Anyone know how long this thing is? I mean, with all the libtards in power now it's more than likely gonna get renewed every time.....but i'm just curios as to how much time the ban has left.

Quoted: Anyone know how long this thing is? I mean, with all the libtards in power now it's more than likely gonna get renewed every time.....but i'm just curios as to how much time the ban has left.

'Renewed'?  You must be confusing the now-expired/"sunset" Fed AW ban with CA's separate, more restrictive, indepdent AW ban.

CA AWB doesn't need to be renewed.  It will stay in force forever, until a court overturns it or unless new legislation cancels it.  The latter is highly unlikely given demographics;  the former has more of a chance given the structural problems in the law, CA DOJ Firearms Div's actions & paper trails, etc.  Already early 2007 Hunt v Lockyer case will become active and will help chip away at SB23.  Other things will help attack Roberti-Roos.



Bill Wiese
San Jose CA

Quoted: Quoted: Anyone know how long this thing is? I mean, with all the libtards in power now it's more than likely gonna get renewed every time.....but i'm just curios as to how much time the ban has left. 'Renewed'?  You must be confusing the now-expired/"sunset" Fed AW ban with CA's separate, more restrictive, indepdent AW ban. CA AWB doesn't need to be renewed.  It will stay in force forever, until a court overturns it or unless new legislation cancels it.  The latter is highly unlikely given demographics;  the former has more of a chance given the structural problems in the law, CA DOJ Firearms Div's actions & paper trails, etc.  Already early 2007 Hunt v Lockyer case will become active and will help chip away at SB23.  Other things will help attack Roberti-Roos. Bill Wiese San Jose CA

That's what I was afraid of. So there is an attack on the CA AWB then?

I dont think it is ever going away. This state is a lost cause.

Quoted: I dont think it is ever going away. This state is a lost cause.

Time to move, I suppose. Too many libtards here.

Ok honeslty everyone needs to stop saying time to move because all the commie liberals are taking over.  Yes, it sucks having your freedoms swept from under your feet however if everyone were to just move then how is that solving the overall problem, all that does is buy you time because once you let someone take your rights away without a fight whats to stop others from taking your rights away, so even if you move what is to stop your newly adopted state from taking your rights away.  our soldiers fight to keep our rights and lifestyle on a federal level and it is up to us to fight for our rights on a state level. sack up and fight for your rights hot-damn it.

Quoted: I dont think it is ever going away. This state is a lost cause.

Got make a stand and fight sometime, might as well be here in CA.  If we give up it will just be motivation for the antigunners in other states to step up their attack.  Every effort we make here ties up resources and money the other side could use someplace else.  Gun owners in other states should be thanking us and sending money to help.  If they think it will never happen in their states they are FOOLS.

Quoted: Ok honeslty everyone needs to stop saying time to move because all the commie liberals are taking over.  Yes, it sucks having your freedoms swept from under your feet however if everyone were to just move then how is that solving the overall problem, all that does is buy you time because once you let someone take your rights away without a fight whats to stop others from taking your rights away, so even if you move what is to stop your newly adopted state from taking your rights away.  our soldiers fight to keep our rights and lifestyle on a federal level and it is up to us to fight for our rights on a state level. sack up and fight for your rights hot-damn it.

Fucking A, amigo. I'm so very tired of hearing people here in the NV complain that "It's time to move because some idiot leftard is making my life heck !!! >____<;;"

The reason the left is winning in our states is because their voices are louder and more shrill than ours. If we're to have a chance in hell at winning our states back, then we need to man up nancyboys, pull our panties up tight and shout to the clouds that we're mad as all get out and that there's only so much more we can take.

Rather than sit by and passively accept the rape, we need to start kicking and shouting. The left is winning only because they are the loudest. Back in 191X, there was a little group of loud left-wingers that were so loud that their entire nation believed them to be the majority. By 1919, they had seized control of their country and enstated their ridiculous pie-eyed fuzzy feel good ideology that bankrupted and destroyed one of the greatest nations on Earth. You know, the Bolsheviks.

Rather than complain that the place you live sucks and that you should move to greener pastures, just think: Hundreds of thousands of Californians have already done that, they came and moved here and thusly proceeded to royally fuck up Nevada. Thanks a lot, expatriate Californians, for our smoking ban. We really appreciate it, by the way ^______^

But I digress. Stand up and fight for your beliefs. This is America, baby. The only way to win is to get organized, grab a soap box and start shouting.

MeanSteve:

as for the smoking ban I am sorry your rights are being violated, personally i think smoking is gross however i dont advocate telling someone they cannot do it, unless it violates my freedom to not breathe it, so for public places im fine with it being banned or some how providing smoking rooms where people can smoke all they want, or in the privacy of your own property.  but to subdue others with harmful fumes released from your cigarettes is furthur destructive than not allowing someone to be allowed to smoke in public, not to mention the proper etiquette by not smoking in public, its just rude!

The thing that annoys me most about this smoking ban is this:

I'm a nonsmoker. I don't smoke. I think that cigarettes are stupid and I hate smelling like smoke.

However. My security does not weigh as much as your freedom. If I don't like the smoke, then I can just go elsewhere. Every fast food joint in the country is Non-Smoking. However the little bars and greasy chopstick places that I adore frequenting are not Non-Smoking. The way the ban is worded, smoking is banned in every building that holds a food license. Except casinos. If our ban were across the board like yours, I really wouldn't mind it. In fact, I might actually be a little for it.

But I'm not for it, not at all.

See, the way it stands, the Clean Indoor Air Act exists solely to fuck the little guy. You see, the people that come in and frequent the types of establishments that I like (the "dives" if you will) are the types that sit at a poker machine, play a thousand dollars (no shit), smoke a pack of cigarettes, drink ten beers, order a couple of cheeseburgers and leave the place happy.

Since they can no longer get this full package deal at the little place, they just up and relocate to a CASINO who is exempt from this ruling. If you wish to sit at a machine and smoke yourself stupid, drink comped drinks and have a cheeseburger brought out to you, hey no problem! You can just take your money to the casino, who is specifically exempt from the Clean Indoor Air Act and just ignore the friendly little dive bars that you used to frequent and love.

And since your business is no longer at those places, they end up going out of business and put dozens of people into the unemployment line. But that's okay, because you can still spend your money at some giant casino. The hell with the small businessman.

Man, I'm just ranting here. Bans on anything are bullshit. Served straight-up and buster-ass. To be for a ban on smoking in public is morally equivalent to being for a ban on violent or sexually-explicit video games or a ban on these so-called "assault weapons."

Just because one group does not like an object simply because they feel it "offends their senses" does not mean it should be banned. Quite the contrary. Things that offend need to be protected, for if we say that one thing is "okay to be banned" then all things are "okay to be banned."

Just say "no" to prohibition of any kind. Fight the real enemy.


I... I don't have a picture of the Pope to tear in two. There goes my awesome exit.

Quoted: ...I... I don't have a picture of the Pope to tear in two. There goes my awesome exit.

LOL. Eggselent.