here is the latest version of the presentation Attorney Miller put together. As promised it includes some additional information he received from Det. Barbara Matson of the Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection during a presentation she gave on Wednesday.

If you need a copy of any of the forms or affidavits mentioned in the presentation, please see the previous post on forms.

Additionally, you can find OLR reports on both PA 13-3 and the modifications made in PA 13-220:
? May 17 OLR PA 13-3
? June 7 OLR PA 13-220
Link Posted: 10/12/2013 6:51:42 AM EST
This is a must read. There is some durp in their... You can't use LCMs with Prebans?
Link Posted: 10/12/2013 7:12:12 AM EST
Did I miss it or because it doesn't seems to be a section that "requires" authentication letter from a mfg that receiver was built prior to the 9/94 date? It only has
safest way is to insist on original sale paperwork for the firearm from prior to September 13, 1994
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Det. Matson didn't say to the Cos Cob Gun club members that the Mfg letter was a requirement?
Link Posted: 10/12/2013 7:42:55 AM EST
In regards to the preban, the slides strongly suggested you have the original bill of sale to cover yourself. So anything to give yourself that extra bit of hard cover is worth it today. Hence the letter of manufacture.

I noticed it said even if the pistol is a registered assault weapon, you can still carry it. Just remove the threaded barrel and suppressor before hand.

Right now, I'm looking for a preban 92FS so I can avoid registering my current 92FS. If this doesn't happen before 1 Jan, I'll move my threaded barrel out of state until I get a preban pistol.
Link Posted: 10/12/2013 7:54:25 AM EST
Any suggestions for weapons that were imported prior to the date but importer no longer in business? I've checked with a few FFL's on this without success. Anyone that is knowledgeable with the 53a-202a, knows that there were non-listed firearms that were banned from importation in 89. Hence, if they made it into the country, there are pre 94.
Link Posted: 10/13/2013 9:56:18 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/13/2013 10:20:03 AM EST by DrGeoz]
Okay, so in handguns owned prior to April 13, you can conceal carry with full-cap mags?

And then any other mag is restriceted to 10? Otherwise any pistol purchased after April 13 needs to be carried with 10 in the mag?


And. alternatively, can I carry a 17rd G17 mag in my Pre April 2013 Glock 19?
Link Posted: 10/13/2013 1:08:04 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/13/2013 1:12:48 PM EST by sbhaven]
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Originally Posted By DrGeoz:
Okay, so in handguns owned prior to April 13, you can conceal carry with full-cap mags?

And then any other mag is restriceted to 10? Otherwise any pistol purchased after April 13 needs to be carried with 10 in the mag?

And. alternatively, can I carry a 17rd G17 mag in my Pre April 2013 Glock 19?
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Any magazine carried in public can ONLY be loaded to 10 rounds or less.

What the statute says is that if you buy a handgun AFTER 4/5/13 you cannot use a large capacity magazine in it if you carry that handgun in public. The relevant portion of the statute:

(7) Pursuant to a valid permit to carry a pistol or revolver, provided such large capacity magazine (A) is within a pistol or revolver that was lawfully possessed by the person prior to April 5, 2013, (B) does not extend more than one inch below the bottom of the pistol grip, and (C) contains not more than ten bullets.
Link Posted: 10/13/2013 1:13:09 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/13/2013 1:14:35 PM EST by DrGeoz]
Oh, I got it. So in pre April 4 '13 you can use standard cap mags just downloaded to 10. Otherwise post 4/4/13 they have to be 10rd capacity mags.
Link Posted: 10/13/2013 2:01:07 PM EST
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Originally Posted By DrGeoz:
Oh, I got it. So in pre April 4 '13 you can use standard cap mags just downloaded to 10. Otherwise post 4/4/13 they have to be 10rd capacity mags.
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Correct. That's only if you carry the gun in public. The portion of law I quoted doesn't appear to apply to the range or at home. The law details where you can use the "large capacity magazine" and how many rounds can be loaded into it. Here is the relevent subsection law that details where you can have/use a LCM and how many rounds you can have in it.

