Just thought I would paraphrase Ndenway's comment's and start a discussion with real merit.
I guess everyone saw the big article in the Sunday Oklahoman about Bigfoot down around Honobia in Push and Leflore Counties.
Cougars are here and breeding. I have never bred one myself, they are too fast and mean. But I've seen a small one in Oklahoma and a large one, so they gotta be breeding somwhere!
And as far as UFO's, lots of reports of some funny stuff around Hwy 33 and Hwy 74 for the last 30 years or so. I've seen two myself in the late 70's.

There must be ufos there is a group up in Sperry that actively hunts them. They had/have a web site
and even a phone number to call. I used to have it as it was very popular to page peeps to.

i wrote out a big drawn out bunch of funny shit and then deleted it.


I just wish you bigfoot UFO people would turn me on to these bastards so
I could gun them down.

well I should have phrased that a bit different, it should have went something like this............



The only time I've ever seen Bigfoot in Oklahoma was when the porno I stared in was premired.

and the only time I ever seen a cougar, was when John Cougar played at the Miriad.

and once when I was enjoying some recreational entertainment at the lake with a now ex-girlfriend we seen an ufo and aliens, at least she swore to everyone that she was abducted by one, cause when she sobered up, she realized that she had been analy probed.
(deserved more than one smilie)


now I've never seen a real life cougar, but when I worked for the dept. of tourism and recreation, the naturalist took some pics of a female jaguar with some cubs at t-bird, and I saw those.

and when I was hunting down at the Quashita mnts., some hunters claimed that bigfoot raided their camp, and ate all their food and drank all their beer, I set up for three nights watching a can of bud and a bologna sandwich, but bigfoot never visited our camp.

and several times in my life, I've seen some aliens get out of an Ugly Fuckin Oldmobile, and start talking some language I didn't understand.






Now that I have stated what I saw, feel free to Flame on, cause I'm easy, or so my gf tells me so

I've seen some strange things in my life, but Bigfoot isn't one of them. Just second hand stuff, but the reports of the El Reno Chicken Man, the Concho Bigfoot, and the erased tape from the Lucky Starr casino have too many similar points to be dismissed as BS. And lots of crap down around Honobia, Broken Bow, and even Lawton point toward something that ain't necessarily human but close.
Cougars are a fact in Oklahoma but those who haven't seen them just can't believe it. I think it was around 10 or so years ago a bowhunter killed one coming up the tree after him. Got fined several hundred dollars for doing it too. So if you kill one that is lurking around horse or cattle pasture, you keep it to yourself!
We saw two very large objects at a low altitude cross 39th one night. They had a few lights on them, were as big as dirigibles, but made no noise. Cars were pulled over looking at them. I turned up Meridian and watched them as far as 50th going northwest across some tank batteries between Meriidan and Tulsa. This was around 1979 or so. The only other unexplained aerial weirdness I have seen is St Elmo's Fire. Seeing several lighting balls floating around a wheat field at night gave me the heebie-jeebies.
Almost as bad as thinking about Ndenway in a porno film!

Quoted: Seeing several lighting balls floating around a wheat field at night gave me the heebie-jeebies. Almost as bad as thinking about Ndenway in a porno film!

suprising! how everybody that knows me says that they have some sort of reaction after seeing my flick, hell even the the peep show palace on 10th and MacArthur closed its door after it premeired there,and was soon tore down thereafter, kind of like it was tainted or maybe haunted by the act, I guess my parents should have named me Richard instead of L, cause most of the chicks that know me don't call me Big L, they gasp and say Big D, and it ain't because of the obvious.

Quoted: and several times in my life, I've seen some aliens get out of an Ugly Fuckin Oldmobile, and start talking some language I didn't understand. Now that I have stated what I saw, feel free to Flame on, cause I'm easy, or so my gf tells me so

Yeah, I saw those same aliens. No doubt that was an Olds Cutlass you saw them getting out of. Okla-lawman knows what I'm talking about too.  No flame from me, everything seemed right on.

L., I know you are being modest. Men of our intelligence, good looks, and size , don't have to brag about our enormous assets. Like most large pieces of equipment, it is the skill in how it is used as well as size!

Quoted: L., I know you are being modest. Men of our intelligence, good looks, and size , don't have to brag about our enormous assets. Like most large pieces of equipment, it is the skill in how it is used as well as size!

Dan you are too much!!

Oh, that part about the "size",
Another inch shorter and I  would have been a girl!!!(an ugly one even!!)
I once made a movie called" A Little Something,The True Mini-Me !"

yeah D, I hear ya, on a personal note, I try to practice as much as humanly possible (ie. when the gf will let me) to maintain my profecincy in a subject that I have studied hard on for many years, cause everyones heard the saying "If you don't use it, you lose it", and even I don't always earn three gold stars, but I'm told ones not bad, and thats all the encouagement I need to wanna practice more.
how'd we end up getting offa the subject of cats, sasquatch and flying saucers?
cause I'd still like to find one of those bigfeet, and have'm stuffed and put in the Stovall muesem, with a brass plate that says " on loan from L", and I'd like to catch one of them kitty cats, and grill'em on a stick, then wear its skin like Mauchu Pichu did, but I don't really care if I see a ufo, cause I'd hate to be abducted and have little green men do the anal probe on me.

L, I think we got off of the subject of bigfoot because of the old adage, the bigger the feet, the bigger the......! I remember as a child my father telling me while we were in the public shower for the swimming pool at Midwest City - "You're never going to have to worry about someplace to stay when you get older, son!"
Like I've said here before, there is definitely something at Concho that is unnatural, walks on two legs, has hair all over it, and moves QUICK! The tribe out there will never allow (mush less admit it!) a hunt for the Bigfoot. But they are there and have been for generations. Shooting one would definitely be bad ju-ju unless it was making a pest of itself. DNA samples from "bigfoot hair" doesn't match any known species. The scientific community won't admit the existence until one is actually killed. And out  of curiosity, how in the hell is somebody going to get out a 500 + lbs  boogie man out of the deep woods without cutting it up? If it is cut up, they will say it is not what it is! Supposedly that has happened in Washington state already in the early 90s.
ACman, go whack one of those hairy boogie men and get famous!

