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Posted: 6/18/2014 2:31:42 PM EDT
Chief has signed my forms and I got my fingerprints taken as well, so I brought my lower to reputable gun store for engraving. But they do not want to engrave it for me because according to them if I am not approved then it would be illegal for altering the firearm. I never heard of this and I don't believe that it's the case at all ... what the heck!?
Ohh, they also told me that I cannot abbreviate my name (e.g. J. Smith), it has to be exact on the form. Really!? 
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Posted: 6/18/2014 2:45:14 PM EDT
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you have to get it engraved after your approved. Some will ask to see your tax stamp before engraving.
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Posted: 6/18/2014 3:23:45 PM EDT
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you have to get it engraved after your approved. Some will ask to see your tax stamp before engraving. Not true with every engraver, but it's the best way to go in case there's a problem. In the past, I've had stuff engraved before I got the form, but I wouldn't necessarily recommend it (I engraved something, then changed my mind and didn't end up completing the ATF app). |
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Posted: 6/18/2014 3:45:43 PM EDT
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Play it safe. When you have the stamp, then have it done.
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Posted: 6/18/2014 5:47:38 PM EDT
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Chief has signed my forms and I got my fingerprints taken as well, so I brought my lower to reputable gun store for engraving. But they do not want to engrave it for me because according to them if I am not approved then it would be illegal for altering the firearm. I never heard of this and I don't believe that it's the case at all ... what the heck!? Ohh, they also told me that I cannot abbreviate my name (e.g. J. Smith), it has to be exact on the form. Really!?
A couple things: I'm assuming this is JoJo's....and if so yea they wont touch it until you have your stamp in hand. But, that is certainly not true about altering the firearm. You can have anything you want engraved on an AR receiver, and obviously your name and address. Its their store their rules, but I'd really like to know the real reason why they dont want to do it in advance, seeing as the reason they give is not true.... As far as your name....it has to be EXACTLY as it appears on your Form. There is no question about this. You do have another option though.....send it to one of the engravers outside of CT. They'll do it whenever. I cant think of the companies names though, there are a few good ones, with quick turnaround times. |
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Posted: 6/18/2014 6:45:12 PM EDT
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The concern with engraving beforehand is that if the ATF makes you correct some form errors (i.e. forgot to include "the" in your trust name), you're up a creek.
The concern with engraving afterwards is that if that lower gets losts by the shipper, you've lost a very expensive lower. I've used Gray Laser a number of times with great results. The guy is good on comms and doesn't make you wait weeks or months. My guess with the JoJo's policy is that once you have your stamp they know EXACTLY what to engrave, in case the customer isn't a detailed oriented guy or precise in his understanding of NFA laws ("The ATF said it was OK to abbreviate my trust name, I swear.") |
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Posted: 6/18/2014 8:41:12 PM EDT
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Thank you for your responses guys!
I don't mind to have it engrave before or after and I want to play safe. But is it really illegal to engrave your lower? What is it different if I want to engrave my name or a logo or heck a zombie since it's still a regular lower? |
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Posted: 6/19/2014 12:57:39 AM EDT
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You can do it yourself. There are laws on how deep and stuff like that. It must be exactly like your paperwork.
SBR Joe blow trust Bristol CT.... |
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Posted: 6/19/2014 4:16:34 AM EDT
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I don't mind to have it engrave before or after and I want to play safe. But is it really illegal to engrave your lower? What is it different if I want to engrave my name or a logo or heck a zombie since it's still a regular lower? Just a guess here, but I suspect you can engrave whatever you want as long as you don't remove or augment the relevant manufacturer info and serial number. |
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Posted: 6/19/2014 4:24:54 AM EDT
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You can do it yourself. There are laws on how deep and stuff like that. It must be exactly like your paperwork. SBR (not necessary) Joe blow trust Bristol CT.... Engrave the following: NAME EXACTLY AS IT APPEARS ON FORM 1 (no abbreviations) CITY, State (State abbreviations OK) ATF Guidelines: ATF 5300.4 in 27 CFR 479.102 (page 92) For firearms manufactured, imported, or made on and after January 30, 2002, the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of the serial number must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch and in a print size no smaller than 1/16 inch Some people feel that laser etching is good enough because you made the effort to comply. Others feel that you need to get the .003" depth. |
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Posted: 6/19/2014 4:39:41 AM EDT
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^^^ I don't believe the font height minimum applies to SBR engravings.
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Posted: 6/19/2014 6:17:15 AM EDT
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You could decoratively engrave your firearms all day long without ATF approval so why would engraving your name and address need ATF approval ???????
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Posted: 6/19/2014 6:37:19 AM EDT
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You could decoratively engrave your firearms all day long without ATF approval so why would engraving your name and address need ATF approval ??????? Exactly. |
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Posted: 6/19/2014 6:39:40 AM EDT
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^^^ I don't believe the font height minimum applies to SBR engravings. I don't believe any of it applies, just posting the regs for manufacturers and makers. |
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Posted: 6/19/2014 12:30:47 PM EDT
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Check out "Engrave your gift" in New Britain.....the guy has a pretty nice laser set-up, I called him up, drove over to his place and he engraved it while i waited...it was a lot cheaper that sending it out to Ident Marking, and it came out great.
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Posted: 6/19/2014 4:02:11 PM EDT
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Check out "Engrave your gift" in New Britain.....the guy has a pretty nice laser set-up, I called him up, drove over to his place and he engraved it while i waited...it was a lot cheaper that sending it out to Ident Marking, and it came out great. Winner I went here also He used to be a gunsmith at a custom barrel shop $17 30 minutes while i waited |
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Posted: 6/20/2014 3:20:22 AM EDT
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Winner I went here also He used to be a gunsmith at a custom barrel shop $17 30 minutes while i waited Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Check out "Engrave your gift" in New Britain.....the guy has a pretty nice laser set-up, I called him up, drove over to his place and he engraved it while i waited...it was a lot cheaper that sending it out to Ident Marking, and it came out great. Winner I went here also He used to be a gunsmith at a custom barrel shop $17 30 minutes while i waited I'll have to give him a shot. |
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