User Panel
Posted: 1/17/2009 2:31:42 AM EST
http://www.azcdl.org/html/news.html
January 16, 2009
Restaurant Carry bills filed. The legislative session got underway on January 12th and interesting bills are already starting to pop-up. Warm up your keyboards and keep an eye on AzCDL’s Legislative page. So far, two Restaurant Carry bills have been filed. SB 1113 permits firearms in certain restaurants if signs are not posted forbidding firearms, and the person possessing the firearm does not consume alcohol. HB 2171 allows firearms in establishments that derive more than 50% of gross revenue from the sale of food. Both bills are a good start and we will attempt to work with the sponsors to improve them. We are expecting some exciting pro-rights legislation to be filed. AzCDL has been working with legislators on proposed changes for the past few months. Among the bills we are anticipating are: - Constitutional Carry (no CCW permit required for law-abiding citizens to carry concealed). - Defensive Display (clarifies when a defensive display of a weapon is justified). - Crediting alternative training (e.g., NRA classes) towards CCW permit training. - Campus Carry (complying with Federal law that allows CCW permit holders to carry on college/university grounds). The above issues, along with other bills we hope to see filed, will be attacked in earnest by the anti-rights crowd. Successful passage of any pro-rights legislation depends on how hard YOU are willing to fight for it. The stage has been set in our favor. The Arizona legislature expanded a pro-rights majority after the 2008 elections. Assuming Governor Napolitano passes muster for her new position in the Obama administration, we will have a new Governor, Jan Brewer, with a solid pro-rights reputation. Are YOU ready to make a difference? I'm not, nor will I ever be an NRA member, but these guys I happily give my money to, and I would suggest every gun owner in AZ do the same. Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day Clyde |
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I am in the same boat. AZCDL is a very proactive group, and gets results!
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... Yes, we need to keep this on the front burner and all eyes focused
If nothing else, join the NRA this year |
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I'm also a member. Everyone who loves LIBERTY (not just firearms) should join AZCDL. At the very least you should sign up for their email action alerts.
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AZCDL LIFE member here.
Resubmitted now that we don't have a Democrat governor to veto it (well, in 2 days). |
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Wow, I really need to get off my ass and join the AZCDL, especially considering Dave is my cousin and he has been asking me to join since he started. Guess I'll have to bring some extra cash when I go to his first CCW class.
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A great group that deserves our support. But your stand on the NRA is absurd, we have to have a national group that's got lobbying power in Washington or the Fed will run roughshod over us. You may not agree with everything they've done, but they're the only ones out there with the power. Witholding your name from their ranks means you're leaving the rest of us to do the work on the national level.
Have a great, AZCDL and NRA members card carrying day. |
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OK guys, I'll bite –––– "AZCDL"....... Would someone care to educate a Bear? Bear |
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A great group that deserves our support. But your stand on the NRA is absurd, we have to have a national group that's got lobbying power in Washington or the Fed will run roughshod over us. You may not agree with everything they've done, but they're the only ones out there with the power. Witholding your name from their ranks means you're leaving the rest of us to do the work on the national level. Have a great, AZCDL and NRA members card carrying day. No, what we can do on a State level is much more important right now. Should we get a 10th amendment Supremacy clause added to our Constitution, the Fed level bullshit won't have an effect, ie. an AW ban. You can argue the virtues of the NRA, I've been around long enough to see them negotiate my rights away. Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day Clyde |
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No, what we can do on a State level is much more important right now. Should we get a 10th amendment Supremacy clause added to our Constitution, the Fed level bullshit won't have an effect, ie. an AW ban. You can argue the virtues of the NRA, I've been around long enough to see them negotiate my rights away. Clyde - Can you explain this "10th amendment supremacy clause"? Also, I refused to join the NRA for many years because of the way I saw them roll over for "reasonable" laws, then called it compromise. That and the way they always seemed to be more interested in the fight, and not winning - cuz the fight brings in money, and winning would dry up the money tree. I've given money to GOA for awhile now, but they don't have the membership rolls that the NRA does. WIth Obama-Jesus' elevation to the presidency I finally decided that argument didn't hold water any more, and gave the NRA some cash. The next step is to let the NRA know that they need to quit focusing on the fighting itself, and start focusing on WINNING the fight. Mike |
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I never realized AZCDL had memberships like the NRA does.