Okay, i donno what the heck is goin on in this thread except hat all of ya'll have cute little 1 letter nicknames for each other.....WTF is up with that???  

One letter is a synonym of anonymity for the name on the internet. I prefer Dan instead of D because everyone might thing I am a Dick.
When addressing friends like Ndenway, I use L. for his first name. It just saves typing.
I'm going to take the old man (103 YO) to the doc tomorrow. He has some interesting stories about "UFOs" from his youth. He calls them "demon ships" or something like that.

and several times in my life, I've seen some aliens get out of an Ugly Fuckin Oldmobile, and start talking some language I didn't understand.

If i could find out wher dem bigfoot mofos stays eyes blast its ass.

The scientific community won't admit the existence until one is actually killed. Let me have a shot at one of them bastards And out of curiosity, how in the hell is somebody going to get out a 500 + lbs boogie man out of the deep woods without cutting it up? See my avatar baby its hauled 6 deer at one time in south texas.   If it is cut up, they will say it is not what it is! Supposedly that has happened in Washington state already in the early 90s. I gotta call bullshit on this too if the fucker wasnt puree and just quartered they would be rich. ACman, go whack one of those hairy boogie men and get famous!

Brother every time I go in the woods I say a little prayer a female bigfoot in heat will slip up so I can put it to her in more ways than one.   you know get that dyeing quiver I know that was sick but I can not tell a lie.

Getting that "dying quiver" ain't all its cracked up to be!

Quoted: and several times in my life, I've seen some aliens get out of an Ugly Fuckin Oldmobile, and start talking some language I didn't understand.   If i could find out wher dem bigfoot mofos stays eyes blast its ass. See my avatar baby its hauled 6 deer at one time in south texas.

hey acman, don't them tajas deer weigh like 25 pounds or so? and I think most of that is in the antlers.

hey, whats faster and tejas deer, or a mexican cat?

Quoted: Okay, i donno what the heck is goin on in this thread except hat all of ya'll have cute little 1 letter nicknames for each other.....WTF is up with that???

well RT it just easier than typing out the 17 letters of my name (Lawrongiddafarugi) , and since I think I'm a bit dyslexic, D is easier than spelling Nad

Quoted: ... and since I think I'm a bit dyslexic, D is easier than spelling Nad

I am slightly dyslexic myself. It makes reading the National Enquirer difficult sometimes!

i've actually seen the security video of that casino...
its a trip. totally awesome. supposedly the tape was destroyed. gone forever.

there are 2 critters seen plainly and if i recall correctly it looks like a 3rd is out of the focus..

there is also a story...to it.
one of the cooks..had been disposing of extra food out back behind the casino...for a while.

obviously...she went of vacation..or didnt come to work for a few nights..and the monkees..came to the door knocking..and asking for some grub.

the tribe wont let anyone mess around up there...
"our friends tried to get permission and we were gonna be invited.."

yes..

there are plenty of places in OK where you stand a good chance of seeing a 4-10ft quadrapedal/bipedal primate that will weigh in somewhere between 400-1000lbs. usually with a small family group somewhere close by.

i have seen several..and have a degree in biology (Wildlife Mngt) and can tell you that i have hunted damn near everything in the midwest..and i have never seen an animal that moves as quick..as fast as one of these critters.

the first one i ever saw the entire body..(less than 30 yards) in broad daylight, with the naked eye and with a rifle scope, while deer hunting..in a treestand..exploded into brush on all 4's when he hit my scentline.. faster than any hog or bear i have ever seen. so fast that i was more stunned at that action..that with what i had seen as an animal.

we have found 26 inch prints(16 inches wide at the ball of the foot) ...and those bad boys were deep. my smallest prints were 4 inches..

for the record..
myself and another ARFCOM member are very good friends with the 2 brothers that were involved in hosing one a few years ago in Honobia..

i have also talked to older people who very well talk about first hand information about them being killed in the early 1900's.

the critter in question at Honobia was shot 2X..one lung shot..the other a brain shot. with a SKS, at close range. he was a belligerent young thing that had a social problem with humans. this shooting had several family members as witnesses.

2 other critters dragged it into the woodline and it was never found. all evidence of a kill was there.
blood, brain matter..hair.

the previous resident at that house..committed suicide ( with a gun)..due to his waking up and constantly seeing them in his window looking at him.

TIMBER COMPANIES..will not let you keep that body, if you are lucky enough to survive a family group that will not let your harrassment go unnoticed.

a spotted owl..stopped all logging..in a section of the Pacific Northwest. what do you think will happen to hundreds of thousands of acres of timber that is owned by TIMBER GIANTS...like the Big W, john hancock and others.

i've been messing with them for around 15 years now, in several areas..there are a helluva lot more of them than you think.


people can believe what they want...

but Hattak Offi ( choctaw for DOG MAN)..is the real deal.

                 



                 




ARE you feeling me on this one.

Dude put me on bigfoot And I'll put together a group of staunch white trash rednecks that
the OK National Guard couldn't take bigfoot away from let alone a timber company.

Honobia ....   You know what I find strange I've never hunted their but I have several friends that have hunted it that hunt deeper in the woods than most will go they never see them of course they don't mix their narcotics either

I guess priceless is what bigfoot would be worth but I figure seriously  Fox/CNN would give you  100 milion so fast you wouldn't believe it.