(f) Any person who declared possession of a large capacity magazine under this section may possess the large capacity magazine only under the following conditions:

(1) At that person's residence;

(2) At that person's place of business or other property owned by that person, provided such large capacity magazine contains not more than ten bullets;

(3) While on the premises of a target range of a public or private club or organization organized for the purpose of practicing shooting at targets;

(4) While on a target range which holds a regulatory or business license for the purpose of practicing shooting at that target range;

(5) While on the premises of a licensed shooting club;

(6) While transporting the large capacity magazine between any of the places set forth in this subsection, or to any licensed gun dealer, provided (A) such large capacity magazine contains not more than ten bullets, and (B) the large capacity magazine is transported in the manner required for an assault weapon under subdivision (2) of subsection (a) of section 53-202f of the general statutes, as amended by public act 13-3, as amended by this act; or

(7) Pursuant to a valid permit to carry a pistol or revolver, provided such large capacity magazine (A) is within a pistol or revolver that was lawfully possessed by the person prior to April 5, 2013, (B) does not extend more than one inch below the bottom of the pistol grip, and (C) contains not more than ten bullets.

(g) Any person who violates the provisions of subsection (f) of this section shall be guilty of a class C misdemeanor.
Link Posted: 10/13/2013 7:21:14 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Toadyrock:
This is a must read. There is some durp in their... You can't use LCMs with Prebans?
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So, what if you have LCM's and a Pre Ban in your home but only keep 10 rounders in your Pre Ban? Are you now a criminal because you have "parts" for conversion blah, blah CT wants to make everyone be a felon blah, blah?

Do you see where I'm going with this? Or, what if you register your Pre Ban (I know) can you now legally l;oad it with LCM's since it's a registered AW? WTF, this state blows rhino rod!!!

It also would have been nice to see them elaborate on increased feature counts on registered AW's.
Link Posted: 10/14/2013 4:29:16 AM EST
The police are going to really have a hard time enforcing these laws. More than likely as long as you are law abiding you will be fine. The AW registration is designed to track what guns are out there and make it a hassle to own. If they nail some people who have not paid attention to this law that is a plus for them. The magazine ban is the one to be careful with.

My handguns are both .45 ACP guns and single stack. So I am already limited to 8 rounds. I did want to buy a Glock and use as my carry gun in the winter. I have a bunch of Glock magazines but no Glocks at the moment. I guess these magazines are only good for range and home now.

I have created a trust to register all my firearms and magazines into. This way when my wife and when my son is old enough, 17 now, he can use them legally.

I am hoping the CCDL lawsuit makes some changes. I am afraid that in reality the liberal judges in this state will uphold the laws. Our only hope is the Supreme Court.
Link Posted: 10/14/2013 7:22:31 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/14/2013 9:29:51 AM EST by trdr_vix]
Gee…where should I start…so many experts, expert opinions and expert presentations…well..here is some more:

1. The extract in the Presentation of the revised section 53-202m language has critical mistakes…missing a key word (“to” after the word “revised”)….plus a misspelling…I would hesitate to consider as valid anything in the presentation relating to the missing "to" mistake.

From Presentation: PA 13-220 Sec. 11-
•Sec 53-202m of the General Statutes is repealed and the following is substituted in lieu thereof (effective form passage):
•Notwithstanding any provision of the general statutes, section 53-202a to 53-202l, inclusive, as amended by this act, shall not be construed to limit the transfer or require the registration of an assault weapons as defined in Subdivision (3) or (4) of subsection (a) of section 53-202a of the general statutes, revision of 1958, revised January 1, 2013, provided such firearm was lawfully manufactured prior to September 13, 1994

From actual PA 13-220 on Ct.gov: Sec. 11. Section 53-202m of the general statutes is repealed and the
following is substituted in lieu thereof (Effective from passage):

Notwithstanding any provision of the general statutes, sections 53-202a to 53-202l, inclusive, as amended by this act, shall not be construed to limit the transfer or require the registration of an assault weapon as defined in subdivision (3) or (4) of subsection (a) of section 53-202a of the general statutes, revision of 1958, revised to January 1, 2013, provided such firearm was legally manufactured prior to September 13, 1994.

2. Please show me in one place, just one place, either in the old, first revised, or revised again statutes that states a pre ban (pre Sept. 13, 1994) as defined in any of the language is NOT an assault weapon…just one place. That’s not what 53-202m states prior to current statute or the current version. Well let’s not get hung up on definitions. The statement of 53-202m is what’s important.

3. From the Presentation “Can I have Post 1994 parts on a Pre-1994 exempt gun.
•It appears the answer to this question is yes, except for mags over 10 rds. Under 53-202a and under both PA13-3 and PA13-220 it is illegal to have a combination of parts to convert a non AW into an AW. But as a pre-gun is not an AW, it appears that this is ok. We have no actual determination on this currently.

