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Posted: 4/18/2005 12:38:39 PM EDT
I don't know if I've mentioned her before but I work with this hag who is about the biggest liberal, socialist idiot I've ever been around. She's a mid-thirties divorcee, basically made it impossible for her husband so he filed, who has some strange ideas about most everything. Vehemently, anti-gun, anti-hunting, anti-US, etc.. Extreme enough that she missed half a days work when her ride left an off-site meeting early; she would 't ride in my truck because it "smells like explosives" and has an NRA sticker on it. I think you get the picture.

I have this meeting every Monday and she's one of the participants. A manger in another group that I'm in the process of helping build a AR is also there. Got a Yankee Hill catalog over the weekend and tossed in the bag this morning knowing I'd see him. So I show up 10 minutes or so early. He and I are sitting in the conference room with another woman and a couple of other men. He's looking at the catalog and we're talking FF tubes. The other three people kinda looked up when we started, woman asked a question or two, and that was the limit of their interest, back to what they were doing.

In walks hagzilla. Spots the catalog, and goes ballistic. 5 minute rant on why he and I are the cause of all evil and the rest are supporting us for not having reported us to HR and security. Now, I am ALWAYS very polite and courteous to this woman even though she never is to me. While she's running her mouth we put the catalog away and tried to get her to stop a couple of times before giving up and letting her run down. She finishes, insists I remember the catalog from the room before we can continue. (Guess the evil might rub off or something??! The guy I brought it in for tells her to grow up and puts the catalog on top of some of his other stuff. She insisted he cover it with something.) We have our meeting and I return to my office. So I'm working away when here comes the HR nazi. Seems hagzilla had complained about me creating a hostile work environment. We discuss the issue, she agrees to talk to some of the others, decides its not really a big deal and tells me to forget about it. Says she'll talk to hagzilla and tell her to act more like a professional and adult. Guess that didn't go well. Seems hagzilla is filing a harrassment complaint against the HR nazi, me, and the manager.

I've been specifically told that I'm not in violation of any company policy by having gun related material in my office including a picture of my nephew's team of snake eaters. Seems one of the things she complained about was specifically my picture. Now I'm in a controlled access area (which shes does not have access to and has never been in to my knowledge) and it would seem my picture causes her daily pain!!!!

Geez, I hate mondays!
Link Posted: 4/18/2005 12:46:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By XD_Fan:
I don't know if I've mentioned her before but I work with this hag who is about the biggest liberal, socialist idiot I've ever been around. She's a mid-thirties divorcee, basically made it impossible for her husband so he filed, who has some strange ideas about most everything. Vehemently, anti-gun, anti-hunting, anti-US, etc.. Extreme enough that she missed half a days work when her ride left an off-site meeting early; she would 't ride in my truck because it "smells like explosives" and has an NRA sticker on it. I think you get the picture.

I have this meeting every Monday and she's one of the participants. A manger in another group that I'm in the process of helping build a AR is also there. Got a Yankee Hill catalog over the weekend and tossed in the bag this morning knowing I'd see him. So I show up 10 minutes or so early. He and I are sitting in the conference room with another woman and a couple of other men. He's looking at the catalog and we're talking FF tubes. The other three people kinda looked up when we started, woman asked a question or two, and that was the limit of their interest, back to what they were doing.

In walks hagzilla. Spots the catalog, and goes ballistic. 5 minute rant on why he and I are the cause of all evil and the rest are supporting us for not having reported us to HR and security. Now, I am ALWAYS very polite and courteous to this woman even though she never is to me. While she's running her mouth we put the catalog away and tried to get her to stop a couple of times before giving up and letting her run down. She finishes, insists I remember the catalog from the room before we can continue. (Guess the evil might rub off or something??! The guy I brought it in for tells her to grow up and puts the catalog on top of some of his other stuff. She insisted he cover it with something.) We have our meeting and I return to my office. So I'm working away when here comes the HR nazi. Seems hagzilla had complained about me creating a hostile work environment. We discuss the issue, she agrees to talk to some of the others, decides its not really a big deal and tells me to forget about it. Says she'll talk to hagzilla and tell her to act more like a professional and adult. Guess that didn't go well. Seems hagzilla is filing a harrassment complaint against the HR nazi, me, and the manager.