People crack me up with this bigfoot/Hattak Offi  shit.
I cant believe anybody buys into this. You can bait bigfoot with scraps and nobody has killed and kept the body get real.

BTW nothing personal  I just call'm the way i seeum.

As much as I like to "believe" the legend of Bigfoot, if I had shot at one and even if the body was dragged off by other bigfoots, I would have saved the blood and hair you said was there.

muddydog, you must have been friends with C----- W----- before he got fired.
They tried to talk me into setting up IR cameras on the police station (west side) to catch them coming out of the gulley across the road and north of the casino. The whole deal gave me the willies and I had no part of it. Hearing the babies cry on the campground late at night was enough to keep me away from Concho, not too mention what went on at the old polcie station.
The "chicken men" have been reported in Concho clear back to the late 60s and early 70s because of breaking into chicken coops and taking birds.
Those creatures aren't afraid of humans and can move INCREDIBLY fast.
1shott, DNA from hair, blood, and bone related to Bigfoot have been mapped and DO NOT resemble known DNA from apes or bears. Because they don't know what it is and do not want to be ridiculed, they just don't acknowledge it in the press.

Quoted: muddydog, you must have been friends with C----- W----- before he got fired. They tried to talk me into setting up IR cameras on the police station (west side) to catch them coming out of the gulley across the road and north of the casino. The whole deal gave me the willies and I had no part of it. Hearing the babies cry on the campground late at night was enough to keep me away from Concho, not too mention what went on at the old polcie station. The "chicken men" have been reported in Concho clear back to the late 60s and early 70s because of breaking into chicken coops and taking birds. Those creatures aren't afraid of humans and can move INCREDIBLY fast. 1shott, DNA from hair, blood, and bone related to Bigfoot have been mapped and DO NOT resemble known DNA from apes or bears. Because they don't know what it is and do not want to be ridiculed, they just don't acknowledge it in the press.

Danc46, I am not ridiculing anyone, I cna understand a reluctance to publish results on a creature you either believe in or dont, BUT I would think the scientific world would be willing to be open to such DNA evidance being released.

I for one would love to see any such evidence out there. Got a source you can IM me with?

Quoted: Quoted: and several times in my life, I've seen some aliens get out of an Ugly Fuckin Oldmobile, and start talking some language I didn't understand. Now that I have stated what I saw, feel free to Flame on, cause I'm easy, or so my gf tells me so Yeah, I saw those same aliens. No doubt that was an Olds Cutlass you saw them getting out of. Okla-lawman knows what I'm talking about too.  No flame from me, everything seemed right on.

I dont have a clue what you are talking about.

Quoted: I dont have a clue what you are talking about.

Sometimes, it's best just to pull a Clinton and deny everything.

1shott, a mention of the "unknown DNA" was made in NewsWeek a few years ago. Sorry but I can't remember the exact issue. And it's been mentioned in other magazines as well.  Basically because they cannot identify it, they cannot associate it to Bigfoot, whatever that specie/species may be.
Yeah, there may be more than one type of Bigfoot!
The hair, etc came from areas where incidents with Bigfoot occurred, including some that are not publicized for fear of ridicule.
Some people debunk and ridicule even true incidents sometimes for reasons only they know.

Obviously you have me confused with someone else.

Bigfoot believer has a bear of a task ahead
By ROD WALTON World Staff Writer  

Copyright: Tulsa World: January 29, 2000

Capturing Kiamichi Sasquatch is no easy feat

HONOBIA, Oklahoma-- For anyone who doubts that he really saw Sasquatch lurking in the Kiamichi Mountains, local believer Tim Humphreys has a cure-all for their skepticism.

``We'll just tie deer liver around their neck and come in the woods in the dark for a night,'' the longtime woodsman said. ``And I promise you they'll be a believer before the morning.''

It may take something so dramatic to convince many folks that there is, indeed, a Bigfoot in Little
Dixie, but the experiences of Humphreys and several other locals have more and more people wondering if the fabled, reclusive -- and possibly fictitious -- monster has migrated into southeastern Oklahoma. From Honobia to Smithville, from Battiest to Octavia, the word is out. Bigfoot is making tracks, or at least that's what many locals think.

``A lot of them think it's a big joke,'' said Linda Martin, who runs Clancy's Country Store, a popular
gathering place in Honobia on the LeFlore and Pushmataha county line. W hile most people would scoff and laugh at the notion of a hirsute, manlike critter roaming the Sooner State, Martin isn't laughing. She said she has seen the footprints, 15 inches long and 7 inches wide.

She also claims to have heard a tape recording, revealing a whistling-like sound that resembles an
elk's call, only louder. ``It's pretty believable,'' Martin said. She also said she has heard the stories from Humphreys and the others who claim to have seen Sasquatch with their own eyes. They describe a tall, hairy creature who resembles a man more than the typical ape.

And they've gotten mankind riled up around the Kiamichis. A Poteau paper reported that Smithville
residents held a town meeting to discuss the sightings. State forester Jim Langdon said his rangers have been inundated with calls from locals who are curious about the sightings. ``This is a little wilder than normal,'' said Langdon, who has lived in the Kiamichi area since 1982.

Previous to these alleged sightings, any so-called proof of Sasquatch's existence focused mainly on western reports ranging from northern California to British Columbia. In 1967, a Yakima, Wash., man named Roger Patterson attracted international attention with a 16 mm film of a female Bigfoot taken in northern California.

The last reported sighting of a tall, hairy, manlike creature roaming in Oklahoma was in 1971 in El Reno. But that beast was dubbed the ``Abominable Chicken Man'' because of its hunger for a farmer's chickens. The worldwide legend surrounding the mysterious primate, also known as the Abominable Snowman, has inspired movies and countless theories. But until now, an ``actual'' Sasquatch has not been reported in Oklahoma. Until Tim Humphreys.

