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Posted: 10/27/2010 4:37:21 PM EDT
Sent out by Dave Arieno:
THIS is an AMGA member Alert! AS part of his proposal to fix the MOA’s financial issues, Mayor Sullivan Is proposing a $150 USER Fee to process “Federal Firearms Paperwork” I.E. , FFL applications, and other BATFE forms… ESPECIALLY the Form 4 “Cleo Signature”. We need to NIP this in the bud IMMEDIATELY! It’s enough that we have to pay a $200 transfer tax fee for most NFA items. Member, and Anchorage Assembly Chair, Dick Traini gave me the heads up this morning. He’s not pleased, (to say the least). If you own an airplane and you live in MOA, they want to double the registration fee as well! (grrrrrr) Dick will be at out Meeting in Anchorage tonight to discuss! David A. Arieno President, Alaska Machine Gun Association Patron Life Member,NRA www.amga.net |
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I have my differences with Dick Traini (like his support for Lisa M and the love of tobacco taxes) but its nice to have him in the firearms corner. Just another reason to go corp or trust. Gotta nail Sullivan to the wall on this... |
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any "easier" solutions to fix the hole Begich dug for Anchorage?
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Are you sure this will stand up in federal court? I believe that this would be ruled against by the supreme court.
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Come on you guys, we're undertaxed as it is. Those union salaries and pensions won't pay for themselves.
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Great, more proposed taxes.
As if it wasn't enough of a pain to get class three in anchorage. Why should firearm enthusiasts have to pay more in taxes then the next guy? |
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Why should firearm enthusiasts have to pay more in taxes then the next guy? And drinkers and smokers and and and and and.....ya see where this is going!?!?! |
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the troopers process NICS checks right?
you guys are throwing around the "tax" word remember guys its a "user fee" there is a difference I'll be damned if I know what the difference is but I am pretty sure that it is more than just spelling. I am with you guys and I was going to write the mayor a letter but really aside from saying I will never move there there really isn't anything else I could say. Since there isn't a sales tax threatening to not shop there really doesn't carry much weight. |
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Im glad i don't live in the borough. Id be pissed if i did. Im a little pissed anyway.
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Im glad i don't live in the borough. Id be pissed if i did. Im a little pissed anyway. same here. The Chief of the Soldotna PD is really really cool about this stuff. |
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Another reason why I moved to the valley. Los Anchorage and it's mayors are out of control. I had to leave when excess Baggage got into office. But the Mat-Su borough isn't perfect either....
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Another reason why I moved to the valley. Los Anchorage and it's mayors are out of control. I had to leave when excess Baggage got into office. But the Mat-Su borough isn't perfect either.... Granted, I am outside of Anchorage, and can only look into the bubble, BUT Is there a fix? Is it reasonable to tell people who agreed to a contract that you are no longer going to honor a contract? What has to change? Are there social programs that Anchorage WILL live without? Anchorage is a fairly social left leaning city I believe. Its either cut cost or raise fees/taxes. Is there the political will in the community to do with less? |
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Is there the political will in the community to do with less? |
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Is there the political will in the community to do with less? This is the question the whole country needs to ask ,and Nic nailed it with the answer |
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Is there the political will in the community to do with less? So you are saying there is a chance |
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Thanks for keeping us posted.
let us know if there is an assembly meeting we can attend to protest this. I can understand a standard Background check fee (It's $20 up here) but thats' about it. Danomite! |
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Are you mother fucking kidding me?
Fuck it... bring it... 3% sales tax on all non-necessities. Everyone throws around the words "fair share"... Well let's fucking do this! |
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Are you mother fucking kidding me? Fuck it... bring it... 3% sales tax on all non-necessities. Everyone throws around the words "fair share"... Well let's fucking do this! This actually sounds reasonable. I grew up in Kodiak, 3% is nothing and would bring a huge amount of money to ANC. Sullivan and Begich both lack the spine for anything, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Sullivan flee to the lower 48 when his term is up. |
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Quoted: I have my differences with Dick Traini (like his support for Lisa M and the love of tobacco taxes) but its nice to have him in the firearms corner. Just another reason to go corp or trust. Gotta nail Sullivan to the wall on this... |
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We're up to almost a 10% sales tax down here. Why not just cut the entitlements?