*Goes to investigate... What's the difference between a Basic and a Sustaining membership? |
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No, what we can do on a State level is much more important right now. Should we get a 10th amendment Supremacy clause added to our Constitution, the Fed level bullshit won't have an effect, ie. an AW ban. You can argue the virtues of the NRA, I've been around long enough to see them negotiate my rights away. Clyde - Can you explain this "10th amendment supremacy clause"? Also, I refused to join the NRA for many years because of the way I saw them roll over for "reasonable" laws, then called it compromise. That and the way they always seemed to be more interested in the fight, and not winning - cuz the fight brings in money, and winning would dry up the money tree. I've given money to GOA for awhile now, but they don't have the membership rolls that the NRA does. WIth Obama-Jesus' elevation to the presidency I finally decided that argument didn't hold water any more, and gave the NRA some cash. The next step is to let the NRA know that they need to quit focusing on the fighting itself, and start focusing on WINNING the fight. Mike http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/tenth&elev.htm http://www.reason.com/news/show/117630.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution These should help. Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day Clyde |
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Oh yeah –––– Okinawa-Te rules! (just a good natured jab there Clyde) Bear |
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Quoted: Clyde, whatever you're smoking must be some good shit. You seriously need to put it down and take a hard look at government and how it works today. Read "Constitution in Exile" by Judge Andrew Napalitano for a start. And the NRA is the ONLY reason you have ANY 2nd amendment rights left at all. I'm sorry you can't see that, but it's true. If it wasn't for the NRA you wouldn't even be able to own a black powder rifle. You obviously haven't been around long enough to have figured that out.Quoted: A great group that deserves our support. But your stand on the NRA is absurd, we have to have a national group that's got lobbying power in Washington or the Fed will run roughshod over us. You may not agree with everything they've done, but they're the only ones out there with the power. Witholding your name from their ranks means you're leaving the rest of us to do the work on the national level. Have a great, AZCDL and NRA members card carrying day. No, what we can do on a State level is much more important right now. Should we get a 10th amendment Supremacy clause added to our Constitution, the Fed level bullshit won't have an effect, ie. an AW ban. You can argue the virtues of the NRA, I've been around long enough to see them negotiate my rights away. Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day Clyde |
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Clyde, whatever you're smoking must be some good shit. You seriously need to put it down and take a hard look at government and how it works today. Read "Constitution in Exile" by Judge Andrew Napalitano for a start. And the NRA is the ONLY reason you have ANY 2nd amendment rights left at all. I'm sorry you can't see that, but it's true. If it wasn't for the NRA you wouldn't even be able to own a black powder rifle. You obviously haven't been around long enough to have figured that out.