A lifelong resident of the Kiamichis, Humphreys said he started noticing the strange screaming and odd-looking creatures in the woods about three years ago.

This winter, though, Bigfoot supposedly got up close and personal with the Humphreys. One creature went so far as to stare through a window of the family's home, ``scaring the hell out of'' Humphreys' 3-year-old daughter, he said. ``They had been beating on my house, scaring my kids
playing in the woods, yelling and screaming and scratching,'' Humphreys said. ``They spilled meat out of the freezer.''

The closest contact may have come in the woods, though, for Humphreys said he saw four at one time andshot one of them. Proof of a body? Not so lucky -- according to store owner Martin, surviving Bigfoots conveniently carry off and bury their own. Pictures? Humphreys has them,
but he said he is not ready to produce them for the world, not even the Tulsa World.

``People are going to say what they want to say; I'm not in this for the recognition,'' Humphreys said. ``I didn't go out looking for them.'' The curious, though, have come looking for Humphreys
since he went public with his Sasquatch sightings. Several private investigators traveled into the woods with him and also saw the beasts, he said, but hard proof is, well, hard to come by.

So the rumors fly faster than an Abominable Snowman off a Himalayan cliff.

State wildlife biologist Mike Sams has heard the whisperings about a giant ``Stairmaster on Winding Stair Mountain,'' and has even been the subject of a rumor or two himself.

``The latest rumor has me shooting him,'' said Sams, who admitted that he has never had Sasquatch in his gun sight. ``And apparently I can't shoot well enough to kill one. I just wounded him.'' Local tales about the Horror of Honobia won't die, either. Local resident Leroy Williams said he hasn't seen the beast himself, but he knows people who say they have. ``They say that at night they've seen the eyes glowing,'' Williams said.

State forester John Clark said he believes that the beast Humphreys and others supposedly saw may have been a black bear, which are fairly common in the Kiamichis. And, although he doubted he existence of a Bigfoot in his back yard, Clark said he knows that something strange made quite an impression on Humphreys.``It's spooked him, whatever it was,'' Clark said.

Martin said a close friend observed a deer kill allegedly left behind by a Sasquatch. The telltale
sign, she said, is that the deer carcass was basically whole except for a missing liver.

Humphreys warned that Bigfoot will end up worse than that if its kind makes another foray onto his land. ``All the fear is gone out of me,'' he said. ``I know what they look like. I know their tricks. They better stay away from me.'' For those who would love to see living proof of a longtime legend, though, the hope is that Sasquatch, if it actually exists, might someday come close enough
to be filmed or captured.

``I just try to stay out of it until there's some proof,'' Langdon, the area forester, said. When it comes to Sasquatch sightings, however, proof isn't half the fun. The story is. And Humphreys is certainly sticking to his story. ``I'm not calling around trying to convince people,'' he said. ``People are asking me, and I'm telling what I've seen.''

Rod Walton, World staff writer, can be reached at
581-8457 or via e-mail at [email protected].


News article courtesy Ron Schaffner

One more article to show this has been around a LONG time!

Fate Magazine
"Manimals" Make Tracks in Oklahoma

Behind widespread reports of ape- and cat-like creatures lurks a mystery
whose existence we have only begun to suspect.

by Jerome Clark, September, 1971


Something weird is going on in Oklahoma.
A series of reports of an ape-like being seen in Lawton, a city in the southwestern part of the state, received widespread publicity early in March 1971 but investigation by a FATE reporter suggests the startling possibility that other mystery animals are also haunting the Sooner State.

On Friday, February 26, 1971, C. Edward Green and his wife were driving home along Lake Avenue in Lawton about 11:00 P.M. when they saw a strange figure walking beside the road.

"He was walking bent over like a gorilla," Green said later, "but not on all fours. He wore black pants that were cut or torn off at the knees and he had a big beard - it began higher up on his face that beards usually do - and long hair, very unkempt."

When the Greens reached their apartment shortly after seeing the strange creature they called the police. They assumed they had seen a mentally disturbed person.

A few minutes later - at 11:15 - the sound of police sirens brought Green to the window of his second-floor apartment. He pulled the curtains and found himself staring into the face of the figure he had seen on the road.

"He was crouched down on the walkway," Green reported, "and while I was startled myself, I noticed that the person, or whatever, was either extremely frightened or not oriented to his surroundings. There was a glazed expression in his eyes as if he didn't quite understand where he was.

"His hair and beard were very black and he himself was dark-complected. He was barefooted - his feet looked normal - and he stood at least six feet tall. Nothing about his body seemed disproportioned.

"When he saw me he jumped to the gravel below. Now that's about a 15-foot jump but it didn't seem to bother him. He must have been very strong. I didn't stay to watch him run away.



"I think - or rather I like to think - he was some mentally deficient person."

Green was not the only Lawton resident who reported seeing the creature that night. Just before his experience at the window a group of passerby had seen a "monkey-like" figure running down a nearby street, dodging cars, hiding behind bushes and then running on. And 15 minutes after Green's second encounter a group of Fort Sill soldiers, leaving a grocery store three blocks away, saw a similar strange creature amble past.

Almost exactly 24 hours later the creature appeared again and this time nearly caused a man to have a heart attack - literally.

Donald Childs, a 36-year-old television technician with a history of heart trouble, stepped into his backyard at 11:00 P.M. having heard a noise outside. He thought it might be a prowler. Instead he came upon someone or something "real huge, way over six feet tall. He was trying to get a drink out of the pond," Childs said, "but the pond is empty."