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Quoted: Quoted: Are you mother fucking kidding me? Fuck it... bring it... 3% sales tax on all non-necessities. Everyone throws around the words "fair share"... Well let's fucking do this! This actually sounds reasonable. I grew up in Kodiak, 3% is nothing and would bring a huge amount of money to ANC. Are you kidding? Starve the beast. Or use the sales tax revenue to reduce the property tax. The last thing you want to do is give the politicans more money. It'll all go to the unions one way or the other. |
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Do not give into the darkside! They already take to much of my money and give it away to my second and third famlies.
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The problem wouldn't so much be the "reasonable" 3%, but once they have the source of revenue available to them there's nothing stopping it from going to 10%.
I agree, starve the beast. |
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That's just fucking it... nobodies "starving the beast." They just keep fucking raising property tax.
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That's just fucking it... nobodies "starving the beast." They just keep fucking raising property tax. Again I have to agree. The average property tax in ANC is what, $3600 a year? That's fucking ridiculous. Its just like cutting the I/M program, they're still going to get that money from you, the difference is is that there will be alot of people out of work after it. |
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That's just fucking it... nobodies "starving the beast." They just keep fucking raising property tax. Again I have to agree. The average property tax in ANC is what, $3600 a year? That's fucking ridiculous. Its just like cutting the I/M program, they're still going to get that money from you, the difference is is that there will be alot of people out of work after it. I don't know about ANC, but Fairbanks jobs arent lost When our IM program went away the borough created a PM 2.5 monitoring program and actually created more jobs |
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Too lazy to google it. Anyone want to fill me in on what the I/M program is?
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Too lazy to google it. Anyone want to fill me in on what the I/M program is? it is the emissions testing that cars older than 4 years have to get every couple years it costs over $100 to have done and doesn't have any real results. so how would jobs be lost exactly if it went away? everywhere I have been the guy doing the test is a mechanic or auto shop worker that on top of his normal work was trained to do IM testing. |
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really simple to do, it used the OBDII computer in your car to check the status of your emissions system, then if your check engine light is off(95% of time if light is on and solid it means somthign with emissions is wrong NOT engine damage, if flashing THEN panic). then they do a look at your engine and make sure you havent bypassed the systems with a couple pieces of wire(for better power or larger engine not usually in that size car). then check it off. think it costs 65 bucks if your car passes, if it fails it is free(which I like) . it expires every 2 years like your registration so the total bill , registration and IM adds up to about 108 (or somthing like that). now fixing the IM system is the bad thing. catalyic converter 1000, fuel evap canaister 300, ect ect and since new cars are exempt from it basicaly a tax on older cars.
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Too lazy to google it. Anyone want to fill me in on what the I/M program is? it is the emissions testing that cars older than 4 years have to get every couple years it costs over $100 to have done and doesn't have any real results. so how would jobs be lost exactly if it went away? everywhere I have been the guy doing the test is a mechanic or auto shop worker that on top of his normal work was trained to do IM testing. The certification is $18.00 and shops that do the test can charge no more than $40 for the actual test, so if you got charged over $100 for just a test, then you should be looking into getting your money back. Now, registration fees are different, since they're regulated by the DMV and generally start at $118.00, but I've seen them run as high as $1,105 on commercial vehicles (which is utter bullshit, it was just an F350.) and there's also a processing fee of $10-$20 depending on where you go. The shop doesn't profit from the registration fee you pay to the state, but rather the I/M test and processing fee for registering your vehicle there. Some people don't want to pay the fee, and if they have their I/M done before the 5th of the month that their tags expire on, they have the option of mailing their registration in with a check for the amount, or they can do it themselves online and avoid the fee. Lot of people don't know that. I worked at Jiffy Lube for 6 years and I'd say about half our business was I/M testing and DMV processing. With the cost of oil being so high nowadays, people usually would do it themselves or go somewhere cheaper for an oil change, but alot of the time they got it done when they had an I/M test done. If you take away the I/M test, obviously there won't be as many cars coming through, and consequently, people will get laid off/let go. As far as I know, Anchorage and Fairbanks are the only two places in AK that require it. Either way, its bullshit that taxing firearms enthusiasts first seems to be the way to go in the U.S. |
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Back to the issue at hand... $150 for the Chief's autograph.