I've been specifically told that I'm not in violation of any company policy by having gun related material in my office including a picture of my nephew's team of snake eaters. Seems one of the things she complained about was specifically my picture. Now I'm in a controlled access area (which shes does not have access to and has never been in to my knowledge) and it would seem my picture causes her daily pain!!!!

Geez, I hate mondays!



Was told the other day that there had been complaints about me surfing "Gun Related Material". I answered with "There's no difference between gun related material and FISHING related material" (which he is regularly looking at).

<<SIGH>>

At least I'm not the only one.
Link Posted: 4/18/2005 12:47:51 PM EDT
Discrimination is alive and well in America. I'd file a counter complaint outlining what you just told us. Get her fired!
Link Posted: 4/18/2005 12:47:54 PM EDT
I can't stand people like that.
Counter with slander and harrassment.
Link Posted: 4/18/2005 12:54:34 PM EDT
It's people like you that have secured the freedoms for people like her. You would think she could show some appreciation. It allways shocks me when someone runs off at the mouth like that. You have to wonder does she even have a clue as to why she can say the things she does. Look her in the eye and yell FREEDOM.
Link Posted: 4/18/2005 12:56:24 PM EDT
WHen you are done telling her to kiss YOUR ass, tell her to kiss MY ass too.
Link Posted: 4/18/2005 12:57:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Soulrack223:
Discrimination is alive and well in America. I'd file a counter complaint outlining what you just told us. Get her fired!



I'm way above lowering myself to her level. I'll probably just ask her if she's still having troubles getting a date. Guess her husband left when she gave a rather public ration of shit about his deviant sex demands. I think he might have somehow gotten the idea there might be some sex involved in marriage.

The fact I'm not already on the way out the door says it all.
Link Posted: 4/18/2005 12:59:58 PM EDT
Your boss should fire her. She sounds like a lawsuit just waiting to happen if not for this it will be for something else.
Link Posted: 4/18/2005 1:02:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By jcncc:
It's people like you that have secured the freedoms for people like her. You would think she could show some appreciation. It allways shocks me when someone runs off at the mouth like that. You have to wonder does she even have a clue as to why she can say the things she does. Look her in the eye and yell FREEDOM.



Remember the part about anti-US. She has "proof" that US soldiers are committing war crimes in Iraq. I told she should go lay down in fron t of an Israeli bulldozer if she feels so strongly about it. That bought two whole weeks of none-of-her!!!!
Link Posted: 4/18/2005 1:04:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BIGDUKESIX:
Your boss should fire her. She sounds like a lawsuit just waiting to happen if not for this it will be for something else.



My boss wouldn't have hired her. Her boss is sorry she did. I'm supposed to talk to corporate legal here in a few minutes. Shits happening fast.
Link Posted: 4/18/2005 1:07:59 PM EDT
I'm sorry to hear that you are being harassed by hagzilla. I work in a much smaller environment, 10 people, for over a decade. Everyone knows everyone else very well, BBQ's, picnics, etc. Occasionally, I have some AR parts delivered. Maybe some spare mags. Sometimes some ammunition from ctd. One woman always asks me, in an accusatory fashion : "Is that a gun?!". I've politely explained many times that is not the case. There is a hagzilla equivalent wherever one goes.
Link Posted: 4/18/2005 1:17:57 PM EDT
Keep in mind that firearms and the parts they are made of are NOT illegal, therfore you looking at pictures of these metal parts should be none of her concern. Should you be able to prevent her from looking at a Birkenstock catalog at work just because you think the shoes are offensive? NO. You have done nothing wrong, don't sweat it too much.
Link Posted: 4/18/2005 1:32:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/18/2005 1:32:48 PM EDT by BIGDUKESIX]

Originally

Remember the part about anti-US. She has "proof" that US soldiers are committing war crimes in Iraq. I told she should go lay down in fron t of an Israeli bulldozer if she feels so strongly about it. That bought two whole weeks of none-of-her!!!!