"He had long hair all over his face. Maybe he had a beard too. I don't know. It was dark and I couldn't tell for sure. He was wearing dark-colored pants that were way too little and a plaid jacket that was kind of too small. His legs, what I could see of 'em, seemed hairy, but like I said, it was dark and I couldn't swear to it."

"All of a sudden he saw me and he was as scared of me as I was of him. He didn't even stand up or get any kind of running start - he just sprung from his squatting position and jumped clear over the pond. The next day I measured it and that pond is 12 feet across!"

"He could really run - awful fast. He ran kind of hunched over like an ape in a Tarzan movie. He wasn't running on all fours. It was definitely a man. I'm sure he was somebody - you know - mentally off. I've heard that people like that have strength that normal people don't have."

Childs suffered a heart seizure from the excitement and spent the next few days recovering from it.

Later a police officer told Childs that the department received about 20 calls from persons who reported seeing a similar person (or animal) between Friday and Monday but the story did not appear in the Lawton newspapers until the next Tuesday, March 2. Then the local press gave the reports headline treatment.

After the publicity, Childs heard from a farmer three miles south of Lawton who had an odd problem, one neither the sheriff nor the Cattleman's Association, to whom he had appealed, could help with.

About once a month for the last year, he said, he had been finding either a calf or a full-grown cow lying dead in his field with one of its legs ripped off. The rest of the carcass never was wounded or marked. It seemed as if someone possessing incredible strength approached the animals, tore off a leg and left the animals to die - but no footprints ever were found to offer a clue to the nature of the attacker.

By Wednesday, the Lawton police had an "explanation" which satisfied everyone except those who actually had seen the strange creature. Captain Crawford Hawkins, head of the juvenile division, told reporters that three youths, one aged 15 and the others 14, confessed they were playing "ape" in the area where Green and the others had seen a creature Friday night.

"They told me," Hawkins said, "that one of their mothers had given them a mask to play with and they were cavorting around the yard acting like apes."

While the press at first was careful to note that the sightings of Saturday night remained unexplained, later the story changed and the papers assumed all of the witnesses had been deluded by three kids playing apeman.

Green dismisses the police claims out of hand. "I talked with the kids and I saw the mask," he says. "It bears no resemblance to what I saw. The mask was grotesque. The man's face was not. And it would have been pretty evident if the man had been wearing a mask. Furthermore, I didn't even see any kids around."

The police explanation is dubious on other grounds as well. No one has suggested (directly, at any rate) that the figure Donald Childs saw was a boy in an ape mask and it seems clear from Childs' and Green's descriptions, both noting the creature's ability to jump relatively great distances with no difficulty, that they saw the same thing - whatever it was.

Lawton's "Wolfman" (as that city's papers inexplicably dubbed the animal) arrived on the heels of the "Abominable Chicken Man." The "Chicken Man," although never seen, left convincing evidence of his presence at a farm near El Reno, 30 miles west of Oklahoma City.

One morning in December, 1970, according to an Associated Press story datelined February 27, a farmer found the door to his chicken coop ripped off and lying on the ground. On the surface of the door and inside the coop itself were strange hand prints about seven inches long and five inches wide. When he saw that several of his chickens had disappeared with out a trace, he called the local state game ranger.

The door was shipped to zoologist Lawrence Curtis, director of the Oklahoma City Zoo. After a study that included comparisons with the hand and paw prints of human beings, apes, monkeys, bears and other animals, Curtis confessed his bafflement. "I don't know what this is," he said. "It resembles a gorilla but it's more like a man." According to Curtis the creature's thumb crooks inward as if deformed or injured.

"It appears that whatever made the prints was walking on all fours," he said, judging from the footprints on the ground outside the coop. Unfortunately these were not preserved.

"We've shown it to mammalogists and wildlife experts in Oklahoma and some passing through," Curtis went on. "All agree it is (the print of) a primate. These were made by some sort of man." The man, if such he was, was barefooted.

Curtis added that he heard from a man in Stillwater and a woman in McAlester who had discovered similar prints.

In its February 28 issue The Oklahoma Journal announced in a front page story: "Hen House Terror Just Monkey Stuff." Staff writer Jane Berryman wrote that Howard Dreeson, who operated a sawmill in Calumet 13 miles west of El Reno, had seen a chimpanzee in the woods several times and tried unsuccessfully to catch it. The reporter quotes zoo director Curtis' suggestion that a chimp may have escaped from a psychology laboratory at the University of Oklahoma at Norman. (Curtis told FATE in early April that "these prints are definitely not from a chimp.")

A check with the laboratory in question (run by Dr. Bill Lemon of the university's psychology department) elicited amused assurance that no chimps were missing.

Dreeson himself believes the animal escaped from a circus train wreck or derailment near Mulhall some years ago. (Mulhall is about 50 miles northeast of Calumet in central Oklahoma.) FATE was able to determine, however, that the "wreck" was a minor one and no animals got away.

How does Dreeson know it is a chimp?

"I've seen 'em on television." he says. "You ought to see this fella - actually I think it's a female. It's about, oh, 30, 31 inches tall and it's got a face that looks like a prune. Cute little fella. Sure would like to catch it."

Dreeson regularly leaves food for the animal, which he has seen three times, always at dusk.

"I always leave out oranges and bananas," he says. "They're gone in a couple of days and I never find the skins."

He keeps a heavy net in his pickup truck hoping one day to snare the animal. "I have a good idea where it might be spending the night now and if I can't catch it," he observes, "maybe at least I can get a picture of it. I keep a camera with me at all time these days."

The supposed chimpanzee is not the only out-of-place animal Howard Dreeson has seen. One evening in early 1969 he was driving nine miles north of Calumet on the Ocharche Road when a panther-like animal crossed in front of his car and disappeared into the timber.

"It looked at me," he says, "and its eyes shone. It was black as jet and had a real long tail. Its body must've been three feet long, maybe longer."