Ridiculous…that has been hashed out for years on pre-bans (see about 10,000 threads on this)…the S/N of the lower receiver denotes the firearm and the manufacture date. Also, I don’t know what the intent of the presentation language is, but the 10 mag issue seems misstated… just because you have a pre-ban does not exclude you from the 10 mag limit statutes, and defines those cases where the use of a greater mag is allowed. If it was trying to say otherwise, that you cannot ever use any mag greater than 10 in a pre-ban, well, please show me that language specifically in the revised statutes or show some valid logic that makes that point and that a pre-ban is not an AW.

4. From the presentation “2001 Characteristics Test is Gone for Pre Sept 13, 1994”…

Really? Where does it say that and what does this even mean? Read the revised “correct” 53-202m above, sure seems there is still some kind of characteristics test.

5. From the presentation “Some manufacturers have published serial number lists by date of manufacture, but I am suggesting that the safest way is to insist on original sale paperwork for the firearm from prior to September 13, 1994.”

Again…really? I would think that a manufacture date letter for a specific S/N from the manufacturer would be top on the list of things to have. After that is likely gets hazy with associated risk…original sale paperwork…what paperwork? To who? From the manufacturer of the lower receivers? Again see 53-202m, that’s a manufacture date, not an original sale date. I suggest you have that manufacture date letter and a copy of the latest statutes with your pre-ban at all times. For those pre-bans where you cannot get a date letter for various reasons, the risk likely increases.

P.S. Some of us stated earlier that ex-post-facto created this situation with pre-bans. It seems self evident that this was borne out as true when they needed to keep and revise 53-202m and re-invoke the previous statutes and definitions and the treatment of pre-bans with the carefully crafted language of the revised 53-202m. They could not avoid this because of the way 53-202m treated this area for so many years without creating a very challengeable jeopardy with the law.
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 2:59:29 PM EST
I recently purchased a pre-ban Colt and Colt quickly provided me a letter of production date for free within hours of my request.
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 3:01:51 PM EST
Hours? Who was it you spoke with? There are only two people who work in that part of colt and I have heard two weeks - three months wait.

Hours
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 3:53:24 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/26/2013 4:49:12 PM EST by ProGunInCt]
Hi,

Her name is Michelle Rice.


I'll dig her contact info out and post it.

Link Posted: 10/26/2013 4:47:39 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/26/2013 4:54:46 PM EST by ProGunInCt]
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Originally Posted By Toadyrock:
Hours? Who was it you spoke with? There are only two people who work in that part of colt and I have heard two weeks - three months wait.

Hours
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BS?

Really? No, not quite.

Hours is correct, like I got the letter emailed to me the same day I requested it.

Why would I BS about how long it took me to get a letter from Colt?

Ohhhh, I see, could it be that, contrary to what your ego tells you, maybe you don't know everything about everything?

Here is her contact info.

Michelle Rice

Customer Solutions Representative

Colt Manufacturing Company, LLC

mrice@colt.com


Your welcome.



Link Posted: 10/26/2013 5:20:29 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/26/2013 5:28:55 PM EST by Toadyrock]
Slow your roll buddy. Never claimed to know everything. And for the record an email is not a letter. The "letter" from Colt I was talking about is an actual letter in the mail. So slow your roll buddy. Never claimed to know everything. My question is an email equal to a letter?. It cost $25 for a "letter" from Colt not an email. What model did get?

Welcome to the CTHTF. My wife says my ego sucks I agree!
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 6:04:09 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/26/2013 6:06:45 PM EST by ProGunInCt]
LOL, all wives say that I think

Slow down calling BS then.

She emails a letter on Colt letterhead that you can then print out.

Link Posted: 10/27/2013 10:48:46 AM EST
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Originally Posted By ProGunInCt:
LOL, all wives say that I think

Slow down calling BS then.

She emails a letter on Colt letterhead that you can then print out.

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You're new here. You don't get the benefit of the doubt when you present info we've never heard as fact.

Welcome to the board.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 1:39:14 PM EST
Ok I'm gonna try this again....last 3 new guys never came back.


Do you Ike midget porn?

Off to a good start I see....