These type of people are the the lowest form of
life there is. They should be rounded up and fixed so they can not reproduce
Link Posted: 4/18/2005 1:37:39 PM EDT
I love my job. Every now and then, the Executive assisstant calls me and says, you got more bullets delivered, wanna come pick them up?

I got some auto parts the other day, and was asked? More bullets?

I love this place.

TXL
Link Posted: 4/18/2005 1:39:42 PM EDT
Tag.
Link Posted: 4/18/2005 1:44:42 PM EDT

She's a mid-thirties divorcee


Nuff said!

Typical. When will these self righteous bastards ( and bitches...got to cover all the bases ) realize that the only reason that they are guaranteed the right to have, and share, usually loudly , their opinions is because other people have secured that right for them by force of arms.

2nd Amendment: the means of ensuring all the others.
Link Posted: 4/18/2005 1:50:40 PM EDT
XD
Sorry you have to work with a POS like that. Maybe you should bring in a magazine of big fat women. Take it to the meeting and make a comment to her that she will NEVER be the "after" picture as in before/after....She sounds as if she needs some serious therapy. Along with a bull dyke "companion to calm her down.
Link Posted: 4/18/2005 2:05:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/18/2005 2:06:34 PM EDT by migradog]
It sounds like she has made a hostile workplace for you. I would file an EEO immediately and document this incidents she has been involved in. Don't forget the people in the meeting room.
We have to bring the power back to our side. Don't forget to leave copies of Field & Stream around your work area. When she complains, make sure to note it and let HR knows how her constant barrage of complaints is adding to your stress as well as making your work environment hostile.
Link Posted: 4/18/2005 2:09:32 PM EDT
Of course you can listen to her bs with a great big smile on your face. When she asks why are you smiling say something like It's nice to know that all the U.S. service people that have died did not do so in vain. Her mouth is proof in the validity of our constitution.
Link Posted: 4/18/2005 2:15:49 PM EDT
Sign her up for internet porn delivery to her work email account and then complain about her pornography.
Link Posted: 4/18/2005 2:39:46 PM EDT
I work in IT security and frequently get tasked to investigations for HR, Corporate Security, etc. I think you took a good approach to dealing with this lady by biting your tongue. HR or corporate security won't care about your looking at "Gun Related" stuff on the internet as long as it doesn't interfere with its Internet "Fair Use" policy. You are correct in your association between fishing, gun hobbies, etc. Screwing off is Screwing off.

Bite your tongue with wackos like that and disassociate yourself with anything that isn't the facts. Don't reference her personality, marital status, general wacko-libral crap. It automatically makes you wrong..instead of her.

Anyway...I feel for you man. Best thing you can do is pretend you are married to her and ignore her when she starts bitching. That's what I do!
Link Posted: 4/18/2005 2:53:16 PM EDT
Tagged for the update - She doesn't have case, in the end, she'll probably either be terminated or invited to seek employment elsewhere. Good Luck!
Link Posted: 4/18/2005 3:13:23 PM EDT
I think you need a local ARFCOMMER stud (JAFO, Bigscrun, 1GR or 2WP) to come to your rescue. Being the superstarstuds they are, they can make her happy in the evenings....



then make her fall in love..........




then dump her like a load of rocks.........




making her fall deep into depression..........




and perhaps she will just wither away..............



BTW, I had to go to Craigslist and get a photo of who I am picturing, so the ARFCOMMERS will know what they are getting into........

Is this hagzilla???


Link Posted: 4/18/2005 3:19:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/18/2005 3:19:41 PM EDT by M4arc]
Get her home address then head to 7-11 and buy every smut magazine they have in stock and sign her up for subscriptions to every single one of them. Just don't forget to check the "Bill me" box before you mail them off

ETA: Do the same with all the gun magazines too!
Link Posted: 4/18/2005 3:26:37 PM EDT
And don't forget to have the magazines sent to her at work.