"Folks around here are always seeing funny things but they never like to talk about 'em. Everybody takes a sort of 'so what?' attitude. Just the other day this fella said to me, 'I seen something mighty strange out by the timber.' I asked him, 'Well, what was it?' and he said, 'Dad gummed if I know.' That kinda killed the conversation right there."

Melvin Harmon and his son Jimmy of El Reno saw a large black "cat-like" animal about dusk one evening in 1956 when they were harvesting wheat. The younger Harmon, working alone in the field, saw it first. Badly frightened, he hurried home and told his father. Jimmy refused to go back without a gun but his father, skeptical and a bit annoyed, went out - only to run into the creature on his own. He raced back to his pickup to get his rifle but when he returned to the field the animal was gone. He never saw it again.

The strangest report comes from Mrs. Lawrence Laub of Calumet who says that early one evening in 1951 she went out to check on the cattle, walked to the top of a hill between the farmhouse and the pasture and looked down to see a weird "something."

Its head and body resembled those of a deer but only superficially. The animal, standing on four thin deer-like legs but with huge pads for feet had long hair slightly lighter in color than a German shepherd dog's. It was larger than a dog or a wolf and had small pointed ears and a bushy tail.

Mrs. Laub watched it for about half a minute, then picked up a stick and tossed it toward the animal whose head was turned away from her. The stick attracted the creature's attention and it turned to watch Mrs. Laub, apparently curious but not at all afraid.

This proved too much for Mrs. Laub. Quite unnerved, she beat a retreat, all the while glancing over her shoulder at the animal which continued to study her. Her husband had seen the same or a similar creature two years previously and in the meantime neighbors had reported coming upon strange tracks in their fields.

"But it never bothered our livestock," Mrs. Laub says. "There's a lot of underbrush out there and it would have been easy for it to prey on our cattle - but it never did. I really have no idea what it was. Some kind of freak of nature, I'd guess."

Both Calumet and El Reno lie close to the North Canadian River - as does Canton, about 40 miles northwest of Calumet. Ten miles southwest of Canton is Oakwood. In the Canton-Oakwood area in January 1969 Deward Whetstone found tracks 10 1/2 inches long and four inches wide. The plaster casts he made suggest that whoever or whatever made them was some type of primate. The tracks show a deep split between the first two toes and the weight of the body apparently placed most of the pressure on the outside edge of the foot. At the time he found the prints, says Whetstone, the ground was soft due to a spell of wet weather.

"There were tracks all the way across the road. I followed them to where whatever made them jumped the fence. There have been a number of sightings of a strange animal in this area."

Another one who saw it is Roger Boucher of Oakwood. He was returning from Canton one night in November 1968 when his headlights caught a "gorilla-like" animal running across the highway. This occurred five miles north of Oakwood.

A local paper noted that "area residents had occasionally reported seeing a mountain lion but ... this is the only other animal not readily identifiable as native to the area that has ever been reported.

In extreme southern Oklahoma near the eastern shore of Lake Texoma 10 miles west of Durant and about 110 miles southwest of Lawton, Ray Sutterfield of Paris, Tex., encountered a cat-like animal while he was hunting in the woodlands in late 1959 or early 1960. As he passed a brush pile he startled the creature, which apparently had been sleeping, and he saw it jump several feet into the air, then leap a distance of "15 or 20 feet" before it disappeared in the underbrush.

The cat, a "dirty yellow" color, had "pointed ears and a bushy tail." But its most distinguishing feature was a series of black stripes all along its body. They began just behind the shoulders and extended underneath the body to a corresponding spot on the opposite side. The body itself was about four feet long with a tail one and a half to two feet in length. Its tracks, according to Sutterfield's report, were larger than a bobcat's but smaller than a cougar's.

The northwest boundary of Lamar County, Tex., which borders Oklahoma, is only 50 miles southeast of the location of Sutterfield's sighting. Near the tiny village of Direct reports of a mystery animal something like a panther are not uncommon. An article in The Paris News in July 1965 quotes a woman from Direct:

"We can expect it in the last part of June and again in October just before deer season begins. We figure it migrates through here yearly."

Direct residents call it a "manimal" and that it leaves tracks like a cat's except its claws show. (A cat's claws are retractable.) The prints are so large that a man can put both hands in one track.

The "manimal" makes a sound that at first resembles the cry of a wildcat but soon the voice begins to deepen and takes on the quality of the screams of a man in pain. "Its wail is guaranteed to raise goose pimples," Direct citizens say.

The tracks indicate that the animal weighs about 190 or 200 pounds and runs on all fours in eight-foot leaps. In June it moves westward and in October it reverses direction and comes east.

A Direct woman describes her first encounter with the "manimal":

"One evening as I was walking around the house with a flashlight I turned at the corner of the house and I must have startled the thing as much as it startled me. It made one tremendous jump and left the yard. I hurried back in the house and called my cousin. We stood at the window and watched it as it crossed a fence and then stood on its hind legs staring back at us. It stood about six feet, two inches tall. Finally it walked away on all fours.

So what have we here? Apparently we are dealing with a phenomenon whose existence we have only begun to suspect. Except for Sasquatch and Bigfoot, mysterious animals in this country have received comparatively little attention. Only recently have researchers realized how widespread reports of ape- and cat-like creatures may be. It is interesting that both kinds of animals often appear in the same general area.

What are they? And why has no one yet been able to kill or capture a specimen of wither? Like UFOs (with which some theorists link these mystery animals) they are "tangible intangibles." They are seen regularly and they even leave traces - but so far they have manages to elude us. All we have at this point are the reports, hundreds of them, from apparently reliable witnesses, of the movements and activities of weird phenomenal species we may never be able to catch.

