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9/22/2017 12:11:25 AM
Posted: 3/30/2006 2:17:28 AM EDT
For those California people looking for new and better way to pin your AR mag check this thread out at Calguns.

www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=31090
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 10:23:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/30/2006 10:25:32 AM EDT by wyv3rn]
Looks like a good way to damage your lower just because some are too concerned about looks and what everyone else thinks of them.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 10:34:24 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 11:50:22 AM EDT

Originally Posted By wyv3rn:
Looks like a good way to damage your lower just because some are too concerned about looks and what everyone else thinks of them.



How does that damage the lower?
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 1:02:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By operatorerror:

Originally Posted By wyv3rn:
Looks like a good way to damage your lower just because some are too concerned about looks and what everyone else thinks of them.



How does that damage the lower?



Shhhhh.. He's happy being whiney.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 3:30:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By leelaw:

Originally Posted By operatorerror:

Originally Posted By wyv3rn:
Looks like a good way to damage your lower just because some are too concerned about looks and what everyone else thinks of them.



How does that damage the lower?



Shhhhh.. He's happy being whiney.



good one leelaw. Nah, it's actually a very thoughtful idea, but I've seen what setscrews do when they bite into a steel barrel, I'd hate to see what it does to an aluminum lower. These aren't exactly the cheapest, easiest to replace items in this state either. I'd rather have a fugly nut in place of the mag releas than risk damage to the lower.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 3:36:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By wyv3rn:
good one leelaw. Nah, it's actually a very thoughtful idea, but I've seen what setscrews do when they bite into a steel barrel, I'd hate to see what it does to an aluminum lower. These aren't exactly the cheapest, easiest to replace items in this state either. I'd rather have a fugly nut in place of the mag releas than risk damage to the lower.



Well, couldn't you just attach something to the end of the set screw? Or put something in there to pad your precious? Or round the tip? There's got to be a million ways to prevent damage.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 4:09:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By operatorerror:

Originally Posted By wyv3rn:
good one leelaw. Nah, it's actually a very thoughtful idea, but I've seen what setscrews do when they bite into a steel barrel, I'd hate to see what it does to an aluminum lower. These aren't exactly the cheapest, easiest to replace items in this state either. I'd rather have a fugly nut in place of the mag releas than risk damage to the lower.



Well, couldn't you just attach something to the end of the set screw? Or put something in there to pad your precious? Or round the tip? There's got to be a million ways to prevent damage.



It could be possible, I'm not sure and haven't really looked into it. You must be careful that it isn't something that could fall off or if you pressed the release very hard it could punch through it and drop the mag anyway (like a rubber tip cover that is too thick, etc.)
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 4:37:26 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 6:45:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Paul:
When the assualt weapons laws here get thrown out as un-Constitutional just remove the button and replace it wtih another.



Link Posted: 3/30/2006 8:28:37 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 5:17:24 PM EDT
This set up is pretty neat. I have considered about this way before. But I have some questions.

1) The set screw in the picture looks very tiny. What is the size? What is the size of Allen wrench? What is the tap size?
2) Is there any harder spacer under the mag release button to prevent the receiver damage from set screw?
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 10:22:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/31/2006 10:31:13 PM EDT by operatorerror]
I don't see why you couldn't place a metal or plastic piece in there to protect the aluminum receiver wall.

You do realize that the receiver wall is about a 1/2" thick where the set screw bears, right?
Link Posted: 4/1/2006 6:55:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By operatorerror:
You do realize that the receiver wall is about a 1/2" thick where the set screw bears, right?



That's exactly correct! But let the complainers complain...
Link Posted: 4/1/2006 7:19:26 AM EDT
I'm well aware it shouldn't cause any functional issues, but why would I want to damage my lower simply to look cool when a less-cool looking solution works just as well and doesn't damage the lower? I guess it's just all about looking cool these days.
Link Posted: 4/1/2006 8:10:29 AM EDT
Yeah, okay.

I see it as a much more elegant and innovative solution that was well thought out and executed.

You see it for its ninjaness.

Link Posted: 4/1/2006 9:29:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/1/2006 9:30:14 AM EDT by hawk1]

Originally Posted By wyv3rn:
I'm well aware it shouldn't cause any functional issues, but why would I want to damage my lower simply to look cool when a less-cool looking solution works just as well and doesn't damage the lower? I guess it's just all about looking cool these days.