DaddyDett
Link Posted: 4/18/2005 3:36:52 PM EDT
Yup, We had a guy at work like that. What a POS, that always thought he was better than everyone else. I was happy as hell when the boss, fired him for f'in up on a job site.
Link Posted: 4/18/2005 4:01:37 PM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 4/18/2005 4:04:40 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/18/2005 4:44:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By XD_Fan:
Remember the part about anti-US. She has "proof" that US soldiers are committing war crimes in Iraq. I told she should go lay down in fron t of an Israeli bulldozer if she feels so strongly about it. That bought two whole weeks of none-of-her!!!!




At first I merely wanted to meet her, now, I really want to meet her.
Link Posted: 4/18/2005 4:51:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Phil_A_Steen:
Sign her up for internet porn delivery to her work email account and then complain about her pornography.



WHen I was in the Army there was a bull dyke female captain that used to run around and shit on every enlisted person around. One of my buddies signed her up for a bunch of lesbo porn to the office.

Pretty damn funny.
Link Posted: 4/18/2005 5:00:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Matt45:


At first I merely wanted to meat her, now, I really want to meat her.



Link Posted: 4/18/2005 6:29:16 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/18/2005 6:33:31 PM EDT
tag for later
Link Posted: 4/18/2005 6:34:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DpC:
I can't stand people like that.
Counter with slander and harrassment.



+1
Link Posted: 4/18/2005 8:42:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 1GUNRUNNER:
Been a long meeting with legal...



no kidding. I want to know how this is turning out.
Link Posted: 4/18/2005 9:01:29 PM EDT
Damn.is he still in there???

Link Posted: 4/18/2005 9:04:43 PM EDT
I say fuckem, if they wanna sue let them. Get some ACLU asshole to countersue
Link Posted: 4/18/2005 9:12:10 PM EDT
Tag for the rest of the story.
Link Posted: 4/18/2005 9:12:58 PM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 4/18/2005 11:35:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/18/2005 11:35:34 PM EDT by R-32]
Well it is 00:34 and there has been no further posts...


I guess she killed him..

Link Posted: 4/19/2005 12:03:40 AM EDT

Originally Posted By R-32:
Well it is 00:34 and there has been no further posts...


I guess she killed him..




Or legal clamped his keyboard......
Link Posted: 4/19/2005 12:33:39 AM EDT
taggity tag tag
Link Posted: 4/19/2005 1:30:53 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Matt45:

Originally Posted By R-32:
Well it is 00:34 and there has been no further posts...


I guess she killed him..




Or legal clamped his keyboard......




My story is better!...
Link Posted: 4/19/2005 1:43:16 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Phil_A_Steen:
Sign her up for internet porn delivery to her work email account and then complain about her pornography.


Dude, you are evil. LOL.
Link Posted: 4/19/2005 1:49:39 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/19/2005 2:27:25 AM EDT
Hagzilla tag.
Link Posted: 4/19/2005 2:55:21 AM EDT
Tag...because it has my interest. A rare thing for me...ADD ADHD and all that...
Link Posted: 4/19/2005 6:30:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/19/2005 6:35:19 AM EDT by XD_Fan]
Well, that was fun. Sorry for the delay in updating but it was a very long and tense afternoon.

I had to go over and talk to legal about "The Incident" as the lawyer called it. My boss and our HR nazi went with me. We get over there and are directed to a conference room containing, HR VP, Chief Legal Eagle, my VP, another lawyer and a video camera. Pointed at the witness chair. Seemed pretty well orchestrated to intimidate. My boss immediately called bullshit on the camera. (I also made a comment that maybe I should call my lawyer) After a couple of heated minutes Chief Legal Eagle got up and jerked the power cord on the whole deal. End of discussion. Temperature dropped about 50 degrees in the room. Lawyer starts in about how this is an investigation of The Incident of 4/18/05 and slides this paper over and asks me to sign it. Looked like the fucking miranda act!! I refused which didn't go over well with the lawyer. Chief LE said get on with it and, "quit fucking around." The lawyer (female in a pin striped pantsuit) yammer around abit about why we were there (duh!) and what the possible outcomes could be. The "you could be fired" comment pretty well safety wired me in the pissed off mode. So she starts in with the question, "How many guns do you own?" At which point all hell broke loose. My boss actually said WTF kinda question is that? HR babe and her boss are going on about how you can't ask that, can we even legally ask that, etc..

