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Posted: 11/26/2013 11:53:30 AM EST
I'm looking for a place to buy ar15 parts to include a lower. Googling only produced a source for polymer lowers. Believe it or not I'm actually semi mentally competent so I don't need a polymer lower.

Thanks in advance!
Link Posted: 11/26/2013 12:09:53 PM EST
I bought two Grizzly/LAR receivers from Get Some Guns in Murray for $80 each, last fall right before Sandy Hook.
Link Posted: 11/26/2013 5:28:03 PM EST
Are you a Utah resident?
Link Posted: 11/26/2013 7:36:11 PM EST
I picked up an aeroprecision lower from LANworld in Draper a few weeks ago, $75, not sure if price has changed since then though.
Link Posted: 11/28/2013 9:07:03 AM EST
Bean Firearms for a billet.
Link Posted: 11/29/2013 12:37:24 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TheTacticalCoyote:
Are you a Utah resident?
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No and it bit me right in my butthole. I tried to buy a complete lower but I was unaware that even though it has the buttstock already on it the law treats it like a pistol,

Anyways thanks for the info guys.
Link Posted: 12/3/2013 5:48:14 AM EST
a completely stripped lower would need an FFL transfer as well if your not a Utah reisdent
Link Posted: 12/3/2013 6:11:43 PM EST
Link Posted: 12/4/2013 12:59:42 PM EST
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Originally Posted By medicmandan:


Can't buy it at all in the state of Utah if you're not a Utah resident.
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Originally Posted By jimmyUT:
a completely stripped lower would need an FFL transfer as well if your not a Utah reisdent


Can't buy it at all in the state of Utah if you're not a Utah resident.



He could buy it from a Utah dealer, but he would need to have them ship and transfer it to a FFL in his state.
Link Posted: 12/4/2013 1:12:04 PM EST
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Originally Posted By jimmyUT:



He could buy it from a Utah dealer, but he would need to have them ship and transfer it to a FFL in his state.
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Originally Posted By medicmandan:
Originally Posted By jimmyUT:
a completely stripped lower would need an FFL transfer as well if your not a Utah reisdent


Can't buy it at all in the state of Utah if you're not a Utah resident.



He could buy it from a Utah dealer, but he would need to have them ship and transfer it to a FFL in his state.

By the time you pay the fees, it's hardly worth it. Just buy a lower from an AZ dealer.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 8:53:44 PM EST
[Last Edit: 12/13/2013 9:02:52 PM EST by William_lxix]
Where are you guys getting your answers?

I believe the correct answer is YES, if its a RIFLE/Long Arm or SHOTGUN. Depending on the FFL holder.

NO, if its a pistol as it HAS to go through an FFL holder in YOUR home State (of Residence).



References: From the ATF Federal Firearms Licensee Quick Reference and Best Practices Guide ( http://www.atf.gov/files/publications/download/p/atf-p-5300-15.pdf ), page 6:

"Permitted Sales to Non-Residents of Your State

You may sell a firearm to a person who does not reside in your State by shipping the firearm to a licensed dealer in the buyer’s State of residence and having the buyer take possession of the firearm from that licensee. The licensed dealer in the buyer’s State of residence is responsible for the Form 4473 and NICS background check. Your A&D records should reflect the transfer to the out-of-State FFL and not to the end purchaser.

You may make an over-the-counter sale of a rifle or shotgun to a non-resident if the transaction complies with all the laws of your State and the laws of the buyer’s State.

We recommend that you refer to the most recent edition of ATF’s State Laws and Published Ordinances–Firearms ( Utah: http://www.atf.gov/files/publications/download/p/atf-p-5300-5-31st-editiion/States/atf-p-5300-5-utah-2010.pdf ) , prior to consummating an over-the-counter sale of a rifle or shotgun to an out-of-State resident."
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Purchasing a Gun in Utah http://publicsafety.utah.gov/bci/FirearmLaws.html#Purchasing

It is unlawful for a gun dealer to sell or transfer any firearm until an instant criminal history background check is conducted and approved by BCI.

A valid Utah concealed firearm permit may be used to waive the BCI background check and the corresponding fees. However, the dealer is still required to call BCI to confirm the validity of the concealed firearm permit.

A person who wishes to purchase a handgun must show proof of Utah residency.

A person who wishes to purchase a rifle or shotgun is not required to show Utah residency; however, the purchaser will be required to comply with the laws of the state in which he/she resides.

Laws governing the use of concealed firearms differ from state to state. It is important to understand the laws to ensure that your actions are in compliance with Utah law.

Sources: 53-5-704 Division duties - Utah Code §§ 23-20-11 et seq., 24-2-17, 76-10-301, 76-10-501 et seq.
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I am a resident of Utah though - so unassembled lowers may be different... I couldn't locate a SPECIFIC reference though.

GET SOME just ended their $75 LAR GRIZZLY stripped lower sale today (just in time for the Hysteria to begin again this year...)

I got all of mine in time & on SALE!!


~Will
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 5:24:44 AM EST
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I thought because a stripped lower can be turned into a pistol its treated like a handgun, but I could be mistaken.
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 6:06:39 AM EST
AR receivers are treated differently than a completed rifle. Receivers, whether they are assembled with a butt stock or not, are treated like pistols. That means, can't sell to someone under 21 or sell to out of state residents.
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 11:06:56 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/16/2013 8:20:49 AM EST by William_lxix]
Is there a reference for this above info?

I did find this rule clarification from the ATF: http://www.atf.gov/files/regulations-rulings/rulings/atf-rulings/atf-ruling-2011-4.pdf

It basically states, that receivers can be 'assembled' as a pistol, and to a 'rifle' and back to a pistol again as long as the laws are followed about 922(r) compliance and NFA laws.

I still have not seen a ruling or holding that JUST BECAUSE a weapon receiver (the serial numbered "WEAPON" part that is the WEAPON, & not just parts) CAN be made into a pistol, it HAS to be transferred as a PISTOL.

If someone knows WHERE this is, please reference it.


Another belief: A firearm that has started life as a rifle, CAN NOT be made into a pistol, due to the wording in the law. You can go from pistol to rifle, and now back to pistol, but you CAN NOT go from rifle to pistol. ?


Confusing as hell !


EDITED TO ADD: Thanks MedicMan & Tactical Coyote! I sincerely appreciate the references!



Link Posted: 12/14/2013 6:09:45 PM EST
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 6:23:07 PM EST
Thanks medicmandan, beat me to it.

Originally Posted By William_lxix:
Another belief: A firearm that has started life as a rifle, CAN NOT be made into a pistol, due to the wording in the law. You can go from pistol to rifle, and now back to pistol, but you CAN NOT go from rifle to pistol. ?
Confusing as hell !
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This is correct. You can buy a stripped lower, and make it into a rifle or pistol and be perfectly legal. But if that lower/rifle came from the factory with a stock on it, it cannot be made into a pistol.
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