has anyone tried? to get a sign off?

It is my understanding from one of my customers (who happens to work for MPD) that the MPD Chief will not sign.

You may find better luck with Jack Parker but he has a lengthy application process.

I heard if you were going the sign off route to see Steve at Gunsite on Merritt Island. I think he knows who will do sign offs in Brevard. I would just go with a trust personally.

The NFA collectors in this area have friends in high places - just not at police departments.

I don't know if I would be publishing a list if I owned a business like Steve does but that is his prerogative.

I've just heard over the years that if you are going the sign off route that Steve is the guy to see. There are a number of diff officials that can sign off on NFA. Personally I would just start a trust. I don't think Steve is publishing a list or anything, not sure what you are referring to. I haven't spoken to Steve about it, I do know he has a couple MG's you can rent and shoot at the indoor range, and over the years on here this question comes up and people have said to see Steve, that he knows what officials in the area that are able to sign off on NFA's do. Not really a big deal. Again I'd just go with a trust for a number of reasons.

There are NFA collectors, and these people usually have $$$$ and thus those high placed friends. Other NFA things for shooters, not collectors are much more affordable and these people don't have the friends in high places. From what I heard who ever Steve knows is very pro-gun and supports the 2nd amendment, thats all, no big deal.

A RUMOR I've heard, so take it as that is that the Sheriff will sign off on SBR's and maybe short barrel shotguns as long as he can inspect your place to make sure you have a gun safe to store it in and he will sign off, but will not sign off on cans. I have no idea how true that is. I heard this from a guy in a shop who tried (supposedly) to get a can and couldn't get a sign off. Again, I have no idea how true it is, but what I heard. If it were me I'd just get a trust setup.

I know you already said it, but all this stuff just reinforces the point: make a trust.  My suppressor Form 4 came back a couple of weeks ago, and my SBR Form 1 came back Friday.  No local LE had a thing to do with it.  Trusts are amazingly simple to make.

As my original post indicated - Jack Parker has a lengthy application process, I don't know if he will/will not sign based on items.

Only a few of my customers have gone through the application, it is pretty long. Also - when I went to get a signature for a purchase before I became an FFL here was the conversation.

"Where will you be keeping the machinegun?"
"At my house - or the bank"
"......the bank?"
"I have a deposit box in the bank vault."
"Thats illegal."
"Excuse me?"
"It is illegal to bring any kind of gun inside a bank. ESPECIALLY SOMETHING THAT IS CLASS 3"
"Oh really?"
"Yes! You need to read up on the laws!"

Thats when I hung up since everything that she said was wrong and grinding my gears. It's not illegal to bring a gun into a bank. There's no law against bringing an NFA item into a bank. Theres no such thing as a class 3 item and I had hit my tolerance for stupidity that day in a hurry.

That doesn't surprise me. From my experience the people who SHOULD know the laws often don't.

I'd go the trust route simply because I see no reason to beg and ask some official to sign off on something that is my right to exercise. It's bad enough to have to go through the ATF. Let alone debase your self begging the local sheriff or other official. I'd rather pay for a trust to be setup. There are other advantages as well with a trust, so to me it is a no-brainer.

Oh, I'm not arguing with you - however many of my customers are split.

I have customers who adamantly refuses to do anything but a trust and I have others that will only go with a signature.

I understand about trusts, but what is the rational for those who only go with a sig? I'm curious.

Judge Holcomb has signed them in the past. Try making an appointment with his court secretary.

Judge Greasebomb (spelling?) is another one that will sign.

"I don't want to bother with any legal mumbo jumbo in a trust" is what I hear pretty often.

Also what I hear pretty often:

"$600? For a bunch of paper? Thats more than the can and the tax!".



Judge Holcomb retired several years ago. Due to the mortgage/foreclosure crisis, retired judges are being brought in as senior judges to run foreclosure hearings. I'm not certain if they still retain authority to sign Form 4's as a result.

From what I've seen (in Orange Park), people who don't go with a trust go with a signature because of the cost of a trust.  And they are worried about doing a trust wrong––there is an attorney in our area (who oddly enough does NFA trusts) who has been going around spouting all sorts of BS about faulty NFA trusts.  The man is a tool.  I made my own trust, and I have never seen a bad form-filler trust (from whatever the major brand is).  Making a trust is beyond simple, but the lawyer I'm referring to likes to tell people only a lawyer can write a trust.

103 and pirate, ive pm'ed you thanks for the info!

Would that attorney be David Goldman out of the Apple Law Firm in Jacksonville?

I've spoken with other attorneys - Goldman's legal language is sound but the one glaring thing that makes his trusts stand out more than any other lawyer is that all his trusts have provisions for "class 3 items" - there's no such thing as a class 3 item. So his trust is faulty in terminology but solid everywhere else. I don't understand how he can claim to be an expert and simply ignore the fact that EVERY PAGE of his trusts has such incorrect terminology.