© Fate Magazine

I do often travel and camp by myself in some out of the way places, even walk in the dark (on roads), and one day hope to see bigfoot( the creature, not movie), hopefully I'll have a camera with me and can take pics, if not I'll just shoot it and then take pics, and right after I sell the pics or body, which ever I got, I'll post them for everyone to see, right here on the board, until then though I'll  keep my eyes on the sky line and nose in the wind.

there have been many instances of DNA being sent in on credible samples..i know of one in particular, on a personal level.

for a DNA workup to be performed..you have to have a template as a control.

i am certified to perform any laboratory testing known to man..i have done a ton of DNA work at some of the largest hospitals in Ok...

the basics are the same...no matter where you are.

every specimen..that has ever been sent in...(if you can find someone that will accept it for testing, which is unbelievably hard to do) has either been lost..or comes up as unknown...or unable to match.

i always love the bravado...that men..conjure up..about how big and bad..they are in the woods..and how they could hunt one down...

i can guarantee you...in a 6 hour period..in 3 known places of routine activity..that you will be wondering if its time to go home..

when those tree knocks..start coming closer..in 3-4 directions...and all those different mimic calls they do..not to mention its usually dark ...pitch black in a bottom somewhere. and you can hear breathing and something walking on all 4's then switching to a bipedal gait.

because..i'm a helluva hunter..and woodsmen..and my hunting buddies are as well..
and we have a damn healthy respect for them and what they can do..

believe me or think i'm crazy...

i really dont care..
i know what i see, hear and smell..when i'm out there..


you wanna know exactly how one runs on all 4's

watch that latest planet of the apes..
its almost perfect.

Lot of weed smokers in Okla I hear

Weed smoking has nothing to do with it. I know people who are cynical and skeptical by nature that have had one "extraordinary" experience and changed their opinion.
You don't have those type of experiences sitting at a keyboard all day!

i always love the bravado...that men..conjure up..about how big and bad..they are in the woods..and how they could hunt one down... i can guarantee you...in a 6 hour period..in 3 known places of routine activity..that you will be wondering if its time to go home..

RED  Hell i've read in this thread you can bait them with table scraps call me crazy sounds like bear hunting not like it takes a bad ass woodsman by any means.

Bluei can guarantee you i'm waiting on locations where I can just go out and be covered up with bigfoots "hell i cant do that with deer in ok" again back to the part in red if their that easy to be covered up with why no body? not to mention if it's such routine activity their would be tracks everywhere  

IF anyone ever shows me the locations to these bigfoot hotspots you better inform the retards that dressing up like a bear is a bad idea

I'm free next weekend so somebody please tell me where the bigfoot hotspot is that it's legal for me to carry a rifle in the woods i'll go.

elvisp Lot of weed smokers in Okla I hear

More like LSD or mushrooms.

Quoted: Weed smoking has nothing to do with it. I know people who are cynical and skeptical by nature that have had one "extraordinary" experience and changed their opinion. You don't have those type of experiences sitting at a keyboard all day!

Your absolutely correct that's why I volunteer myself my cetme&444marlin for a weekend of bigfoot hunting.

I really want to go to one of these spots where I'll be scared shittless in 6hrs.

Quoted: Quoted: Weed smoking has nothing to do with it. I know people who are cynical and skeptical by nature that have had one "extraordinary" experience and changed their opinion. You don't have those type of experiences sitting at a keyboard all day! Your absolutely correct that's why I volunteer myself my cetme&444marlin for a weekend of bigfoot hunting. I really want to go to one of these spots where I'll be scared shittless in 6hrs.

If you guys arrange a "bigfoot hunt" I may have to make a road trip! Just dont be offering me any weed!

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Weed smoking has nothing to do with it. I know people who are cynical and skeptical by nature that have had one "extraordinary" experience and changed their opinion. You don't have those type of experiences sitting at a keyboard all day! Your absolutely correct that's why I volunteer myself my cetme&444marlin for a weekend of bigfoot hunting. I really want to go to one of these spots where I'll be scared shittless in 6hrs. If you guys arrange a "bigfoot hunt" I may have to make a road trip! Just dont be offering me any weed!

But Dude it like enhances the whole bigfoot experience.

If you have a close encounter with a bigfoot, you won't using paper to roll smokes, I can promise!

Quoted: If you have a close encounter with a bigfoot, you won't using paper to roll smokes, I can promise!

I know you really don't buy into this bigfoot shit.    At least I hope you dont.

I'm serious though as broke as I am right now I would go to a spot where I would be surronded by bigfoot's in 6 hrs.

I just hope to god someone isnt' stupid enough to "dress up" to show what a PUSS I really am.

The rifles won't be the ar's they will be shit you need cover not concealment
to deflect the bullet.  

I have never seen Bigfoot but two officers I know have. It profoundly effected both of them.  One of them to the point he wont go out into anything like the woods at night time.  I have worked with this guy for years and he aint scared of much...but when it comes to that. I dont know what they saw, what threw rocks at them. But  saw something that changed his life.

"Acman"   Shakes his head opens a beer and mutters something about

I wish they didn't drug test where I work then maybee I could see bigfoot.

If I still had my ATV, we could go a cruise the roads one night looking......

Quoted: If I still had my ATV, we could go a cruise the roads one night looking......

you can always ride bitch on mine I can always use sombody to make me a sammich

Quoted: Quoted: If I still had my ATV, we could go a cruise the roads one night looking...... you can always ride bitch on mine I can always use sombody to make me a sammich

Ummmmmmm no thanks, think I will pass on that.....

Quoted: I have never seen Bigfoot but two officers I know have. It profoundly effected both of them.  One of them to the point he wont go out into anything like the woods at night time.  I have worked with this guy for years and he aint scared of much...but when it comes to that. I dont know what they saw, what threw rocks at them. But  saw something that changed his life.