So now I HAVE to get a letter from Olympic condfirming born on date?
It was once a part of an A2 and I sold the upper.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 2:00:01 PM EST
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Originally Posted By cavgunner:
Ok I'm gonna try this again....last 3 new guys never came back.


Do you Ike midget porn?

Off to a good start I see....

So now I HAVE to get a letter from Olympic condfirming born on date?
It was once a part of an A2 and I sold the upper.
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I personally have NEVER heard of anyone in CT ever being asked to provide legal verification of the date of manufacture of a preban or suspected preban firearm on the spot. I also have never heard of a specific legal requirement by any authorities requiring verification of preban status for legal possesion. Simply a recommendation to allow the FFL to in good faith believe it would be a lawful transfer. IMO a letter would be a nice feel good common sense solution to a hypothetical perfect storm of possible scenarios. But by the time a situation like that evolves a person would probably already be wearing some orange one piece pajamas and talking to a lawyer through a corded phone behind some 1" thick bullet resistant glass. At that time the letter from Olympic you printed from the email will be the least of your worries.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 3:51:19 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/27/2013 3:58:28 PM EST by ProGunInCt]


Questing something is understandable, flying a little BS flag .gif is calling me a liar and not appreciated.

Thanks for the warm welcome, I'll be sure to share helpful info here again real soon.

Link Posted: 10/27/2013 4:15:49 PM EST
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Questing something for a new user is understandable, flying a little BS flag .gif is calling me a liar and not appreciated.

Thanks for the warm welcome, I'll be sure to share helpful info here again real soon.

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Link Posted: 10/28/2013 3:31:55 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Toadyrock:
This is a must read. There is some durp in their... You can't use LCMs with Prebans?
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How can the law can be interpreted this way.

Where does it say that prebans are now this "special" class that can no longer use LCM's???
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 6:20:29 AM EST
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Originally Posted By madone:


How can the law can be interpreted this way.

Where does it say that prebans are now this "special" class that can no longer use LCM's???
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Originally Posted By Toadyrock:
This is a must read. There is some durp in their... You can't use LCMs with Prebans?


How can the law can be interpreted this way.

Where does it say that prebans are now this "special" class that can no longer use LCM's???


Firearms purchased after 4/4/13 can only be sold with or have within them a 10 round or less magazine. If you took possession of a preban prior to 4/4/13 and also possessed an LCM and have declared it you're good. Purchasing a preban today legaly limits that firearm to 10 rounds. I'm not sure of any "special" class.
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 6:32:10 AM EST
Ah... thanks for the better explanation. Glad I had my preban prior to all this BS.

SO, you are saying that people paying a premium for Prebans right now, cannot use LCM's in them. Wow, that really sux. But I guess at least they can get an AR "type", but capacity neutered I guess.

What a clusterfuck. Man people are gonna get pinched for these stupid little subtleties. Hell,I just know there is going to be people hassled/arrested for un-reg'd prebans since no of the "enforcers" understand the law.

Police: "Paper's please"
Owner: "Here, I have a letter...its preban"
Police: "Shut your mouth, you are going to jail"
Owner:
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 7:33:21 AM EST
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Originally Posted By hihobrian:
Firearms purchased after 4/4/13 can only be sold with or have within them a 10 round or less magazine. If you took possession of a preban prior to 4/4/13 and also possessed an LCM and have declared it you're good. Purchasing a preban today legaly limits that firearm to 10 rounds.
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And because of the poorly written law, you cannot take possession of that 10 round magazine if you don't have one of the valid permits/certificates to buy ammunition of ammunition magazines.

So while you can, between now and April 1, 2014, legally buy a detachable magazine long gun, either preban or post ban, without presenting a permit/certificate to wave the 14 day waiting period, or show your hunting license to waive the 14 day waiting period, you cannot take possession of the magazine for that firearm unless you present one of the required ammo permits/certificates (of which the hunting license is not one of them).
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 7:34:26 AM EST
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Originally Posted By ProGunInCt:


Questing something is understandable, flying a little BS flag .gif is calling me a liar and not appreciated.

Thanks for the warm welcome, I'll be sure to share helpful info here again real soon.

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Yeah, Yeah, Yeah...happened to me too.

Calm down, beers in the fridge, interwebz seriousness is silly.

we've all been through it.

Smart bunch of guys here, both in legal and in technical issues. Smart guys are naturally smart-asses. Use the resources, sharpen your search skills, etc.

Now post a pic of your Glock and lets move on.
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