That went on for several minutes. When things calmed down she went right back to asking more of pretty much the same which gotta her a couple of none of your business answers. I also asked her if she was even going to ask about my side of the issue. She said no and that it was all here waving some papers around. HR babe looks at her boss and said, "If you let this go any further I will quit and help XD_Fan sue the shit out of this company." So the HR VP, her, my boss, and the lawyer go outside leaving Chief LE and me sitting there. While they were outside he and I talked. He asked me what had happened before the meeting, during and after. We had a little chat about guns, why the catalog was there in the first place and he seemed real interested in the timing of things. During our chat every one else came back in, lawyer being extremely pissed off looking, and sat down. She tried to interrupt the last part a couple of times but subsided when her boss told her, "would you shut up and let him finish."

So I did. Lawyer said she had a few more questions at which point Chief LE said no you don't. He got up, motioning for the HR VP to follow, walked around the table, patted me on the shoulder (WTF? Kiss of death?) and they left the room. Things got kinda nasty between HR babe and the lawyer after the lawyer made the comment that if she had her way we'd all be fired. I started playing solitaire on my palm pilot to distract myself when my boss joined into that argument. After an HOUR of us sitting there Chief LE comes in alone. Tells his lawyer to get out, don't leave, I want to talk to you before you go home, and I mean don't leave with out me talking to you. After she left he tells my boss and HR babe they can leave it they want to he just has a couple of things to say to me. They stayed of course. Chief tells me his sorry for his lawyers behaviour and that he's going to "correct" it. (I'd love to have been a fly on the wall for that one!!!) Explains that hagzilla made some pretty damning statements about me and the other manager in addition to the harassment complaint. Then he asked me if I'd be willing to apologize to hagzilla and promise to remove all firearm related items out of my cubicle. I told him I thought that was a bunch of shit but if that was the best way to resolve I'd probably be willing to comply. Kinda sorta maybe. He actually laughed and said that's a definite maybe then.

So we all went home. I got home about 7. My wife said Chief wanted me to call him at 8. I called and he told me all was taken care of. End resolution is as follows. I and the other manager are not being punished, no entry in our personnel record, and the complaint is being dismissed without merit. hagzilla was to formally apologize (publicly) to me, the other manager, and the rest of the people in the group, failing to do so will result in termination. She is going to have to attend anger management classes and gets a written warning. Plus after the apology ceremony today she leaves for a two week suspension without pay!!! She's also being told that she has to make nice (or else) to everyone from now one. Her continued employemnt will be subject to review in 45 days. He said she would have been fired if the HR VP wasn't such a chickenshit. But he also thinks she doesn't have the character to actually jump through all the hoops and make the changes she'll have to make to stay on. He predicted she won't be able to make the apology without loosing it. We'll see at nine.

He also went on to say that one of the big factors was the fact that I have such a low profile politically at work. Guess they talked to just about everyone I work with. Apparently they all said really nice things about me. He also commended me on my professional conduct thoughout. He said he really made up his mind on everything when I so calmly told his lawyer that how many guns I owned was none of her business. He said I was the ONLY person who didn't say anything bad about anyone else. He said everyone else was busy circling the wagons and covering their ass while I sat and played solitaire. Guess the fact I was calm enough to twiddle my thumbs while the idiots danced really impressed him. He also told me he ripped his lawyer a new asshole for her "misconduct" and that she would also be around to apologize also. Albeit, in a much less public way. Seems she's a bit too militant for his tastes. Said something about her next review not being so good!


I haven't seen hagzilla car yet and she's usually here by now. Guess she got a real grilling too. I do feel kinda bad for her but I also recognize that she has brought most of her woes down on herself with her fucked attitude.

Well, that's it for now.
Link Posted: 4/19/2005 6:48:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/19/2005 6:49:28 AM EDT by 1GUNRUNNER]
Link Posted: 4/19/2005 6:54:37 AM EDT
Hot Damm! Way to use the system for the good guys for once



Link Posted: 4/19/2005 7:10:07 AM EDT



Great update. Glad it turned out well

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