Did not get too good of a look at what happened, I saw the two involved. Who had the loaded firearm?

Whoa.  That doesn't sound good...

I did not even see anything on the net about it yet. Was around 1-1:30 I beleive? I firgured all the anti's would be speading it around by now.

I heard it was a pepper spray device.

Dam loud pepper spray device. I don't know, could have been but I did not see people with tears in their eyes. Sounded like a gun discarge. Hoping someone could shed some light on this. I should have stayed to find out.

I was there shortly after it happened.  I talked to my buddies from NC that run the surplus booth.  They said a 9mm was discharged and went through a table into the floor.     Sounds like the fault of the vendor to me.

It looked to be a big guy, "vender" and a young man was looking at what I thought was a pistol from what I could see.

That sucks, but it's good nobody was hurt.    It's been a few years since I've heard of that happening there.

Damn, maybe it's a good thing I didn't get out there yesterday.



I would like to hear more details about what happened.

WTF is wrong with people

ETA:

I heard a vendors description of the event this morning so take it with a grain of salt.  Vendor said that the gun owner brought a loaded pistol to the show, the rent a cop at door opened the action and supposedly cleared and tied the action. Gun owner walked through show, did his normal thing and when done headed towards parking lot. Owner then removed tie from action and let action close and pulled trigger..bang... oops... sorry about the round in the parking lot. When I heard story I heard so much fail it wasn't even worth opening my mouth. The vendor was implying it was the rent a cops fault...I'm curious as to what really happened. Throw all the rent a cop shit out the window. If gun owner pulled trigger and it went bang there really isn't much to debate.

+1 How did a round get into the chamber of a gun at the show?

This shot or whatever it was was inside the show right down the isle that you see when you give the lady your ticket. No parking lot envolved. I had just got done doing a deal with Precision Engagement Firearms table in the back near the eating tables and started walking around and BANG! Almost everyone in the show stopped and frooze and turned toward the noise.

Thanks, I am not surprised that it went down as you described it just illustrates how people get shit twisted and turned around. Did you see the guy?

I saw a bigger guy, "vendor?" and a younger man at his table. Don't know who had what or did what but those were the two people that I saw involved.

I've never been one for strapping the trigger or action like they do at the Wilmington and Patriot shows because it makes it impossible to fully check out the firearm. But maybe it's for a good reason!

I am the big dude that was standing just to the left of the idiot that fired the weapon.  litterally within a foot of said idiot,   I was just over his left shoulder.
Said idiot was a short skinny gangsta.

Yes , I refer to him as an IDIOT. Because ..... When someone hands you a gun what is the first thing you do ?  You double check to see if weapon is loaded.  I must say the idiot FAILED in this dept. You also keep your booger hook off the bang switch unless your willing to destroy whatever is in front of the weapon. Also FAIL. So I will refer to him as an IDIOT from here on .

I do not know who the gun belonged to but I can tell you the vendor had it before it went bang and took it after the shot went off.
I saw the dealer hand the guy the gun second before the BANG.

The gun  jamed (FTE) and the dealer cleared it after the shot.  I can't be 100% 4 sure but it looked to be a small kel-tec either 380 or 9mm.  The dealer did not hand the gun back to said idiot.

Rent - a cop showed up.....nothing happened.

1- it was inside
2- the bullet went thru the table and hit the floor
3- good thing us law abiding citizens have to leave their loaded guns/ mags in the car.  If you get my point.
4- I am pretty pissed about the lack of action that was took. Dealer and idiot was still there an hour after..???? WTF


That's how it went down.

I'm glad your OK and all involved are very lucky someone wasn't injured or killed.

That sounds like what I saw, thanks for clearing it up for us. They seemed not to do anything after it happend. Well at least this is not all over the news and all the Bloomberg anti's arn't all over this. I was trying to be nice by saying "young man" instead of gangsta, idiot works good. What else would you expect at a Hara show. I am glad you were not hurt.

WTF?!  The last time I was there and that happened, they escorted the person out in matching bracelets.

Back in the early 2000s a guy came in with an old 12ga, was asked to open the chamber so they could tag it and BANG!  Dad and I were in the back corner where the reloading/knife guys usually were.

Here's Goodmans take on it from the OCC forum.

"Let me set the record straight...

We take safety at our shows very seriously here. As is our policy we ALWAYS boot the dealer in question. At the same moment this occurred we were also dealing with another situation in the building where a woman was going into labor, hence the somewhat slow response in removing the vendor from the building. The vendor was told to pack up immediately however he initially refused and falsely stated that the customer was the one who loaded the weapon and fired it into the table. (The Gun also never discharged into a can of Pepper Spray as some rumors have stated. The pepper spray incident was later when a customer brought it in after purchasing it at a flea market and was asking how to use it when she accidently fired a short spray into the air). The casing and 32 bullet was recovered intact as it went straight down thru the table and bounced back up and into a box. Thankfully nobody was injured.

In this situation, the dealer used his personal carry weapon in this case and handed it to the military customer. The vendor in question disobeyed our verbal statements which we make every morning and as well as the contract he signed with us on several occasions stating that he would never bring a loaded gun into the show. Loaded guns are NOT allowed at any of our shows with the exception of Law enforcement.