I'd like to see the no shit breakdown on how much time they actually spend getting Chief Mew's Herby Handcock. Even if we were paying the man hours it takes for them to process their paperwork there's no way it adds up to $150. What a fucking scam on an already unnecessary process. Run my name to see if I have a warrant and put my Form 4 in Mew's inbox. |
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Considering APD makes the choice to process forms the way they do, instead of someone just saying "here chief sign this", APD can eat the cost. The law doesn't require them to do a background check on someone, that's done by the feds when you send in the paperwork. |
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Considering APD makes the choice to process forms the way they do, instead of someone just saying "here chief sign this", APD can eat the cost. The law doesn't require them to do a background check on someone, that's done by the feds when you send in the paperwork. I get why they'd at least call you in... I mean, basically what the Chief is doing is vouching for you. I'd at least want to know the guy is clean before I slap my signature on his Form 4. However, if they're taking more time than say, Alaska Tactical takes to call in when I buy a new gun, they're fucking doing it wrong. |
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Fark that, I'm too literal with the directions "Hey Chief, this form asks if you know any reason this dude can't own this thing"? "Yo sarge, I've never seen the guy before, so nope I don't know any reason he can't own it" If they want the Chief to run a background then they need to specify it's a requirement But alas, I say fuck the Chief; just send in your articles of incorp and call it good. |
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I looked into Corp... there's a fee of a few hundred bones every two years or so... If it was a one time deal I'd be all over it.
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The massive advantage is that ANY of your "corp officers" can be in possession of the items. If you just want a 1 time thing (via Legal Zoom) then you can always go Trust and have the same result (but limited people in possession). I love corp because I have officers in other states, so we can move items between states...plus I'm happy to pay a couple hundred bucks every couple years to completely shut APD out of the mix
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If your into high dollar machine guns and suppressors with a bunch of people who want to get in on a corp it's nice i guess. For the guy who wants to put a $200 can on his P22 or make an SBR, a trust is the way to go.
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Too lazy to google it. Anyone want to fill me in on what the I/M program is? it is the emissions testing that cars older than 4 years have to get every couple years it costs over $100 to have done and doesn't have any real results. so how would jobs be lost exactly if it went away? everywhere I have been the guy doing the test is a mechanic or auto shop worker that on top of his normal work was trained to do IM testing. The certification is $18.00 and shops that do the test can charge no more than $40 for the actual test, so if you got charged over $100 for just a test, then you should be looking into getting your money back. Now, registration fees are different, since they're regulated by the DMV and generally start at $118.00, but I've seen them run as high as $1,105 on commercial vehicles (which is utter bullshit, it was just an F350.) and there's also a processing fee of $10-$20 depending on where you go. The shop doesn't profit from the registration fee you pay to the state, but rather the I/M test and processing fee for registering your vehicle there. Some people don't want to pay the fee, and if they have their I/M done before the 5th of the month that their tags expire on, they have the option of mailing their registration in with a check for the amount, or they can do it themselves online and avoid the fee. Lot of people don't know that. I worked at Jiffy Lube for 6 years and I'd say about half our business was I/M testing and DMV processing. With the cost of oil being so high nowadays, people usually would do it themselves or go somewhere cheaper for an oil change, but alot of the time they got it done when they had an I/M test done. If you take away the I/M test, obviously there won't be as many cars coming through, and consequently, people will get laid off/let go. As far as I know, Anchorage and Fairbanks are the only two places in AK that require it. Either way, its bullshit that taxing firearms enthusiasts first seems to be the way to go in the U.S. Fairbanks hasnt required it since 01/01/10 |
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