You are the one that said it will damage your lower not me or the manufacturer. But hey, as they say, "if someone wants to be a fool, get out of the way and let them."
What in the world makes you think that you need to torque this down till it damages something? I'll ask the question for you.

Because it will come loose? Bzzz, wrong again. I could get into rotation based on recoil but I think it will fall on deaf ears...

Link Posted: 4/2/2006 2:45:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/2/2006 2:47:00 PM EDT by jpark4]
my father and i are working on the same exact structure, however, we made a mag release button out of nylon/plastic. Sure it takes some work and time, but it's better than damaging the aluminum button and buying a new one. I'll post pictures once we perfect it.
HERE'S A SAMPLE OF WHAT WE'VE GOT SO FAR
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v462/jonpark/AR15/don008.jpg
-Jon
Link Posted: 4/2/2006 2:50:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Claymore_3:
This set up is pretty neat. I have considered about this way before. But I have some questions.

1) The set screw in the picture looks very tiny. What is the size? What is the size of Allen wrench? What is the tap size?
2) Is there any harder spacer under the mag release button to prevent the receiver damage from set screw?hr

2) you can try and apply some plumber's tape or teflon tape at the tip, rubber, or nylon.
-Jon
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 11:27:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Paul:
I like.

Drill and tap the rather soft aluminum of the magazine release - run a plunge caliper down there to see how deep the hole it - visit Home Depot for the matching hex screw. A dab of lock-tite and you're fixed.

I'll do this and document the procedures for here.



Any updates?
Link Posted: 4/5/2006 4:11:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By leelaw:

Originally Posted By Paul:
I like.

Drill and tap the rather soft aluminum of the magazine release - run a plunge caliper down there to see how deep the hole it - visit Home Depot for the matching hex screw. A dab of lock-tite and you're fixed.

I'll do this and document the procedures for here.



Any updates?



The rain washed Home Depot away.
Link Posted: 4/5/2006 5:58:55 PM EDT
Come on leelaw, pony up and buy one. Don't be cheapskate. You can't do it any better yourself.
Link Posted: 4/5/2006 6:30:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By hawk1:
Come on leelaw, pony up and buy one. Don't be cheapskate. You can't do it any better yourself.



I'm a fan of the home-build/gunsmithing stuff
Link Posted: 4/5/2006 6:56:50 PM EDT
I just finished doing this on my FAL, and that SOB was a mother F'r to tap! Woulda probably been worth 20 bucks to pay someone else to do it. I wonder if the AR one's are that hard
Link Posted: 4/5/2006 7:35:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Blue84S10:
I just finished doing this on my FAL, and that SOB was a mother F'r to tap! Woulda probably been worth 20 bucks to pay someone else to do it. I wonder if the AR one's are that hard



LOL! AR buttons are way soft. The problem might be in finding set screws small enough at the local hardware store.
Link Posted: 4/7/2006 8:34:44 PM EDT
If you can't find small set screws check out your local hobby store. Most of today's RC cars use various size set screws-might even have a choice between standard and metric.
Link Posted: 4/7/2006 10:14:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By operatorerror:

Originally Posted By Blue84S10:
I just finished doing this on my FAL, and that SOB was a mother F'r to tap! Woulda probably been worth 20 bucks to pay someone else to do it. I wonder if the AR one's are that hard



LOL! AR buttons are way soft. The problem might be in finding set screws small enough at the local hardware store.



I found small set screws, but then lengths I could find weren't right. Nothing long enough.
Link Posted: 4/7/2006 10:55:57 PM EDT
Yeah, you need 3/4" length.
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 9:12:04 AM EDT
Gents,


I saw a fellow selling this imaginitve idea at the Ventura Show yeasterday, I ALMOST bought 2 of the kits. What I did not buy was his story, he said he had spoken to Iggy Chin about the Sporting Conversions kit, and that in Chins mind it is not legal. Now we know that at this point in the whole off list lower situation that there are NO DOJ APPROVED ways to pin the mag.
I know what CFC 978.20 says about defining what a detachable magazine is and is not. But to sit there and tell me that Iggy Chin thought this new method was clearly ok, BULL****!!!!.
Darin gets a ++++1 for his idea, and I know the fella was just being a salesman, but do not offend my intelligence. And $25 for each kit seems a bit high. My .02 cents, let the flaming begin.

T44
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