You're not talking about the one across from Frontier City on I-35 by chance? I've heard of some funny things happening over there and  Oklahoma County Deputies being involved one night.
I'm not afraid of much myself but something about the bigfoot sends chills down my spine. Shooting one might be really bad ju-ju. One of the tribal police around Concho wanted to set up an ambush on them and make his "retirement". It took quite a bit to talk him out of it. It flat ass scares me!
Whether you want to believe in the Sasquatch, Bigfoot, or whatever those creatures are, or not believe,  lots of people do.
Acman, I am not arrogant enough to think I know it all or to believe something doesn't exist because I have never seen it. And when it comes right down to it, I know you are not either.
The world is sometimes not what we think it is!

Quoted: snip Acman, I am not arrogant enough to think I know it all or to believe something doesn't exist because I have never seen it. And when it comes right down to it, I know you are not either. The world is sometimes not what we think it is!

Your absolutely correct I far from think I know everything.

BUT

The notion that Bigfoot digs around in scraps from restraunts on a regelar basis and Their is such an abundance of these creatures someone can put me in a spot where I will be scared shitless in 6hrs is foolishness.

If thier was anywhere near that many of them and they were that easy to come across theirs no damn way someone hasn't baged one and got enough witnesses and press that even the guberment would have trouble covering it up.  "think about it the jfk coverup wasn't exactly succesful sheeple just don't want to beleive the govt would kill it's own top man doesn't mean they dont know that's what happend"

Could their be Bigfoot hell yes but I figure it's about as likely as oswald doing all the shooting in dallas that day.

You guys want to give me the creeps and scare me take me to one of those rattlesnake shows.
Now that will creep me out.

BTW if you were talking a rare sighting in some super remote place I might buy into the fact that anythings possible but bigfoot running wild in populated areas and nobody has killed one is about as likely as these guys showing up.

Dan dont take it personal bro  I don't beleive we ever landed on the moon......... so I guess we all got our Quirks.

Quoted: Quoted: I have never seen Bigfoot but two officers I know have. It profoundly effected both of them.  One of them to the point he wont go out into anything like the woods at night time.  I have worked with this guy for years and he aint scared of much...but when it comes to that. I dont know what they saw, what threw rocks at them. But  saw something that changed his life. You're not talking about the one across from Frontier City on I-35 by chance? I've heard of some funny things happening over there and  Oklahoma County Deputies being involved one night. I'm not afraid of much myself but something about the bigfoot sends chills down my spine. Shooting one might be really bad ju-ju. One of the tribal police around Concho wanted to set up an ambush on them and make his "retirement". It took quite a bit to talk him out of it. It flat ass scares me! Whether you want to believe in the Sasquatch, Bigfoot, or whatever those creatures are, or not believe,  lots of people do. Acman, I am not arrogant enough to think I know it all or to believe something doesn't exist because I have never seen it. And when it comes right down to it, I know you are not either. The world is sometimes not what we think it is!

No these guys were off duty. They were up in Adair county if I remember right. When I first heard about it I thiught they were BSing. I know both of these guys and they aint lying. I do not think someone was playing a joke on them either.  Knowing these two I am suprised that there was not one dead bigfoot. Must of never got a shot.

Quoted: Dan dont take it personal bro  I don't beleive we ever landed on the moon......... so I guess we all got our Quirks.

I don't take it personal! Hell, it's just opinions we are talking about.
But the Lucky Starr deal ain't no BS. And other "incidents" aren't either. Sure there is lots of BS about all types of things and we have to sort out what is and what ain't.
But some of this stuff has substance and ain't just smoke.
We can agree to that and then go from there!

Quoted: No these guys were off duty. They were up in Adair county if I remember right. When I first heard about it I thiught they were BSing. I know both of these guys and they aint lying. I do not think someone was playing a joke on them either.  Knowing these two I am suprised that there was not one dead bigfoot. Must of never got a shot.

Thought it might have been the incidents that were reported in the summer of 2004. Guess not!
I've never seen one, probably never will in the wild. But the videotape that has been mentioned was seen by some people I know and they were "spooked" talking about it. The whole thing about this topic is people either say it's possible, it ain't possible, and it's a sure thing.
Me, I say it's more than probable SOMETHING is out there.

Quoted: Quoted: No these guys were off duty. They were up in Adair county if I remember right. When I first heard about it I thiught they were BSing. I know both of these guys and they aint lying. I do not think someone was playing a joke on them either.  Knowing these two I am suprised that there was not one dead bigfoot. Must of never got a shot. Thought it might have been the incidents that were reported in the summer of 2004. Guess not! I've never seen one, probably never will in the wild. But the videotape that has been mentioned was seen by some people I know and they were "spooked" talking about it. The whole thing about this topic is people either say it's possible, it ain't possible, and it's a sure thing. Me, I say it's more than probable SOMETHING is out there.

I want to see the video.

Quoted: Lot of weed smokers in Okla I hear

probably an equal amount of meth use going on nowdays.

and I've been told by more worldly indians than myself, "that you'll never travel so far, nor see God quite as clearly as when chewing on a piece of peyote", now I've never seen God, but I've spoke to him a few times, and I've been to 42 of the lower 48 and to canada and mexico, but if smoking pot makes you see bigfoot, then let me have a couple of tokes, cause I'm ready, I want to see a real life dinosuar, a wooly mamoth and the lochness monster also, and to me, smoking a little pot would be well worth doing if I would get to see what I want.

To add: I have no dought that these animals exist or once existed, and I cannot discount the sighting of others as I have no evidence to ponder, but if there is a place to see any of these things, I will travel, hell I'll even go an pick up acman to ride shotgun, and we will bring back some pics or the animal should one be unlucky enough to let itself be seen.