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A great group that deserves our support. But your stand on the NRA is absurd, we have to have a national group that's got lobbying power in Washington or the Fed will run roughshod over us. You may not agree with everything they've done, but they're the only ones out there with the power. Witholding your name from their ranks means you're leaving the rest of us to do the work on the national level. Have a great, AZCDL and NRA members card carrying day. No, what we can do on a State level is much more important right now. Should we get a 10th amendment Supremacy clause added to our Constitution, the Fed level bullshit won't have an effect, ie. an AW ban. You can argue the virtues of the NRA, I've been around long enough to see them negotiate my rights away. Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day Clyde I know exactly how government works, and doing my part to see it "CHANGE". It seems you've already laid down for them, I haven't. And yes, Napolitano is the shit, the man should be Supreme Court Chief Justice as he is one of the only ones to speak the truth. Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day Clyde |
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A great group that deserves our support. But your stand on the NRA is absurd, we have to have a national group that's got lobbying power in Washington or the Fed will run roughshod over us. You may not agree with everything they've done, but they're the only ones out there with the power. Witholding your name from their ranks means you're leaving the rest of us to do the work on the national level. Have a great, AZCDL and NRA members card carrying day. No, what we can do on a State level is much more important right now. Should we get a 10th amendment Supremacy clause added to our Constitution, the Fed level bullshit won't have an effect, ie. an AW ban. You can argue the virtues of the NRA, I've been around long enough to see them negotiate my rights away. Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day Clyde just out of curiosity, how would the the 10th amendment supremecy clause help us in reality? for example, the people in CA did vote for the legalization of medical marijuana but the feds won't allow it so they shut down their shops randomly, and i thought AZ did too, but that hasn't happend. plus we would be dealing w/ the atf..... no, i don't use marijuan or any illegal substance for that matter or even drink, just using it as an example. i am not trying to be a d!ck and i need to join azcdl as i belong to a couple other groups and i definitely believe in what the azcdl stands for, but just trying to understand this because if there was another ban (or since i have read the whitehouse website as of today, and there will be) how would be not be under federal rule? please educate me on this as i may be getting something mixed up |
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I never realized AZCDL had memberships like the NRA does. *Goes to investigate... What's the difference between a Basic and a Sustaining membership? +1 |
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A great group that deserves our support. But your stand on the NRA is absurd, we have to have a national group that's got lobbying power in Washington or the Fed will run roughshod over us. You may not agree with everything they've done, but they're the only ones out there with the power. Witholding your name from their ranks means you're leaving the rest of us to do the work on the national level. Have a great, AZCDL and NRA members card carrying day. No, what we can do on a State level is much more important right now. Should we get a 10th amendment Supremacy clause added to our Constitution, the Fed level bullshit won't have an effect, ie. an AW ban. You can argue the virtues of the NRA, I've been around long enough to see them negotiate my rights away. Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day Clyde just out of curiosity, how would the the 10th amendment supremecy clause help us in reality? for example, the people in CA did vote for the legalization of medical marijuana but the feds won't allow it so they shut down their shops randomly, and i thought AZ did too, but that hasn't happend. plus we would be dealing w/ the atf..... no, i don't use marijuan or any illegal substance for that matter or even drink, just using it as an example. i am not trying to be a d!ck and i need to join azcdl as i belong to a couple other groups and i definitely believe in what the azcdl stands for, but just trying to understand this because if there was another ban (or since i have read the whitehouse website as of today, and there will be) how would be not be under federal rule? please educate me on this as i may be getting something mixed up See my post above with the links embedded. Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day Clyde |
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I never realized AZCDL had memberships like the NRA does. *Goes to investigate... What's the difference between a Basic and a Sustaining membership? +1 you get a tshirt |
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I know exactly how government works, and doing my part to see it "CHANGE". It seems you've already laid down for them, I haven't. And yes, Napolitano is the shit, the man should be Supreme Court Chief Justice as he is one of the only ones to speak the truth. Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day Clyde When the going gets tough, Clyde runs away. |