After refusing to leave unless we refunded his table money (which we refuse to do as he broke our safety contract) we posted our security guard and forced him to pack up his stuff and leave otherwise he would be arrested for trespassing. It took him a while to pack up but eventually he left after packing up all the stuff on his tables. He and his company are banned from all my shows for life.

From my understanding thru our investigation the vendor had a laser sight on his weapon (He sold Lasers) and handed it to the military customer who was then told to squeeze the trigger to see how the laser works. The military customer aimed the gun down (as he was taught to) and upon pulling the trigger the weapon discharged leaving the casing in the weapon. From our understanding the clip was not even in the gun which leads us to believe the vendor dropped the magazine but failed to properly clear the chamber. The vendor then tried to falsely accuse the military customer of loading the weapon but that would seem almost be impossible to load the weapon without a magazine and the vendor in question would surely need to notice someone loading a round into he gun.

The Military customer was debriefed on the situation and his story matched what others have told us so we didn't feel the need to give him the boot. He followed the poor instructions of the vendor who should have NEVER had a loaded weapon in the first place.

We always tell our vendors to clear the weapon before handing it to a customer and then to recheck it upon getting it back from the customer. We do NOT use spot-ties as we have tried it in the past and when we did we found a rash of vendors coming up to use informing us that they have found a customer with a loaded gun. Upon questioning the customers with he loaded gun we found in most situations the customers hated having a spot-tie on their guns and therefore refused to declare it upon entering. They also assumed that since they we not going to declare it they felt it wasn't necessary to unload it either. We would much rather have our customers declare their weapons for inspection that taking the risk of them sneaking by with a loaded weapon and later deciding they are "trained" enough to unload it in the show when they decide to take it out and accessorize it. BANG!

Furthermore, we get alot of people already coming into the show with spot-ties already on their guns. We have had several dozen over the last few decades come in and upon cutting all the spot ties off have found them to be LOADED. Some were spot-tied at home knowing that the show would spot-tie it and they did it to ensure "nobody at the gun check table would accidently scratch their weapon" while putting it on. Every time we find a loaded gun at the door the customer ALWAYS swears the gun wasn't loaded when they checked it. These are the same individuals who will end up spot-tying their supposedly unloaded gun. Many other promoters don't check guns that are already spot-tied and let them freely into the shows. Furthermore, the last few guns that have went off at Gun Shows were guns that we brought into the show and already spot-tied. Most recently at Indiana show and another involving a shotgun at a show in KY. In the particular incident at the show in KY a customer brought the shotgun in. Police at the front door missed the shell stuck in the chamber and spot-tied the weapon. A dealer bought it and set it on his table all weekend. Upon pack up Sunday evening the dealer cut the spot-tie, pulled the trigger and blew a hole in the ceiling. Bottom line here is that if you check a gun properly there isn't a need to spot-tie it. If you are sure you checked it then why the need to spot tie it? Furthermore, if it is spot-tied then customers always assume it is definitely unloaded. Tell that to our gun check guy who has cut several spot-ties off guns only to find that they are still loaded. Duhh.

I say just use the old tried a tested way of Gun Safety. Assume a Gun is ALWAYS LOADED.

We continue to strive to make our shows as safe as possible and we sincerely hope everyone will return.

Bill Goodman's Gun & Knife Shows
PO Box 5
Mt. Washington, KY 40047"

the so called idiot was a gangsta??? what was the name of his gang??? the USMC????
let me guess you saw someone that didn't look like you, didn't dress like you, and assumed he was a "GANGSTA"???
If you are a dealer, the responsibility of clearing the gun before handling to a customer and asking him to pull the trigger,
is yours! so the dealer is the "IDIOT"..... great job on the ban.....  

uh, were you there ? Did you see what I saw?  Did you get to see how the guy handled the weapon?

If he was "millitary" then I would have to see his creds to believe it. Do you know a "military" man that would pull the trigger on a weapon without first checking to see if it was loaded???? Well, Do Ya?
Funny thing you should be so quick to judge.  I was at the show with a few of my friends one of which is / was "millitary"  -USMC -he just finished and is thinking about going back.  Even he said nobody from the military would ever pull trigger without checking the weapon.

I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with someone on the interwebz.  You guys asked if anybody knew what happened.  I did know so I replied and this is how I'm treated.  

FYI . It's nice to see that the email Goodmans sent me is exactly word for word what is posted above.

OK I'll say it then; being military or law enforcement does not mean you can safely handle a weapon. We only hope it does.

Sounds like a three ring circus...



At least no one got hurt.





 

OMG, What a show. THANK GOD it was down in "GOD'S COUNRTY"

You put that many people in a room together you're going to find the crazy.

Yeah I guess so.  All that above and the publicity from the 4 arrests after felons purchased from private sellers.  





And I thought that I had a rough day at work on Saturday...





 

I have to agree. They are both at fault, you always clear a weapon before handing it to someone and you clear it when being handed to you. I'm not military and I know that.

Not just cycle the action, but LOOK.

I know in the KTec 380 that the ejection port is smaller than a live round so the round stays there unless you push it down/out the empty mag hole.

Can't just go thru the motions...

Sadly, yes. IWQ is my favorite drill, but I do see some pretty scary shit there.
What's that? NG and Reserves aren't as well-trained as RA? Sorry, but I've
been on active duty, and worked around RA soldiers quite a bit. The
competence level may generally be a bit higher, but there are still plenty of
individuals to be found.