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I know exactly how government works, and doing my part to see it "CHANGE". It seems you've already laid down for them, I haven't. And yes, Napolitano is the shit, the man should be Supreme Court Chief Justice as he is one of the only ones to speak the truth. Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day Clyde When the going gets tough, Clyde runs away. Oh, you must be one of the Calguns pukes ( I notice you don't list your location, are you embarassed about it?) who stays in that shithole state pretending to fight for your rights. Well, I'm here to tell you, you won't win there, and I left because we have a chance here. The sooner you realize CA is a lost cause, the easier it is to fight from a safer vantage point, hence my move to AZ. You CA guys really think you have something with NRFs and OLLs, but you'll never see SHALL ISSUE, NFA items, Unsafe firearms, or anything else most of us in the free states get to enjoy, and working on more in our state legislature who work for us, not against. Yea, I ran away, it was the best thing to do under the circumstances, and I have never been remorseful of my decision to do so. Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day Clyde |
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I know exactly how government works, and doing my part to see it "CHANGE". It seems you've already laid down for them, I haven't. And yes, Napolitano is the shit, the man should be Supreme Court Chief Justice as he is one of the only ones to speak the truth. Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day Clyde When the going gets tough, Clyde runs away. Oh, you must be one of the Calguns pukes ( I notice you don't list your location, are you embarassed about it?) who stays in that shithole state pretending to fight for your rights. Well, I'm here to tell you, you won't win there, and I left because we have a chance here. The sooner you realize CA is a lost cause, the easier it is to fight from a safer vantage point, hence my move to AZ. You CA guys really think you have something with NRFs and OLLs, but you'll never see SHALL ISSUE, NFA items, Unsafe firearms, or anything else most of us in the free states get to enjoy, and working on more in our state legislature who work for us, not against. Yea, I ran away, it was the best thing to do under the circumstances, and I have never been remorseful of my decision to do so. Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day Clyde Coward, you've shown you don't have the will to fight, where will you run when things don't go your way there? You say some have laid down but you haven't. You haven't laid down because you're to busy running away from the fight. |
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I know exactly how government works, and doing my part to see it "CHANGE". It seems you've already laid down for them, I haven't. And yes, Napolitano is the shit, the man should be Supreme Court Chief Justice as he is one of the only ones to speak the truth. Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day Clyde When the going gets tough, Clyde runs away. Oh, you must be one of the Calguns pukes ( I notice you don't list your location, are you embarassed about it?) who stays in that shithole state pretending to fight for your rights. Well, I'm here to tell you, you won't win there, and I left because we have a chance here. The sooner you realize CA is a lost cause, the easier it is to fight from a safer vantage point, hence my move to AZ. You CA guys really think you have something with NRFs and OLLs, but you'll never see SHALL ISSUE, NFA items, Unsafe firearms, or anything else most of us in the free states get to enjoy, and working on more in our state legislature who work for us, not against. Yea, I ran away, it was the best thing to do under the circumstances, and I have never been remorseful of my decision to do so. Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day Clyde Coward, you've shown you don't have the will to fight, where will you run when things don't go your way there? You say some have laid down but you haven't. You haven't laid down because you're to busy running away from the fight. Yea, you just keep in your Pelosi, Feinswine, Boxer utopia, see where it gets you, if not in jail for simply owning a gun. Clyde |
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I know exactly how government works, and doing my part to see it "CHANGE". It seems you've already laid down for them, I haven't. And yes, Napolitano is the shit, the man should be Supreme Court Chief Justice as he is one of the only ones to speak the truth. Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day Clyde When the going gets tough, Clyde runs away. Oh, you must be one of the Calguns pukes ( I notice you don't list your location, are you embarassed about it?) who stays in that shithole state pretending to fight for your rights. Well, I'm here to tell you, you won't win there, and I left because we have a chance here. The sooner you realize CA is a lost cause, the easier it is to fight from a safer vantage point, hence my move to AZ. You CA guys really think you have something with NRFs and OLLs, but you'll never see SHALL ISSUE, NFA items, Unsafe firearms, or anything else most of us in the free states get to enjoy, and working on more in our state legislature who work for us, not against. Yea, I ran away, it was the best thing to do under the circumstances, and I have never been remorseful of my decision to do so. Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day Clyde Coward, you've shown you don't have the will to fight, where will you run when things don't go your way there? You say some have laid down but you haven't. You haven't laid down because you're to busy running away from the fight. Yea, you just keep in your Pelosi, Feinswine, Boxer utopia, see where it gets you, if not in jail for simply owning a gun. Clyde Go slink off with your tail between your legs again, Clyde. |
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Wow, this thread has gone to shit. IBTL Bear I don't know either individual, but it looks like Clyde picked up his own personal troll.[>:/] AzCDL member here, hope to be lifer soon. If CA breaks off and falls into the ocean, I'll have beachfront property. IBTL |
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